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The following is from the Automotive News; a publication designed primarily for auto dealers (a group with which Tesla has previously gone to war any number of times). So, you're free to view the piece as biased with regard to that particular group's interests......OTOH, this is perspective you won't find through many other generally-available sources.

'Bankwuptcy' watch: Will Tesla make it through?

Investor patience is wearing thin


Not one to pass up a chance to troll his followers, Tesla CEO Elon Musk kicked off April joking on Twitter that the electric automaker had gone bankrupt.

"Elon was found passed out against a Tesla Model 3, surrounded by 'Teslaquilla' bottles, the tracks of dried tears still visible on his cheeks," the executive tweeted, along with a photo of himself sleeping against a Model 3, holding a sign that read, "Bankwupt!"

Though the tweets were just another April Fools' Day joke from the automaker — in 2015, the company said it was creating a Tesla watch — Tesla's humor may be a little too close for comfort.

The automaker reported its first-quarter sales Tuesday, which followed reports that production missed its self-imposed goal of 2,500 Model 3 sedans a week, hitting 2,020 vehicles for the last week of the period.

The miss comes as Tesla deals with a federal investigation into a fatal crash involving a Model X operating with its Autopilot system engaged, a mounting trade war with China that could severely cost the automaker, a labor complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board and rants against reporters by its CEO on social media.

On Monday, April 2, Tesla shares hit a 52-week low of $244.59. By the end of the week, shares were back up to $305, but still a far cry from the 52-week high of $389.61.


"Tolerance for the brand's history of missed numbers is likely at an end," said Karl Brauer, executive publisher at Kelley Blue Book and Autotrader.

Unsteady ramp-up

While first-quarter output was just 480 vehicles shy of Tesla's target, the company's inconsistent production numbers leave analysts skeptical that the carmaker can steadily increase its rate in the second quarter.

Tesla declined to comment on the record for this report, but pointed to statements about future production plans. "In the past seven days, Tesla produced 2,020 Model 3 vehicles," the company said in a statement Tuesday, April 3. "In the next seven days, we expect to produce 2,000 Model S and X vehicles and 2,000 Model 3 vehicles."

After the company reported that it had produced 793 Model 3 sedans in the last week of the fourth quarter of 2017, Bloomberg's Model 3 output model, which tracks registered vehicle identification numbers, shows the rate stayed well below 1,000 vehicles until the last week of March.

"More important than a quarter-end all-out production push is the sustainability of production over the quarter — and the first quarter result did not give u
s any sense of sustainability," wrote Brian Johnson, a Barclays analyst, in a note to investors. "We expect production to come down significantly as Tesla addresses its bottlenecks in preparation for ramping to higher levels."

Tesla is well behind the rest of the industry when it comes to ramping up production. Ron Harbour, a manufacturing consultant with Oliver Wyman, said, "When you're getting a factory to 1,000 cars a day, if that takes a month or two, you're doing badly."

And, as Tesla enters the mass-market segment of the industry, expectations for vehicle quality and consistency will differ from the relative tolerance it has seen from its typical first-adopter customer in the luxury market.

Brauer said, "The jump to high volume, it's different on so many levels. It's about the number of cars you can consistently produce with high quality. You have everything lined up to build 2,020 vehicles in one week, that's excellent, but can you do that for 52 weeks or more?"

In its first quarter delivery report, Tesla said it would not need to raise more capital for the rest of 2018.

"Tesla continues to target a production rate of approximately 5,000 units per week in about three months, laying the groundwork for [the third quarter] to have the long-sought ideal combination of high volume, good gross margin and strong positive operating cash flow," the report read. "As a result, Tesla does not require an equity or debt raise this year, apart from standard credit lines."

'Hard to believe'

The statement echoes one Musk made in February 2017, when he said in an earnings call that the company did not need to raise more funding for the Model 3. Tesla ended up raising about $3 billion from capital markets that year.

"It seems hard to believe," Brauer said of Tesla's most recent statement on capital raises. "They have payments on their debt and loans staring them in the face, as well as upward shifts in expenditures."

In addition to rising production costs, Tesla may face financial risk from tariffs proposed by China in response to actions from the Trump administration.

Specifically, a tax on imported electric vehicles could increase prices of Tesla vehicles in the country even more than the existing 25 percent import tariff.

"While these steep import tariffs are part of the upper-end luxury market (and in some respects add to the prestige factor for luxury cars), for lower-luxury vehicles than the Model 3 a 50 percent premium would be significant," Barclays' Johnson wrote.


