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Not meaning to stir the pot. Just was conversing the other day with a family friend and in laws and a statement was made that the person didn't believe that people of the Catholic faith wouldn't enter heaven.

This baffles me. There are tons of "Christ-Centered" Protestant religions that have small differences and I find it a tad much to think that only Protestants with the pure label of "Christian" get to enter heaven. It just really cracked me up because people do realize that Catholics/Catholicism were technically "the first Christians" right?


Again, not trying to start an argument. Just wanting to discuss and maybe gain some perspective. Sometimes it amazes me how little history people who claim they are "Christians" know about their own faith.
 
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I was just floored to hear that from an in-law who knew both me and my wife (their daughter) are currently participating in our RICA classes, reading the Catechism and in the process of converting...
 
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Some (uninformed) people think Catholics revere Mary so much as to put her on the same level as The Trinity. I think that's some of the beef.

An acquaintance of mine who was a Methodist minister actually thinks the opposite way, that Catholicism is the only 'true' way. He did all kind of whatever he calls 'research' and came to that conclusion.

Jesus is my boy and all, but if I thought I KNEW for certain I was punching my ticket correctly and everyone else was wrong and gonna burn, then I'd be lost.
 
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And as much shiz as we give you on here, Sean, I'm glad you're taking steps like that in your faith. Brush of the haters.
 
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funKYcat75 said:
And as much shiz as we give you on here, Sean, I'm glad you're taking steps like that in your faith. Brush of the haters.
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Life's too short to sweat the small stuff... And the only salvation I am in charge of is myself...not my place to designate where others salvation stands

I also have found through this first 4 months a lot of misconceptions one of which like you said is dealing with Mary. Its more of just a way of saying "God chose her to carry the savior- so naturally if she carried the savior of the world, she has an element of divinity." That makes sense to me.
 
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DR Congo it is!
 
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The only way to know what happens in death is to die. Everything else just seems to be speculation. Heaven, hell, and purgatory don't seem to be part of the observable universe.
 
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No man alive gets a say in the decision. Actually only a single being does and none of us have any right to say who is and isn't entering heaven. That is if you believe and all that. I've been born and raised southern baptist and what I have been taught is if you believe upon Jesus and repent for being a sinner then you are by definition saved. I can't tell you if you are saved, I can only tell you if I am. Maybe.
 
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Nubb, I have been a Christian my whole life, been in more theological debates and discussions than I could possibly recall and stating I can't tell you if you are saved I.can only tell you if I am is one of the cleanest, most honest, and most humble statements of faith I have come across.

I intend to steal shamelessly.

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BigBlueSean said:
I also have found through this first 4 months a lot of misconceptions one of which like you said is dealing with Mary. Its more of just a way of saying "God chose her to carry the savior- so naturally if she carried the savior of the world, she has an element of divinity." That makes sense to me.
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I see where you're coming from, but I think her humanity is what makes it special. We're all chosen for something. That was her calling.

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Sean, I commend you for your journey of faith. Putting it on this board you knew what was going to happen but I'm glad you did.

I've never understood the Protestant (and usually fundamentalists) who think they have the only path to Heaven.

I think the belief comes from Mary and trouble reconciling that practice with John 14:6-7 NIV[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

Some people believe that Hail Mary's, etc violate this tenet of the Christian faith. I disagree with them. I have no doubt that Catholics can go to heaven.
 
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TruBluCatFan said:
Sean, I commend you for your journey of faith. Putting it on this board you knew what was going to happen but I'm glad you did.

I've never understood the Protestant (and usually fundamentalists) who think they have the only path to Heaven.

I think the belief comes from Mary and trouble reconciling that practice with John 14:6-7 NIV[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

Some people believe that Hail Mary's, etc violate this tenet of the Christian faith. I disagree with them. I have no doubt that Catholics can go to heaven.
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Jesus also said repetitive prayer is not heard. The rosary is a repetitive prayer. Its not up to me who goes tp heaven and who doesn't. I just know what ive read in the bible, and alot of catholic teaching is just not there!
 
