Protestants- particularly Baptists- are horrible people going straight to hell.
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Link? (I mean to something other than a Bible verse or somebody's interpretation of a Bible verse)
Link? (I mean to something other than a Bible verse or somebody's interpretation of a Bible verse)
...where they'll be forced to dance and drink.
I actually hate dancing and drinking - but for non-religious reasons.
When you die you are going to stand before almighty God and give an account for your life.
Because He is holy, righteous, and just He is going to judge you by His perfect moral standard in thought, word, and deed. If found guilty of breaking His law because He is holy, righteous, and just He must punish sin. The punishment God has ascribed for sin is eternity in hell.
In addition to being holy, righteous, and just God is also gracious, loving, kind, and merciful. There is only 1 way you can escape His holy wrath. That is through His Son Jesus Christ. 2000 years ago God the Father sent His Son to Earth in the person of Jesus Christ fully God and fully man without sin.
Unlike you or I He never broke God's law in thought, word, or deed. He was the perfect sinless Lamb of God. In about 30-33 years into that existence, He voluntarily went to the cross and suffered a bloody and horrible death that He did not deserve to take upon Himself the punishment that you and I rightfully deserve for our sins against God.
Then, 3 days later He forever defeated sin and death when He rose from the grave. Now what God has commanded of you and the same He commands of me and people everywhere is to repent, turn from your sin, and by faith and faith alone receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and your Savior.
God literally looked at His Son, who knew no sin, as though He lived your life. In return, God looks at you as though you lived His Son's perfect life. Jesus says unless a person is born again they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. He will give you a new heart with new desires. You will begin to hate the things God hates and love the things God loves. When you do die and stand before Him instead of receiving what you deserve for your sin which is hell you will receive what you don't deserve which is grace, mercy, and eternal life with Jesus Christ the Lord.
Because He is holy, righteous, and just He is going to judge you by His perfect moral standard in thought, word, and deed. If found guilty of breaking His law because He is holy, righteous, and just He must punish sin. The punishment God has ascribed for sin is eternity in hell.
In addition to being holy, righteous, and just God is also gracious, loving, kind, and merciful. There is only 1 way you can escape His holy wrath. That is through His Son Jesus Christ. 2000 years ago God the Father sent His Son to Earth in the person of Jesus Christ fully God and fully man without sin.
Unlike you or I He never broke God's law in thought, word, or deed. He was the perfect sinless Lamb of God. In about 30-33 years into that existence, He voluntarily went to the cross and suffered a bloody and horrible death that He did not deserve to take upon Himself the punishment that you and I rightfully deserve for our sins against God.
Then, 3 days later He forever defeated sin and death when He rose from the grave. Now what God has commanded of you and the same He commands of me and people everywhere is to repent, turn from your sin, and by faith and faith alone receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and your Savior.
God literally looked at His Son, who knew no sin, as though He lived your life. In return, God looks at you as though you lived His Son's perfect life. Jesus says unless a person is born again they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. He will give you a new heart with new desires. You will begin to hate the things God hates and love the things God loves. When you do die and stand before Him instead of receiving what you deserve for your sin which is hell you will receive what you don't deserve which is grace, mercy, and eternal life with Jesus Christ the Lord.
What's your point?
Many Louisville fans think they have a superior basketball program compared to Kentucky. Doesn't mean they're right. There is truth, and it is knowable because God has revealed Himself.
No other religion has a revelation from God that stands up to internal and external scrutiny like the Bible does. And even if you don't believe the Bible, your own conscience accuses you because you know you are not perfect and you also know that God exists. These facts cause you to search for a reason to reject God's authority because you are trying to justify yourself by pointing to "plenty of other" religions in order to ease your guilt.
Repent of your sins and trust in Jesus...this is not my opinion, this is what the Bible says (Romans 1-3, Eph 2, John 3 & 6, Revelation 1-3).
Link? (I mean to something other than a Bible verse or somebody's interpretation of a Bible verse)
This thread is getting serious. So I bring you BibleMan! We got Willie Aames suckas!