Despite the factors working against Tesla, there's hope among observers the automaker can pull through, as it has in other low points in its 15-year history.

"Moving production numbers up isn't hard once everything is working properly," Brauer said. "The problem is everything has to be working properly."



You can reach Katie Burke at [email protected] -- Follow Katie on Twitter: @KatieGBurke
 

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The following is from the Automotive News; a publication designed primarily for auto dealers (a group with which Tesla has previously gone to war any number of times). So, you're free to view the piece as biased with regard to that particular group's interests......OTOH, this is perspective you won't find through many other generally-available sources.

'Bankwuptcy' watch: Will Tesla make it through?

Investor patience is wearing thin


Not one to pass up a chance to troll his followers, Tesla CEO Elon Musk kicked off April joking on Twitter that the electric automaker had gone bankrupt.

"Elon was found passed out against a Tesla Model 3, surrounded by 'Teslaquilla' bottles, the tracks of dried tears still visible on his cheeks," the executive tweeted, along with a photo of himself sleeping against a Model 3, holding a sign that read, "Bankwupt!"

Though the tweets were just another April Fools' Day joke from the automaker — in 2015, the company said it was creating a Tesla watch — Tesla's humor may be a little too close for comfort.

The automaker reported its first-quarter sales Tuesday, which followed reports that production missed its self-imposed goal of 2,500 Model 3 sedans a week, hitting 2,020 vehicles for the last week of the period.

The miss comes as Tesla deals with a federal investigation into a fatal crash involving a Model X operating with its Autopilot system engaged, a mounting trade war with China that could severely cost the automaker, a labor complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board and rants against reporters by its CEO on social media.

On Monday, April 2, Tesla shares hit a 52-week low of $244.59. By the end of the week, shares were back up to $305, but still a far cry from the 52-week high of $389.61.


"Tolerance for the brand's history of missed numbers is likely at an end," said Karl Brauer, executive publisher at Kelley Blue Book and Autotrader.

Unsteady ramp-up

While first-quarter output was just 480 vehicles shy of Tesla's target, the company's inconsistent production numbers leave analysts skeptical that the carmaker can steadily increase its rate in the second quarter.

Tesla declined to comment on the record for this report, but pointed to statements about future production plans. "In the past seven days, Tesla produced 2,020 Model 3 vehicles," the company said in a statement Tuesday, April 3. "In the next seven days, we expect to produce 2,000 Model S and X vehicles and 2,000 Model 3 vehicles."

After the company reported that it had produced 793 Model 3 sedans in the last week of the fourth quarter of 2017, Bloomberg's Model 3 output model, which tracks registered vehicle identification numbers, shows the rate stayed well below 1,000 vehicles until the last week of March.

"More important than a quarter-end all-out production push is the sustainability of production over the quarter — and the first quarter result did not give u
s any sense of sustainability," wrote Brian Johnson, a Barclays analyst, in a note to investors. "We expect production to come down significantly as Tesla addresses its bottlenecks in preparation for ramping to higher levels."

Tesla is well behind the rest of the industry when it comes to ramping up production. Ron Harbour, a manufacturing consultant with Oliver Wyman, said, "When you're getting a factory to 1,000 cars a day, if that takes a month or two, you're doing badly."

And, as Tesla enters the mass-market segment of the industry, expectations for vehicle quality and consistency will differ from the relative tolerance it has seen from its typical first-adopter customer in the luxury market.

Brauer said, "The jump to high volume, it's different on so many levels. It's about the number of cars you can consistently produce with high quality. You have everything lined up to build 2,020 vehicles in one week, that's excellent, but can you do that for 52 weeks or more?"

In its first quarter delivery report, Tesla said it would not need to raise more capital for the rest of 2018.

"Tesla continues to target a production rate of approximately 5,000 units per week in about three months, laying the groundwork for [the third quarter] to have the long-sought ideal combination of high volume, good gross margin and strong positive operating cash flow," the report read. "As a result, Tesla does not require an equity or debt raise this year, apart from standard credit lines."

'Hard to believe'

The statement echoes one Musk made in February 2017, when he said in an earnings call that the company did not need to raise more funding for the Model 3. Tesla ended up raising about $3 billion from capital markets that year.

"It seems hard to believe," Brauer said of Tesla's most recent statement on capital raises. "They have payments on their debt and loans staring them in the face, as well as upward shifts in expenditures."

In addition to rising production costs, Tesla may face financial risk from tariffs proposed by China in response to actions from the Trump administration.

Specifically, a tax on imported electric vehicles could increase prices of Tesla vehicles in the country even more than the existing 25 percent import tariff.

