You keep ignoring the fact that Texas and Oklahoma had the most TV viewers, and will be gone soon, so the 2020 TV numbers for the Big 12 are irrelevant once the Longhorns and Sooners are gone. Again, you're comparing apples to oranges.
Remaining BIG 12(8) compared to other P5's in strength
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I am talking about ONLY the EXISTING BIG 12 members --8 schools no OU/UT involved.
The numbers are just as relevant as the lower 80% of every other conference if you took out their games against the top 20%.
If they are still power teams and they are, then so are BIG 12 squads.
Its not as though BIG 12 teams sans OU or UT won't be able to play any number of schools in other conferences that bring in those sort of viewers.
They aren't going to just be playing themselves and the traitors aren't the only schools that generate strong tv ratings. Many generate better ratings than those two did.
Also again, OU and UT only contributed to 16% of the games these schools played. Now the remaining membership will get the spotlight games for the BIG 12 conference--if they decide to continue on that is.
"According to an article released by blackandgoldbanneret.com (UCF SB Nation page), the Big 12 has averaged about 955,000 viewers in games not involving Oklahoma and Texas over the past three seasons. That number was reached by averaging the individual year average as opposed to going back and reviewing every game meaning the number may be off a few thousand."
"Yes, you read that correctly the Big 12 average is 955K while BYU’s is 1.11M."
Weird obsession some of these schools had.
WVU was falling victim to it.
TCU for one wasn’t like that when they came into the conference
Could stand on their own two feet
But are saying without Texas and OU no one is interested.
You also have an issue with the media companies
Do you understand that they can control how the game is watched. Meaning the sound of the crowd. They like to play with mics
WVU was falling victim to it.
TCU for one wasn’t like that when they came into the conference
Could stand on their own two feet
But are saying without Texas and OU no one is interested.
You also have an issue with the media companies
Do you understand that they can control how the game is watched. Meaning the sound of the crowd. They like to play with mics
There is a possibility of tiered shares that could be paid. That model has been rejected by the B10 as they have equal shares going to all members. Here is an example that clouds your numbers above. The Iowa Hawkeyes averaged 1.39M viewers per game last year while my Cyclones averaged 2.3M viewers per game. Clones had 65% more viewers on average. Even if you want to pull out the 6.5M viewers that watched the CCG & Fiesta bowl, the Clones averaged 1.74M viewers which is still 25% more per game. I will be interested in what the numbers look like this year. Good football will bring viewers.
Good football will bring viewers. OU averaged 3.2M viewers, and UT averaged 3.1M. 3rd in conf was ISU at 2.3M, and 4th was OSU at 2.2M.
Jibberish that means nothing. The Big12 is done as a respected Power Conference.
ACCept it!
ACC isn’t that far behind
You cannot admit reality.
Do you really think those schools who have the chance to be in the SEC will stay in the ACC even with making 50 million Dollars less on TV deals
Here are the last 3 years of ACTUAL BIG 12 viewing #s:
*numbers above in millions of viewers
There is ALOT of misinformation being spread about BIG 12 TV VIEWERS amongst the remaining membership
| BIG 12 | 2020 season viewers |
| 20.75 | - Oklahoma State (10) |
| 20.43 | - Iowa State (11) |
| 14.19 | - Kansas State (10) |
| 11.81 | - West Virginia (9) |
| 10.87 | - TCU (10) |
| 10.74 | - Texas Tech (8) |
| 8.02 | - Baylor (9) |
| 4.49 | - Kansas (8) |
| BIG 12 | 2019 season viewers |
| 34.01 | - Baylor (11) |
| 20.98 | - Oklahoma State (11) |
| 14.96 | - Iowa State (12) |
| 13.27 | - West Virginia (10) |
| 13.26 | - Kansas State (9) |
| 11.04 | - Texas Tech (10) |
| 9.96 | - TCU (9) |
| 4.70 | - Kansas (6) |
| BIG 12 | 2018 season viewers |
| 27.183 | - West Virginia (11) |
| 21.532 | - TCU (12) |
| 21.026 | - Oklahoma State (11) |
| 15.394 | - Iowa State (9) |
| 13.760 | - Texas Tech (10) |
| 11.080 | - Baylor (11) |
| 8.041 | - Kansas State (8) |
| 5.889 | - Kansas (6) |
There is ALOT of misinformation being spread about BIG 12 TV VIEWERS amongst the remaining membership
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Something always left out of other power conference #s as well:
All of their games ARE NOT RATED. Why? BECAUSE THEIR CONFERENCE NETWORK/TIER 3 GAMES RATE SO LOW THEY AREN'T INCLUDED in NEILSEN.