They're drunk so they need each other to hold themselves up. Because they're drink they're stumbling. Thus, making it look like dancing. At least how I dance.
I college there was some Baptist student placing anti-Catholic pamphlets through out the dorm.
Got into heating arguments with Catholic students. I always thought he was the sinner being judgmental.
I went to with some family members to their Baptist church.
They went through the whole pray for someone that fighting cancer or some other bad situation, like every church does.
Then this woman said to pray for some guy who's wife left him....for a WOMAN! Way to air out some dirty laundry.
i'm surprised how political churches have become in their sermons.
Got into heating arguments with Catholic students. I always thought he was the sinner being judgmental.
I went to with some family members to their Baptist church.
They went through the whole pray for someone that fighting cancer or some other bad situation, like every church does.
Then this woman said to pray for some guy who's wife left him....for a WOMAN! Way to air out some dirty laundry.
i'm surprised how political churches have become in their sermons.
I've thought it through a great deal and discussed it ad nauseum with too many people. You people act like when you recite these scripts at people that we haven't heard them a thousand times before. I've heard it, I've considered it, I've rejected it. You're so inside your box that you're not even aware of your own myopia. "Everybody has faith and believes they're right and is convinced that they have the Truth with a capital T but they're wrong because I have faith and believe I'm right and have the Truth with a capital T because reasons." Yeah, I gave a dismissive answer. You trot out that "I'm right and you know I'm right and you're only lying to yourself" bs because YOU can't handle the cognitive dissonance that comes with realizing that most of the world has come to a different conclusion than the one that is supposedly self-evident and indisputable. So you have to make up absurd accusations about billions of other people knowing that you're right and choosing to send themselves to hell because they're rather live in denial. That's some of the craziest bs I've ever heard. You have to come up with all sorts of absurd justifications for believing in something that is completely and totally ridiculous, unbelievable, anti-human, and frankly loathsome. I accept people having faith in things, believing what they believe. I don't, a lot of people do in a lot of different things, that's fine. But absolutist pricks telling people "deep inside you actually know I'm right so you're going to deserve the eternal torture coming your way" can piss right off.
So is Judas a hero..bc all of these shenanigans wouldn't have happened at the end without him. Plus since God is all knowing he already knew Judas would do this..or something like that.
And hasn't Satan read the bible yet..I mean if it lays out what's going to happen in the instruction manual I figure he would change his approach or just not go about it that way.
And hasn't Satan read the bible yet..I mean if it lays out what's going to happen in the instruction manual I figure he would change his approach or just not go about it that way.
The catholic should fogive them their judgments against them, and so should you the atheist...
that's just my opinion, no dogma
Why do Fundies out so much stock in Paul's letters?
He never even met Jesus but you quote the hell out of him.
He never even met Jesus but you quote the hell out of him.
Serious question for you. If you are an atheist, then why are you responding to a thread asking a religious question unless you are trying to piss of Christians with your responses?
Winner winner chicken dinner!!
Always find it amusing that atheists call out Christians for proselytizing all the while doing the exact same thing on the opposite side.
The big problem with this way of reasoning is that there is ultimately a real truth. Just because people believe in a variety of things doesn't mean all of them are wrong. We all think that whatever we believe is the truth, but in the end most will be wrong. You believe when we die that is it. You may be right. You may be wrong. The real truth won't be defined by what any of us believe.
Well for one it's the paddock, and tossing in sarcastic answers in threads about any subject is just the way things work here. Regarding the post you quoted, I have an inability to not call out bs artists when they start preaching their bs. Whether it's fundies telling everyone they're all going to hell if they don't believe in just the right way, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, or 9-11 truthers, when somebody starts preaching bs I can't help myself. But with reasonable people who are believers, I have no problem having a reasonable conversation.
