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1972 – The greatest individual season ever.
Carlton went on to claim the pitching Triple Crown, leading the league in ERA, Wins, and Strikeouts. In fact, Carlton's 27 wins made up over 45% of the Phillies win total in 1972, which was a record for an individual pitcher.
Amazing accomplishments plus I think he threw about 350 innings, twice what a current day pitcher would throw. Thanks for the details.
I'm not much into trashing Bell.
His pitching staff is what, 27th in MLB, and his team leads a division?
His wallet is not the source of trades and quality.
Does winning games 11-10, and 11-7 remind any other middle aged fans of the BRM?
If the Reds magically could find an iron-man middle reliever like Pedro Borbon, and keep the closer rolling, they'd be a tough out.
Sure, Pedro put a Voodoo curse on the Reds when they traded him in '79, but revoked it in time for the 1990 series.
His pitching staff is what, 27th in MLB, and his team leads a division?
His wallet is not the source of trades and quality.
Does winning games 11-10, and 11-7 remind any other middle aged fans of the BRM?
If the Reds magically could find an iron-man middle reliever like Pedro Borbon, and keep the closer rolling, they'd be a tough out.
Sure, Pedro put a Voodoo curse on the Reds when they traded him in '79, but revoked it in time for the 1990 series.
Lorenzen & Chapman are who I want as far as rentals that in theory wouldn't cost the farm and bring a sense of familiarity to the organization. Recent comments by Krall around the trade market and seemingly every organization from the Dodgers, Yankees, Brewers or our Reds across the board having injuries to their SP rotations. The typical innings eater 4-5 guy, the asking price seems to be outrageous. Hopefully Krall can figure something out to help this team without having to part with the future of this organization in the pipeline.
If not, at least the Reds have some starters in the minors with Phillips & Richardson who they should strongly consider calling up. Need Alec Mills to be in the ballpark of what Ben Lively was giving the Reds before the injury.
If not, at least the Reds have some starters in the minors with Phillips & Richardson who they should strongly consider calling up. Need Alec Mills to be in the ballpark of what Ben Lively was giving the Reds before the injury.
Think if I were Krall I'd be cautious about jumping into trade IF I knew I'd be getting Greene/Lodolo back in Aug. If that isn't likely I might move to barter.
The optimistic side would be to expect them back on August 1st with a week off for the All-Star Break. No telling if it is mid to late August yet. Krall is being cautious per that article I posted yesterday. Those names are just merely suggestions of people I'd like to see added and see no reason why some of the infield prospects in the 15-50 range in the organization that have a slight chance at making it to Cincinnati can't be moved due to the names ahead of them. Bullpen needs an extra arm, not another minor league journeyman. Chapman fits the bill and so does Lorenzen if he assumed a similar role to what he had before in Cincinnati if not in the rotation first.
Might add, you don't know what you're going to get from Lodolo whenever he returns. Same for the relievers Santillan and Antone. Neither Lodolo or Greene are going to be at full strength immediately. Can't expect this rotation, bullpen and offense to continue to bail them out the rest of the way, stay afloat through the end of September without riding hard the ones left risking them to get injured and fatigue. It will be too late to make any decisions outside of the organization waiting to see what the injured pitchers can give you once the deadline has past. Can always go within the organization for the prospects but there is also the chance they struggle like Ashcraft, Lodolo & Greene have at times than take off like Abbott has. It's not an easy decision but don't see how they can survive without making one move.
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I keep going back and forth on what the Reds should do based on how the season has progressed. Not that I have any say in it. Injuries have put them in a bind and it's just not sustainable to keep this run going unless players start to come back healthy, effective or make a move for 1 pitcher just to stabilize things.
Hoping Alec Mills is somewhere in the range of what he was with the Cubs from 2018-20. Might weather the storm for a little while but that's it. It is concerning that Greene is having to do a core strengthening routine at this stage and only poses the question what kind of training regiment is going behind the scenes with all of these injuries mounting up.
