Reflector takes on playing Southern Miss

QuaoarsKing

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Between 1964 and 1990, Mississippi State played Southern Miss in football every year except twice. During that stretch, we won 12 times, lost 12 times and tied once (the NCAA later forced us to forfeit two of those wins).</p>

Back then, Southern Miss was an independent team that filled its schedule with teams like Memphis, Arkansas State, Southwestern Louisiana, Southeastern Louisiana, Richmond and Chattanooga, in addition to its instate "rivals" Mississippi State and Ole Miss.</p>

Meanwhile, we played a tough SEC schedule, and among those brutal games, Southern Miss would often pop up on the schedule.</p>

We would be beat up and bruised coming into that game, while Southern Miss would be barely singed thanks to its cupcake schedule.Even worse, USM would have its game with us circled as one of their biggest games of the year, while we would see them as just another game in a long difficult grind.</p>

Because of this, Southern Miss tended to play up for this game, even beating us seven years in a row from 1977 through 1983.</p>

Our 1980 team, one of the best in our history, the team that went down to Miami and beat one of Howard Schnellenberger's best, the team that pulled off the 6-3 win over No. 1 Alabama, lost to an inferior Southern Miss team 42-14. Had we not played them, we would have been a touchdown away from going into the bowls undefeated.</p>

Back then, we would regularly lose some of the recruits we wanted to Southern Miss because, by playing them, we were artificially putting them at our same level.</p>

We finally wised up to all this by 1990 and dropped Southern Miss from our schedule.</p>

Since then, Southern Miss has joined Conference USA and has been below us. We've lost very few recruits to them that we actually wanted, other than a few like DeAndre Brown who didn't qualify academically for an SEC school (and wasn't going to come to MSU anyway).</p>

And now, here we go again. Southern Miss still fills its schedule up with cupcakes, now teams like SMU, UAB, Tulane and Marshall. We still play a brutal SEC schedule, along with tough nonconference games.</p>

Southern Miss, who has no natural rival anyway, is going to have its game with us circled as its big rivalry game, while we might have it sixth or seventh on our list of importance.</p>

All of a sudden we have another tough rivalry game on our schedule, and we just don't need that.</p>

Is Southern Miss going to beat us? It's possible, but they probably won't.</p>

And it's not really the end of the world if they do. Even if beating us helps them get a couple of recruits we want, most recruits still know that the way to get on TV and play for national titles is in the SEC. And losing to Southern Miss won't be any worse than losing to Troy, Maine, UAB, Tulane or Louisiana Tech.</p>

It's not that we should be afraid to play them, it's just that there's no benefit. By playing them, we get a tougher game than we bargained for against a team that will measure its season by whether or not they beat us.</p>

If we win, so what? It's a Conference USA team, so of course we did.</p>

If we lose, it's a big deal, and we'll have to put up with Southern Miss fans (one of the country's most annoying fanbases for sure) for a whole year.</p>

Of course, now that the die is cast, my whole argument is moot. I'll certainly be at the games in both Starkville and Hattiesburg, rooting on the Bulldogs. At this point, all we can do is win those games.</p>
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I'm sure you've heard it by now. The tone resembles a 9-year-old who isn't ready for bedtime: "But we have everything to lose and nothing to gain."</p>

If you find yourself holding these sentiments toward Mississippi State scheduling games with Southern Miss, quit being a pansy. Quit being scared of a Conference USA squad.</p>

Nineteen years have passed since the Bulldogs played the Golden Eagles. During that span, State played 23 C-USA teams with games being split between Memphis, Tulane, UAB and Houston. Eleven of those games were played on the road. Honestly, how is a home-and-home with Southern worse than one with, say, Memphis? After all, it's not like Southern has held a death grip on the C-USA the past 15 years.</p>

The cynic would claim losing to Southern will hurt in-state recruiting if the Bulldogs lose. Really?</p>