Yeah, there's one thing that's the truth. But there's no good reason to believe your version of the truth (or any of those religions' versions of the truth) is actually the real truth. The arguments everybody uses are all remarkably similar. If the same argument can be used in favor of different "truths," it isn't an argument that those things are necessarily false, but it is reason to believe that the arguments are flawed and not a good reason to believe the thing is actually true. There may be something - I don't think there is, but there may be - but human religions that reflect human traits and human flaws and human pettiness onto a deity as they all make the same sort of bad arguments in favor of radically different conclusions don't appear even remotely believable.
Thanks for the sincere answer. I guess you and I are different. If someone started a thread asking a question about being an atheist, I doubt I would read it, much less post comments in it.
I don't go up to people and say "have you hear the news that there is no god?" or try to drive conversations toward religion so I can tell people how they shouldn't believe. But if the subject arises in a public forum I'll certainly toss in my two cents. My big issue is people who feel they should be able to proselytize or speak about their beliefs as if they're just truth without having to face criticism of their ideas. If you start telling people how they can change their life going gluten free I'll tell people why it's a bad idea. If you start telling people why the Cardinals are the best team ever I'll tell people why it's a bad idea. And if you tell people they should give their life to Jesus so they don't burn in hell, I'll tell people why it's a bad idea.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, or even defend what I believe, but consider that we are all humans, and we can't really know the nature of God. By default, we will attribute human characteristics to God because it's all we can relate to. I tend to look at what I know to be true and ask myself if I really believe it could have come into existence through happenstance. Every time I think about the logic of that scenario, I have too many questions that cannot be resolved to come to any other conclusion than it was all created by some higher entity. But that's just my opinion, and I respect that you have also come to yours.
This thread was not about the idea that people should believe. This thread asked a question about why some Protestants don't believe Catholics will go to heaven. I am Protestant, but I don't share the belief that Catholics won't go to Heaven.
I get that. And yeah, I know you're not trying to convert me (the more aggressive answers in this thread have been directed toward the "convert or burn" rhetoric). I was raised Catholic, and wasn't just a "get dragged to church on Sunday and forget about it the rest of the week" person, I was really and truly a believer up through about age 19 or 20. So I get the perspective. I understand not accepting that things just happened (though I think that's how things went). But it's quite a leap from "some sort of intelligence must have created the universe" to "this specific religion is true and that intelligent creator of the entire universe is deeply concerned with the actions and beliefs of people on this one little unexceptional planet in one little unexceptional galaxy amid hundreds of billions that we know of." I alluded to this earlier but while I disagree I completely understand that sort of deism. When it comes to specific religious belief, I again understand it having once been inside of it, but they seem from my perspective to be entirely unjustified if you look at it from a dispassionate perspective.
Right, but go back and look through the thread. My first post was just a sarcastic one liner fitting with how the thread was going - Paddock style. It wasn't until someone started preaching "my way is right, it's the only truth, repent and believe!" that I responded to them critically.
I've never seen the point of telling people to believe what I believe or you're doomed. I think the best anyone can hope for is to have rationale discussion with people who are interested in the topic and share with them why I think what I think. If that is not convincing enough to get them to consider the possibility, then nothing else I say will change that.
Like I said, I don't have any problem with anything you've said in here. I appreciate the conversation. I was only responding strongly to people preaching "you're going to go to hell and deserve it unless you do what I say god says."
Do you really not see the inherent contradiction in your first and last sentence? It is proselytizing regardless of who starts the dialogue.
You can believe what you want and comment how you wish. I'm not here to argue theology with you. Have a good day.
There's absolutely no contradiction. I don't go around starting arguments about how vaccines don't cause autism and I don't go around starting arguments about how you shouldn't believe in Christianity. But when people publicly express bad ideas, particularly when trying to convince others those bad ideas are correct, I criticize them.
A Protestant, of which I am one, damning a Catholic to hell is likely in worse shape spiritually than the Catholic they're condemning.
What I have always found fascinating is why people concern themselves with such thoughts. The Bible clearly says it is not our place to judge others. There is no way I can know God's thoughts or the relationship between God and a specific individual, so why should I speculate on how God will judge other people?