Red Solo Cup (OM blog): Houston Nutt will not be croomed.
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not the team who always plays MState directly in between its 2 biggest rivals. And he will have a little bigger competition for recruits than what Arkansas State University was able to provide while he was at UPig. I'm not too worried.
....is primarily due to the fact that he always plays us between our two biggest games of the year. The egg bowl will continue to roughly alternate.
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I don't think Nutt will have any more success than any other coach at Ole Miss has had against MSU. It'll probably be close to .500 one way or the other. I doubt it'll be domination either way.
Anyway, to respond to your post, you also have to consider that Arkansas isn't a hot bed for D-1 talent. Yes, Arkansas was the only show in town, but it's not a state that's loaded with talent. It's a lot like the state of Tennessee. Even though UT can and does have its pick over in state guys, they still have to recruit a large percentage of their talent from other states if they hope to compete. Arkansas is in the same boat. You can't win at Arkansas with just Arkansas talent. You have to go out of state if you hope to compete at the highest level.
Mississippi has more competition as a state, but it also has more talent. Granted, the down side of Mississippi is that so few of the prospects have grades, which becomes an equalizer. Either way, I think he'll be in the same boat he was at Arkansas. He had to go out of state a decent amount to put together a winner at Arkansas. He'll have to go out of state a decent amount to put together a winner at Ole Miss.
he was also able to get Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, and Matt Jones without fear that someone like Bama or LSU will swoop in and snap them up. Their players want to play for Arkansas for the most part.
When we have lost and were competitive, that was the difference every time- Arkansas had a player like Matt Jones or McFadden that we couldn't stop.</p>
When we have lost and were competitive, that was the difference every time- Arkansas had a player like Matt Jones or McFadden that we couldn't stop.</p>
Todd4State said:
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Felix Jones was from Oklahoma. The other two were from Arkansas, but if you look back at his recruiting, he did a lot of recruiting out of state, and a good number of his top rated players were out of state guys. It's just not possible to win while relying only on in state talent in Arkansas.
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and he probably will continue to do that. Nutt sort of has the same philosophy as Croom, he goes out and gets humble players that will play their heart out for him. And he can't deal with the primadonnas well. Nutt's just got more experience, but Croom is learning.
Croom should have beaten Nutt in 2004, if it weren't for the refs (I know, sounds sheepish, but it's true). Croom didn't have our guys ready in 2005 and got slaughtered. The last two years though we did OK against them, but couldn't stop the RBs.
Croom should have beaten Nutt in 2004, if it weren't for the refs (I know, sounds sheepish, but it's true). Croom didn't have our guys ready in 2005 and got slaughtered. The last two years though we did OK against them, but couldn't stop the RBs.
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is primarily due to the fact that he played us 6 times when we won 3 games or fewer. He beat us in Ark in 99 and 07 as he probably should've. I'll give him credit where its due, he came in and shut us down in 2000 in the sleet.
Hell, Saban had about the same record against us at LSU and we beat him in year 1.
Its less about Houston Nutt and more about our suckitude.
Hell, Saban had about the same record against us at LSU and we beat him in year 1.
Its less about Houston Nutt and more about our suckitude.
skydawg1 said:
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Yea, and they all just magically fell into his lap. Isn't Urban Meyer fortunate that Tim Tebow just so happened to come along and fall into his lap for his tenure at Florida. And that Pete Carroll sure was lucky to have Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Carson Palmer, etc., etc., etc. just so happen to come along under his watch.
What about Texas and Vince Young? Boy that Mack Brown was lucky.
That's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. In the pros, maybe, but in college, the head coach is the primary person responsible for bringing in his players. If he brings in great players, and his great players win games for him, he gets the credit for it.
That'd be like saying that Croom was lucky that Derek Pegues, Anthony Dixon, Titus Brown, and Anthony Johnson just so happened to come along during his tenure. Without them, he wouldn't have won anything last year.
Croom should have beaten Nutt in 2004, if it weren't for the refs <span style="font-weight: bold;">and/or Chris McNeil</span> (I know, sounds sheepish, but it's true). Croom didn't have our guys ready in 2005 and got slaughtered. The last two years though we did OK against them, but couldn't stop the RBs.
Sooner or later, it's more than coincidence. The guy can recruit.
That's like saying if Les Miles didn't win the BCS game, he would not have won the national championship.
That's like saying if Les Miles didn't win the BCS game, he would not have won the national championship.
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everybody gets a few good players, dude. He recruited them. If you want to say that the real two once in a lifetime recruits (M. Jones and McFadden) were lucky enough to be in Arkansas, then it's different. F. Jones and Monk were not once in a lifetime recruits.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Nutt is a good recruiter either though. He's lost some good Arkansas players over the years.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Nutt is a good recruiter either though. He's lost some good Arkansas players over the years.
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Actually, stopping the RBs is about the ONLY thing we did against upig the past two years. McFadden ran all over us as a freshman, but never even came close to having a good game against us after that. Of course, our secondary nutted up and made sure that we lost after getting them one-dimensional...
And, yes. 2004 was a *%*@$%! sham. As was 1999. 2001 was a remarkable comeback by us, only to be foiled by JLD and his ole` brand of defense. We are NEVER emotionally fired up for this game and never will be.... until Crooms came to town, JWS and his less-than-even keel teams were almost always one play away from beating a fired up upig team every time. Thankfully, the master motivator is in Oxford now, where his motivational skills won't matter in the Egg Bowl.
The recruiting of in-state talent in the state of Arkansas vs Mississippi could not be more different. Nearly all kids that grow up in Arkansas grow up Razorback fans. No in-state rival. No SEC or Big 12 rival within two hours of their recruiting hot bed...Little Rock. It is pretty much going from a perfect recruiting enviroment to the worst case senerio (as far as keeping in-state talent).
If Jackson, MS produced the likes of Cobbs and McFadden with in 5 years. I would be amazed if both went to the same in-state school. I would be amazed if both even stayed in-state period.
Nutt is a good coach. Make no mistake about it. However, his job will be much more difficult at OM than it was at UPig. He won't have as much talent year in and out and he won't have the advantage of catching us on a rival game hang over or looking forward to a rival. Also, his rival will be Arkansas. I don't care what he says. His whole mission at OM will be to beat them. </p>
If Jackson, MS produced the likes of Cobbs and McFadden with in 5 years. I would be amazed if both went to the same in-state school. I would be amazed if both even stayed in-state period.
Nutt is a good coach. Make no mistake about it. However, his job will be much more difficult at OM than it was at UPig. He won't have as much talent year in and out and he won't have the advantage of catching us on a rival game hang over or looking forward to a rival. Also, his rival will be Arkansas. I don't care what he says. His whole mission at OM will be to beat them. </p>
and the Arkansas fans have gotten wind that someone is talking positively about their ex-head coach.
Razorback fans...e-swarm!!!!
Call me grounded in mediocrity, I just don't understand all the vitriol.
Razorback fans...e-swarm!!!!
Call me grounded in mediocrity, I just don't understand all the vitriol.