Referee - Chop Block Question
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That had to be the dumbest call ive seen all year and when the kid asked the red what was the call he couldn't even explain it.
Probably wasn't a chop block, but rather a block below the waist by the defense. It was probably:
a. done by a defender not in the free blocking zone at the snap.
b. done to an offensive player not in the free blocking zone at the snap.
c. when the ball was outside of the free blocking zone.
a. done by a defender not in the free blocking zone at the snap.
b. done to an offensive player not in the free blocking zone at the snap.
c. when the ball was outside of the free blocking zone.
Nobody can go low unless they are in the free blocking zone at the snap and the ball is still in the free blocking zone.
The free blocking zone is 4 yards on either side of the ball, and 3 yards behind and beyond the LOS. Once the ball is out of that zone, the zone is no more and there can be no blocks below the waist.
Thanks much sirs - not used to seeing a defensive player called for a block. Dino's comment raises a question - while presumably not obligated, what is your response to a player that questions what infraction they committed, if asked in a respectful manner? I wonder at times when i see players and refs chatting between plays, if that is what is going on, or just general game banter. My playing days are many years in the past and don't recall having many conversations with referees. But that may be more a function that my transgressions were of the obvious sort...
The DE was in the process of making the tackle which he dove for the RB but in the process the tackle was in the way sort is speak and the tackle got tripped up while the DE still happened to trip up the the back it's the best way I can explain it
If he asks in a respectful manner, he will get an answer. He just might not know what he did wrong. A little education can go along way with making the game go smoother
Couldn't agree more with this. My pet peeve is the insistence of how quickly the players sometime want to know what the penalty was, and who it was on. Same goes for the coaches, and even more so when I'm not the one to throw the flag.
That's what it sounds like to me and I'm the first to say I don't know all the rules but this play was a head scratcher.the player asked the ref so what am I supposed to do let the back go by me and me not make the tackle becuase an Olinemen is I front of me lol!
Seems to me the simple explanation would have been to tell the player that you can't go low in that situation.
still a lot of confusion on what is "that" situation. In what situation can a defender NOT go low to make a tackle? which I have never heard of before in 45 years of following football.
Should change that to, "have never heard of before in 45 years in a day." The question was concerning blocking, not tackling.
Why is the criticism towards a ref trying to show off, and not two quarterfinals teams committing those penalties?
I just mean to say, if they missed that call once then maybe we'd get posts such as what I read about games in Woodstock. If they missed both it'd be, 'How could the IHSA assign refs to a game like this if they are going to miss calls?' In this case, we have what apparently was the right call, applied to both teams, and the ref is being accused of hot dogging?
C'mon man....
C'mon man....
Made up call? That is ridiculous and that did not happen. Seems to me the call was pretty clear. That is the rule and quite honestly, players and coaches need to spend more time understanding the rule book. By the way, there are modifications to the rule book all the time and its the coaches duty to teach players what is legal and what is a penalty. That rule btw has been in place for quite a while.
When i first asked this question there was no intent to impugn the credibility of the referees - I had never seen a chop block penalty (or any blocking penalty, for that matter) called on the defense. Since both teams were called for the same infraction it was not a question of fairness - just trying to understand a call that had many of us scratching our heads.
No doubt about that. I'm open to criticism.Understood completely - and to you and your fellow referees - just remember, there are hundreds/thousands of volunteers in the stands each week to help you do your job
In twenty plus years of officiating I have never even heard of a defensive chop block discussed as having occurred.
The defender's action can result in a block below the waist against an opponent if he is attempting to get to the ball carrier.
This seems like an odd call to make twice in one game. It requires two defensive players initiating contact with an offensive player that constitutes a chop block. You throw a ball carrier in there and then it really gets complex.
I think video would be needed.
The defender's action can result in a block below the waist against an opponent if he is attempting to get to the ball carrier.
This seems like an odd call to make twice in one game. It requires two defensive players initiating contact with an offensive player that constitutes a chop block. You throw a ball carrier in there and then it really gets complex.
I think video would be needed.
Gooms,
I don't want any more information, but I would love an English translation. There seems to be something missing in your sentence and I don't want to guess what you meant to say.
I don't want any more information, but I would love an English translation. There seems to be something missing in your sentence and I don't want to guess what you meant to say.
Been covering high school football for 35 years. You know how many times I have seen that call made on the DEFENSE? Zero. And this guy calls it twice in one game?
Why is the criticism towards a ref trying to show off, and not two quarterfinals teams committing those penalties?
I'm just assuming - based on what I can piece together - that it was a block below the waist on the defense. I suppose the signals are sort of similar. Let thee whose never given the wrong signal cast the first stone.
Because when a guy like this makes these kinds of calls, he ruins the flow of the game. Frankly, it makes me doubt if he even knew what he was calling. It also brings into question his knowledge of the rest of the game and it makes me wonder what he is doing on a quarterfinal game. Is he just with a real good crew and they cover for him?
Sounds like the problem is with you then. Why automatically assume he's being covered for or that he's wrong? Especially since he may have gotten the call right?
I will repeat what was written here. TWO chop block calls on the defense. No explanation given to the player when asked.
We really need good officials. Guys that know the rules and how to enforce them. And when asked, how to explain what the foul was so the player(s) don't repeat the foul.
I have seen hundreds officials in many different sports who are really, really good. They know they aren't the reason people have plunked down their money to come out and watch a game.
And have seen a few who need some work studying film, reading the rules and learning a bit about what an authority figure should be.They want to be the center of attention.
To me, this is one of those guys.
We really need good officials. Guys that know the rules and how to enforce them. And when asked, how to explain what the foul was so the player(s) don't repeat the foul.
I have seen hundreds officials in many different sports who are really, really good. They know they aren't the reason people have plunked down their money to come out and watch a game.
And have seen a few who need some work studying film, reading the rules and learning a bit about what an authority figure should be.They want to be the center of attention.
To me, this is one of those guys.
So if it was the right call why couldn't the ref explain what was the call then?
no explanation to
amen!