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Jesus also said repetitive prayer is not heard. The rosary is a repetitive prayer. Its not up to me who goes tp heaven and who doesn't. I just know what ive read in the bible, and alot of catholic teaching is just not there!
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My daughter was talking to me about religion and what is the right one and wrong one. I gave the opinion that so many religions believe that they have the only way to heaven and I don't know which one is right. But I firmly believe that if you are a decent human then you're good. Why would God base your admittance to heaven on whether you believe a certain way. That means that people who never knew the "secret" were doomed. If God's that mean then heaven probably sucks anyway.
 
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Can't believe I'm going to type a serious reply in the Paddock...but the OP seems genuine.

The major doctrinal divide between Catholics and Protestants (and the issue that sparked the Reformation 499 years ago Tuesday) is the issue of salvation by grace through faith alone due entirely to the finished work of Christ, not our own works, (the Protestant position; see Ephesians 2:8-10) vs. salvation by grace through continual obedience to the sacraments (baptism, mass, confession etc.).

A Catholic must "earn" grace (Protestants see this as an oxymoron because grace by definition is unearned) by continually participating in the sacraments...a combination of faith and works in salvation.

Protestants claim that this idea of salvation is unbiblical and therefore only those who trust fully in Christ's finished work on the cross (not in their own works, which the Bible calls filthy rags in God's eyes...and this applies to any works based religion) will enter the Kingdom of God.
 
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My daughter was talking to me about religion and what is the right one and wrong one. I gave the opinion that so many religions believe that they have the only way to heaven and I don't know which one is right. But I firmly believe that if you are a decent human then you're good. Why would God base your admittance to heaven on whether you believe a certain way. That means that people who never knew the "secret" were doomed. If God's that mean then heaven probably sucks anyway.
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The problem is that your definition of "good" is not God's definition of good. God requires perfection because He is holy and by His very nature sin cannot exist in His presence.

Therefore, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3), no one "deserves" to go to Heaven (which is eternal existence in God's presence). In fact, everyone deserves judgment because God is a righteous judge who cannot let sin go unpunished (just like a righteous judge on earth who won't simply let a guilty murderer go free because the judge is a "nice guy").

Hence we are all under God's wrath (Eph 2:1-4)...enter Jesus. He is the only man who has ever been sinless and perfect...the only man to "deserve" to enter the Kingdom. On the cross Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of all who would believe in Him and in exchange imputes His people with His perfect righteousness so that they may live with Him forever.

This is the Gospel and all who trust in Christ alone for salvation, trust in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection, Jesus promises to raise them from the dead as well on the last day. This is grace.
 
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H. Lecter said:
My daughter was talking to me about religion and what is the right one and wrong one. I gave the opinion that so many religions believe that they have the only way to heaven and I don't know which one is right. But I firmly believe that if you are a decent human then you're good. Why would God base your admittance to heaven on whether you believe a certain way. That means that people who never knew the "secret" were doomed. If God's that mean then heaven probably sucks anyway.
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See ya in Hell, my friend!
 
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The problem is that your definition of "good" is not God's definition of good. God requires perfection because He is holy and by His very nature sin cannot exist in His presence.

Therefore, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3), no one "deserves" to go to Heaven (which is eternal existence in God's presence). In fact, everyone deserves judgment because God is a righteous judge who cannot let sin go unpunished (just like a righteous judge on earth who won't simply let a guilty murderer go free because the judge is a "nice guy").

Hence we are all under God's wrath (Eph 2:1-4)...enter Jesus. He is the only man who has ever been sinless and perfect...the only man to "deserve" to enter the Kingdom. On the cross Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of all who would believe in Him and in exchange imputes His people with His perfect righteousness so that they may live with Him forever.

This is the Gospel and all who trust in Christ alone for salvation, trust in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection, Jesus promises to raise them from the dead as well on the last day. This is grace.
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Plenty of other completely sincere believers in different faiths are sure you'll be eternally punished because the god(s) they believe in will judge you to have not met their standard.
 
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