"While these steep import tariffs are part of the upper-end luxury market (and in some respects add to the prestige factor for luxury cars), for lower-luxury vehicles than the Model 3 a 50 percent premium would be significant," Barclays' Johnson wrote.


Despite the factors working against Tesla, there's hope among observers the automaker can pull through, as it has in other low points in its 15-year history.

"Moving production numbers up isn't hard once everything is working properly," Brauer said. "The problem is everything has to be working properly."



You can reach Katie Burke at [email protected] -- Follow Katie on Twitter: @KatieGBurke
Model 3 does seem to be a failure at this point. I was hoping to buy one.
 

COOL MAN

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Model 3 does seem to be a failure at this point. I was hoping to buy one.

Probably too early to call it a failure.

However, if Musk truly intends to grow the Tesla into a legitimate, integrated auto manufacturer, he's got to figure out how to successfully increase his production dramatically beyond boutique levels. He's clearly got a vision different than the Detroit (and Japan) majors, but he's still some distance from being viewed as a global player.

Maybe he doesn't care about that.......and maybe he'll just sell his assembly operations at some point to Toyota or GM or some international consortium (which could include India and/or China). But until that happens, he eventually needs to make money in cars; and that won't/can't happen until he starts selling them in volume.

I think there's at least a chance he's out of the vehicle assembly business altogether in 10 years, and is manufacturing/selling 80% of the industry's global requirements for batteries.
 

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The following is from the Automotive News; a publication designed primarily for auto dealers (a group with which Tesla has previously gone to war any number of times). So, you're free to view the piece as biased with regard to that particular group's interests......OTOH, this is perspective you won't find through many other generally-available sources.

'Bankwuptcy' watch: Will Tesla make it through?

Investor patience is wearing thin


Not one to pass up a chance to troll his followers, Tesla CEO Elon Musk kicked off April joking on Twitter that the electric automaker had gone bankrupt.

"Elon was found passed out against a Tesla Model 3, surrounded by 'Teslaquilla' bottles, the tracks of dried tears still visible on his cheeks," the executive tweeted, along with a photo of himself sleeping against a Model 3, holding a sign that read, "Bankwupt!"

Though the tweets were just another April Fools' Day joke from the automaker — in 2015, the company said it was creating a Tesla watch — Tesla's humor may be a little too close for comfort.

The automaker reported its first-quarter sales Tuesday, which followed reports that production missed its self-imposed goal of 2,500 Model 3 sedans a week, hitting 2,020 vehicles for the last week of the period.

The miss comes as Tesla deals with a federal investigation into a fatal crash involving a Model X operating with its Autopilot system engaged, a mounting trade war with China that could severely cost the automaker, a labor complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board and rants against reporters by its CEO on social media.

On Monday, April 2, Tesla shares hit a 52-week low of $244.59. By the end of the week, shares were back up to $305, but still a far cry from the 52-week high of $389.61.


"Tolerance for the brand's history of missed numbers is likely at an end," said Karl Brauer, executive publisher at Kelley Blue Book and Autotrader.

Unsteady ramp-up

While first-quarter output was just 480 vehicles shy of Tesla's target, the company's inconsistent production numbers leave analysts skeptical that the carmaker can steadily increase its rate in the second quarter.

Tesla declined to comment on the record for this report, but pointed to statements about future production plans. "In the past seven days, Tesla produced 2,020 Model 3 vehicles," the company said in a statement Tuesday, April 3. "In the next seven days, we expect to produce 2,000 Model S and X vehicles and 2,000 Model 3 vehicles."

After the company reported that it had produced 793 Model 3 sedans in the last week of the fourth quarter of 2017, Bloomberg's Model 3 output model, which tracks registered vehicle identification numbers, shows the rate stayed well below 1,000 vehicles until the last week of March.

"More important than a quarter-end all-out production push is the sustainability of production over the quarter — and the first quarter result did not give u
s any sense of sustainability," wrote Brian Johnson, a Barclays analyst, in a note to investors. "We expect production to come down significantly as Tesla addresses its bottlenecks in preparation for ramping to higher levels."

Tesla is well behind the rest of the industry when it comes to ramping up production. Ron Harbour, a manufacturing consultant with Oliver Wyman, said, "When you're getting a factory to 1,000 cars a day, if that takes a month or two, you're doing badly."

And, as Tesla enters the mass-market segment of the industry, expectations for vehicle quality and consistency will differ from the relative tolerance it has seen from its typical first-adopter customer in the luxury market.