Still, like I said you can check in with Mad Bum and not have to give up any prospects and see if he has any interest. No one expects or need him to be in his prime. Just eat some innings and mentor the young starters. To dave's point, calling up one of these young starters soon would give you a feel what they might bring to the organization and still allow you the time to make a move if they aren't ready.
Hoping Alec Mills is somewhere in the range of what he was with the Cubs from 2018-20. Might weather the storm for a little while but that's it. It is concerning that Greene is having to do a core strengthening routine at this stage and only poses the question what kind of training regiment is going behind the scenes with all of these injuries mounting up.
Still, like I said you can check in with Mad Bum and not have to give up any prospects and see if he has any interest. No one expects or need him to be in his prime. Just eat some innings and mentor the young starters. To dave's point, calling up one of these young starters soon would give you a feel what they might bring to the organization and still allow you the time to make a move if they aren't ready.
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Make a move if you're going to try and win this year and you will only get in return for what you are willing to give. Or stay the course and risk coming up short due to youth coming into play, the injuries piling up and shoot for a run 2024 keeping a full deck with the prospects still in the organization. We've heard both sides of the story from Krall saying the Reds have flexibility and willing to be buyers to win this year about a month ago. Then what you posted yesterday with reality setting in what the market is really like currently. Paying a premium for guys that likely aren't going to be a difference maker, just temporarily stop the bleeding.
Kennedy may get a shot at the Reds rotation before too long during this injury plagued season. He is having a solid year for the Bats, possibly another Lively. Not outstanding this year but of the pitchers in Louisville that haven't been called up yet he is one. Has brief experience with San Diego though it did not go too well.
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What a terrible start for Ashcraft!! 6 2/3 innings of 1 run baseball.
Stephenson. Boom!
Ashcraft with his control back tonight minus his last 2 batters. Good news for the Reds pitching staff.
Ashcraft with his control back tonight minus his last 2 batters. Good news for the Reds pitching staff.
Rangers beat everyone to the punch for Chapman. Gave up 2 prospects, only one in their Top 50 rated at #25.
Diaz and Gibaut have been flirting with disaster for weeks it seems. Finally crashing.
They need a fresh arm in there for sure. Law & Santillan can't come back soon enough. Sounds like Derek should be back soon. Gone quiet on Santillan, thought he was getting close.
Literally nothing else he could do unless they wanted him to barrel straight through Sanchez
I don't fault him for going for it. Glad it all worked out in the end with Steer. EDLC's speed is going to win many games for this team and already has with the comeback win vs the Braves with the cycle.
It's crazy how all 3 of Steer, McLain & EDLC all going to have a say at once pushing each other and a fight to the end for the NL Rookie of the Year. Just hope it isn't Bryce Elder in the end. GO REDS
No doubt and Andrew Abbott could still have enough starts keeping up at this pace. CES likely won't have the number of At-Bats to factor in if he were called up today but will still give the offense a huge boost whenever he does come around.
For sure, can't forget Abbott and how he is keeping this rotation afloat right now. If this is a turning point for Ashcraft with Abbott then it only makes the rotation stronger whenever Greene & Lodolo get back to full strength. Hopefully Lodolo returns effective like he did last season after a lengthy injury. Then you still have Williamson and starting to believe we may actually see Phillips this season. Has to debut before September to be eligible for the postseason.
McLain should get plenty of ROY votes tbh. Steer gets my vote on this team right now but its hard to choose a winner.
These Reds have got me hooked. I can't stop listening to the post-game show on WLW. I should be out hammering beers.
At least people are getting what they want with EDLC at SS, McLain at 2B and India off the field. Would flip India & Steer in the lineup, drop Votto 1 and put India 6th. In no way do I recommend taking India out of the lineup. Would destroy his trade stock completely making him look less valuable and he is still the team leader whether people like it or not.
Mills in relief in the 7th, thought he would be in the SP rotation mix. Tuesday's game still TBD.
Reds bullpen is really paying the price lately from being overworked. The irony is the last 2 starters, Ashcraft and Williamson, have finally given them what they need. Quality starts.