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If it’s a foul during the play that’s not a personal foul it shouldn’t be enforced on the Kick. The result of the play is the TD unless it’s a continuing action foul - after the play etc.
If the PI was enforced on the KO that shouldn’t have happened because you can’t take the penalty and the play.
If the PI was enforced on the KO that shouldn’t have happened because you can’t take the penalty and the play.
In NFHS football any foul on the defense during a scoring play can be accessed on the try or the succeeding KO and the score is good.
Geez that sucks. Where do I sign up to protest and change that rule to be more on line with college and pro rules. That makes no sense when it's PI but a TD Anyways.
Another ref Q. Line of scrimmage is 35. Receiver steps out of bounds on his own. Catches the ball inbounds at the 50. Is pushed out of bounds at the opponents 35 by the db. Flag is thrown near the 50 at the time of the reception.
What should the penalty be, and how should it have been assessed?
What should the penalty be, and how should it have been assessed?
If you find the place to sign up for rule changes please let me know. I have quite a few I would like see changed. LOL
Just to elaborate the penalty is because he went OOB on his own AND was the 1st to touch the ball. He can still participate in said live ball play he just cant be the 1st to touch the ball.
not correct in high school. It is a foul if the player comes back in and participates at all
Youre right on a pass play A can NOT return and participate. I was thinking a scrimmage kick. Good catch!
Reading Rule 9.6.1 - Prior to a change of possession, or when there is no change of possession, no player of A or K shall go OOB and return to the field during the down unless blocked OOB by an opponent.
If you have a change of possession after he went OOB he then can return and participate.
On a kick with change of possession and K went OOB and returned to make a tackle. Legal
Correct interpretation?
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Thank you. I thought that that was the correct assessment of the penalty. I saw a similar instance in a game where the officials marked off the penalty from where the receiver was pushed out of bounds. Fortunately it had no impact on the game and I was left confused.
If a coach on the sidelines sees an incorrect penalty assessment how would he properly go about bringing that to the attention of the officials without getting a 15 yard unsportsmanlike call?
I never played, coached, or officiated. I am just a fan who enjoys this forum.
Its only illegal if he goes OOB on his own and returns and participates. If he is blocked OOB and returns at his 1st opportunity he can participate and its legal.
Reading Rule 9.6.1 - Prior to a change of possession, or when there is no change of possession, no player of A or K shall go OOB and return to the field during the down unless blocked OOB by an opponent. If a player is blocked OOB by an opponent and returns to the field during the down, he shall return at his first opportunity.
Usually if a coach has a question on rule interpretation it will be granted and an officials TO will be called to get it straightened out and explain.
Do you get the NFHS survey at the end of the season? I'm fairly certain you're able to write comments about certain rules - but that may just be the yearly changes.
I'll throw one out there that I'd like to see: unless the foul occurred in the end zone, I'd like to see DPI enforced as a spot foul when the ball in snapped at or inside B's 17 yard line. If the foul occurs in the end zone when the ball is at/inside b's 17, the ball will be placed at the 2 yard line.
To add: on the odd occasion that the DPI happens at the 1 yard line, you would still put the ball at the 2 yard line.
To add: on the odd occasion that the DPI happens at the 1 yard line, you would still put the ball at the 2 yard line.
DPI should be administered like college.
Why NFHS teams don't intentionally commit DPI in the end zone late in the game is beyond me. It not being an automatic first down is crazy.
I also don't really understand why teams with decent FG kickers in high school don't try longer field goals. Ball is dead in the end zone so returns are not as likely.
This is assuming you have good blocking up front and a good kicker
Kid from Providence should try a field goal every time they get inside the 40.
This is assuming you have good blocking up front and a good kicker
Kid from Providence should try a field goal every time they get inside the 40.
I fill them out every year in three sports, football, basketball and baseball. I have been putting down getting rid of the stupid hybrid pitching stance in high school baseball since it started. Yet still every year they want that stupid thing called
Maybe one year ..........................