The only recruits who will choose Southern over MSU are kids predestined to suit up in Black and Gold - recruits whose parents are Golden Eagles or who get homesick easily. The SEC just signed a $2 billion-plus deal with ESPN. I can't imagine a highly touted recruit thinking: "Man, MSU lost to Southern at home. I want to play in the Conference USA!" At the end of the day, teenagers want exposure. No one delivers like the SEC.</p>

If you aren't convinced, consider this: MSU lost to UAB on Homecoming in 2004. Over the next three years, we signed 10 recruits from Alabama with six hailing from the Birmingham area. Of those six players, all but two were ranked as 2-star recruits by rivals.com. Do you think UAB wasn't recruiting those guys, dwelling within or just outside its city limits? I doubt current Bulldogs like D.J. Looney or Rodney Prince thought too hard about the crashed parade of '04 when MSU came knockin'.</p>

Now, let's address this nonsense of MSU legitimizing Southern's program by traveling to Hattiesburg. Here's a brief list of major programs playing in-state C-USA home-and-homes:</p>

Last year, LSU at Tulane. This season, Texas Tech at Houston, Miami at UCF, Oklahoma at Tulsa. Next year, North Carolina at East Carolina and Tennessee at Memphis. If Texas Tech loses at Houston Saturday, will it officially legitimize Houston's program? No, Houston will eventually fade from the national spotlight like all C-USA teams that experience spurts of success. So, how could State legitimize Southern, a team who's been to more bowls? What a pretentious thought - sounds like the ideals of a Rebel to me.</p>

The only negative consequence from losing to Southern will be injured pride. Come on, State lost to Maine. That ego vaccination is at least effective until we horseshoe our north end zone.</p>

Honestly, MSU just doesn't have the $900,000 it takes to schedule a non-conference "buy" game. We have to settle for home-and-homes with teams like Middle Tennessee State. Considering the Bulldog's financial restraints, Southern Miss serves as a natural scheduling it.</p>

Most of all, the deal caters to the Bulldog brand. Whether you like it or not, MSU is the People's University. The Jackson State game started a trend embodying that image, and playing high-profile games with Southern Miss will extend it considerably. Not only that, the game will flirt with setting a home record crowd.</p>

Think about it. So far, Mississippi only has one big-time in-state match up - MSU versus Ole Miss - which isn't even played on Thanksgiving anymore.</p>

In the books, Southern Miss leads this series, thanks to a pair of bogus victories scored off NCAA-mandated MSU forfeits in 1974 and '75. As the Legend goes, MSU defensive tackle Larry Gillard bought clothes at a discount price, apparently from a local shop that offered a discount to all State students. After the NCAA sanctioned Gillard, a local judge ruled he could play out his career. The judge's injunction was later overturned, and MSU was forced to give up all its victories for the '74, '75 and '76 seasons.</p>

The last time we played USM, in 1990, the Bulldogs were well on their way to evening the series, thanks to consecutive victories over Brett Favre. It's time to finish the job and square things up. Let's do it for Larry G.</p>
 

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<span style="font-style: italic;">Back then, we would regularly lose some of the recruits we wanted to Southern Miss because, by playing them, we were artificially putting them at our same level.

</span><span style="font-family: Arial;">thats some real fine investigative work by a kid who most likely wasn't alive during any of that series.</span><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">

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615dawg

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We won 14 and lost 12, and were later forced to forfiet 2 games. That's half-*** Locke journalism there, Reflector.
 

QuaoarsKing

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615dawg said:
We won 14 and lost 12, and were later forced to forfiet 2 games. That's half-*** Locke journalism there, Reflector.
We did go 12-12-1 (or 10-14-1) between 1964 and 1990, with 2 wins over them sporadically before 1964.
 

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QuaoarsKing said:
615dawg said:
We won 14 and lost 12, and were later forced to forfiet 2 games. That's half-*** Locke journalism there, Reflector.
We did go 12-12-1 (or 10-14-1) between 1964 and 1990, with 2 wins over them sporadically before 1964.

I thought forfeited games just didn't count (or is that only for Alabama?).