Brauer said, "The jump to high volume, it's different on so many levels. It's about the number of cars you can consistently produce with high quality. You have everything lined up to build 2,020 vehicles in one week, that's excellent, but can you do that for 52 weeks or more?"

In its first quarter delivery report, Tesla said it would not need to raise more capital for the rest of 2018.

"Tesla continues to target a production rate of approximately 5,000 units per week in about three months, laying the groundwork for [the third quarter] to have the long-sought ideal combination of high volume, good gross margin and strong positive operating cash flow," the report read. "As a result, Tesla does not require an equity or debt raise this year, apart from standard credit lines."

'Hard to believe'

The statement echoes one Musk made in February 2017, when he said in an earnings call that the company did not need to raise more funding for the Model 3. Tesla ended up raising about $3 billion from capital markets that year.

"It seems hard to believe," Brauer said of Tesla's most recent statement on capital raises. "They have payments on their debt and loans staring them in the face, as well as upward shifts in expenditures."

In addition to rising production costs, Tesla may face financial risk from tariffs proposed by China in response to actions from the Trump administration.

Specifically, a tax on imported electric vehicles could increase prices of Tesla vehicles in the country even more than the existing 25 percent import tariff.

"While these steep import tariffs are part of the upper-end luxury market (and in some respects add to the prestige factor for luxury cars), for lower-luxury vehicles than the Model 3 a 50 percent premium would be significant," Barclays' Johnson wrote.


Despite the factors working against Tesla, there's hope among observers the automaker can pull through, as it has in other low points in its 15-year history.

"Moving production numbers up isn't hard once everything is working properly," Brauer said. "The problem is everything has to be working properly."



You can reach Katie Burke at [email protected] -- Follow Katie on Twitter: @KatieGBurke

Think Tucker .
 

JMichael

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Model 3 does seem to be a failure at this point. I was hoping to buy one.
The Model 3 is the number one car of the year by consumer report. It is turning out to be a fantastic vehicle. Selling as fast as they can make them.
 

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The Model 3 is the number one car of the year by consumer report. It is turning out to be a fantastic vehicle. Selling as fast as they can make them.
It's actually selling way faster than they can make them. That's kinda the problem.
 

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The Model 3 is the number one car of the year by consumer report. It is turning out to be a fantastic vehicle. Selling as fast as they can make them.
How far will it run without charging? How long does it take to charge it?
 

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How far will it run without charging? How long does it take to charge it?
220-310mi on a full charge.

Tesla Supercharging stations charge with up to 145 kW of power distributed between two adjacent cars, with a maximum of 120 kW per car. That is up to 16 times as fast as public charging stations; they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%.
 

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220-310mi on a full charge.

Tesla Supercharging stations charge with up to 145 kW of power distributed between two adjacent cars, with a maximum of 120 kW per car. That is up to 16 times as fast as public charging stations; they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%.
Was sitting beside a Model S sedan this AM, they are attractive on the outside.
 

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220-310mi on a full charge.

Tesla Supercharging stations charge with up to 145 kW of power distributed between two adjacent cars, with a maximum of 120 kW per car. That is up to 16 times as fast as public charging stations; they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%.
What's the cost for charging at stations?
 

WVUCOOPER

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What's the cost for charging at stations?
I think for the S and X models, it is free. For the 3 I found this:

The amount charged for electricity at a Supercharger facility is fixed in each state in the US. The customer is charged for each minute of use and the rate varies according to the state of charge of the battery in the car at the time. In PTFI’s case, the 43 kWh of electricity used is enough to drive about 170 miles.

For comparison purposes, a conventional car that gets 25 miles per gallon would need roughly 7 gallons of gasoline to go the same distance. Assuming a price of $3 a gallon (Californians tend to pay more for gas than the rest of Americans), that works out to $21 to travel the same distance — nearly three times the cost of electricity.

So don’t be too disappointed if you are a Tesla Model 3 owner waiting for your car to be delivered. Your cost of electricity will still be much less than your neighbor with that gasmobile will pay for fuel. Plus, every mile you drive will be emissions free. The icing on the cake is that Tesla is committed to getting the electricity for its Supercharger locations from the greenest source available in the area. Eventually, the company intends for all of them to be solar powered.

In WV, the fee is $0.22 per kWh
 

The Dunedein

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I hope Tesla makes it. Musk is an innovator and we need him to succeed.

This past Saturday the Tesla showroom at Easton Town Center (Columbus) had a lot of people. Don't know about any sales, but there were a good number of folks sitting in the cars talking to salespeople.