Rule 6.5.6 - isnt specific on "exact space" but states when a kick is in flight K shall NOT :
a. Touch the ball or R (unless blocked into the ball or R, or to ward off a blocker.
b. Obstruct Rs path to the ball
This prohibition applies on both a fair catch and no fair catch to avoid kick catching interference.
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From what I've seen that is the norm rather than the exception.... many times they confuse pro rules with college and high school roles
True but also have seen plenty of refs this year who should be volunteers also.... some who even seem to think a dropped shovel pass is a fumble rather than an incomplete pass....
http://ihsa.org/Officials/HowtoBecomeaLicensedOfficial.aspx
You're welcome to come join us. Breaks down to about $13/hr(travel, pregame, game), but its better than volunteering, or criticizing on a message board.
We actually had a varsity ref crew give the team the ball at the 35 years back after attempting a long field goal that went through the end zone. They apologized to us at half for their screw up.
Love refs who can't take any criticism... comes with the job and you chose to do it.... cry me a river! If I chose to do it, I would expect and understand the heat that comes with it... just part of the gig. All I am saying is if you are going to choose to do it, be sure to put enough effort into it to be at least respectable at it and know some basics.
It's one thing to miss a call cuz you didn't see it or decide it's too borderline and err on the side of no penalty.... can't disagree with that stuff... my beef is seeing it, and not ruling correctly cuz of ignorance to the rule... don't make me dredge up fenwick from last year, please!
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Just an invite and some information. Love posters who get their panties in a bunch over nothing. Responses to your commentary comes with the job of being an internet troll.
My comments were simple, valid, and not personal.... hardly troll worthy... you're the one with parties in a wad! You're like my fellow Hawkeye fans I can't stand who think if you criticize the coach or team you aren't a real fan and should find a new team to support... ridiculous mindset... everybody is too damn sensitive. And an official sure as heck shouldn't be.
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Likening me to a hawkeye fan is the greatest offense I have taken in this interaction. Never said you couldn't criticize, just wanted to invite you to try it before you gave your opinion. Don't confuse a response with being sensitive. If you want to grace us with your deep insights then be OK with a response. Officials cant respond now? We just have to listen/read your opinions/comments? You're like the idiot fan I have listen to for 2 quarters and then gets all frumpy when I give a smart @ss response back. Have a little fun with the back and forth
My frumpiness was only in reference to your claim that I was being an internet troll which implied I couldn't have an opinion without being a troll... I certainly don't mind banter and argument... but to dismiss any critique as coming from a troll is hardly that.
I love it when I see a kid on the field chatting it up with a Ref at end of quarter, going into halftime etc. I’m always wondering - what’s being said? Is the kid trying to put the silk gloves on the Ref? asking the Ref to watch for something? Talking about what position the Ref played back in the day? Latest episode of Game of Thrones?
LOL all of the above. I try to talk to them as much as I can. So many of em are so nervous early that just cracking some jokes and talking loosens em up. That and I think too often we are viewed as the "bad guys". Most of us are just out there because we love football and its fun, the kids should see that. Maybe that translates to 1 kid/yr trying to ref when he's done, which we desperately need
As a former ref, I always thought that talking with the kids was the most rewarding part of the job. It was a lot more fun than talking to coaches, who are sometimes less familiar with the rules than the fans, and chatting with hypersensitive trolls on the internet. It's a difficult job at times...thanks for being out there! And I can't believe someone would compare you to a hawkeye fan. What's up with that?
I hate the fact that defensive pass interference is no longer an automatic first down.
Agreed - but the refs can’t help that. If I’m a coach in goal line inside the 5. I tell my DBs if there is any doubt - mug the WR in the endzone!! It will only cost us a yard or max 2 yards and they lose the down!!
Repeat the down - but I’m still mugging the WRs in the endzone if it’s even close. Doesn’t cost you much yardage and no auto first down. Minimal penalty for the D in that situation!!