BTN games have started to be rated-, SECN, ACCN, PACN games are NOT.
IF these games were included it would DROP the ratings of all other power conference teams.
Meanwhile as you see above, nearly all BIG 12 games had been telecast and were therefore rated --top ones and bottom ones.
All of their games ARE NOT RATED. Why? BECAUSE THEIR CONFERENCE NETWORK/TIER 3 GAMES RATE SO LOW THEY AREN'T INCLUDED in NEILSEN.
BTN games have started to be rated-, SECN, ACCN, PACN games are NOT.
IF these games were included it would DROP the ratings of all other power conference teams.
Meanwhile as you see above, nearly all BIG 12 games had been telecast and were therefore rated --top ones and bottom ones.
BYU 2020 season viewers 7.95 million (10 games)
BYU 2019 season viewers 11.28 million (8 games)
So they'd actually appear to be in the bottom to lower few teams level of the existing BIG 12 membership.
BYU 2019 season viewers 11.28 million (8 games)
So they'd actually appear to be in the bottom to lower few teams level of the existing BIG 12 membership.
BIG 12'S STRENGTH WAS DEPTH. IT'S MIDDLING TEAMS WERE BETTER THAN OTHER CONFERENCES' MIDDLING TEAMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE CURRENT GAME OF CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT. NOTHING IS SET IN CONCRETE ANY MORE. WVU HAS GONE FROM SOUTHERN, TO INDEPENDENT, TO BIG EAST TO BIG 12. IT'S MAKING ME DIZZY TRYING TO KEEP UP. AND THEN IT CHANGES AGAIN.
Yes, makes you wish everyone was just independent. This false grouping of schools because someone decides this or that one is more valuable just because and then they make sure to only promote that school or schools is destroying the fanbases that pay all the bills in the first place.
No one else, besides you, thought Big12 football had any strengths. Homers are adorable.
This is not true in any way shape or form.
What is wrong with you trolls? Meds wearing off? Give it a flipping rest.
you go to other schools boards and people can actually discuss things. Here disturbed, sick individuals try to derail every thread and chase away every poster and spread disinformation that hurts WVU.
fing disgrace.
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FAN BASES DO NOT PAY ALL THE BILLS. TV DOES. WHICH IS WHY TV CALLS THE SHOTS. FOLLOW THE MONEY. WVU WENT FROM $10 MILLION TO $40 MILLION BECAUSE TV PAID MORE TO THE BIG 12 THAN THE BIG EAST. NOT BECAUSE OF FANBASE MONEY. SEASON TICKETS, PARKING PASSES AND MAC DONATIONS BY YOU AND ME WOULD NOT KEEP ANY SCHOOL AFLOAT. NOT EVEN CLOSE. TV BIG BUCKS ARE A MUST TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE.
Once you get past your triggered emotional breakdown we can chat. No one cares about flyover hicktown, USA. That’s not my opinion @buckarear. If you’re that much of a homer you can’t be helped. There’s a reason the Big12 is imploding for like the 4th time. Maybe I’m a bit direct but the Big12 sucks so bad Texas and Oklahoma said bye bye. Homers never ACCept reality.
And where does tv get the money to pay the bills? The fanbase that advertisers can market to. Its all connected.
Of course schools need to maintain their P5 level payouts to be competitive--at least to build facilities and pay staff. But i.e. Clemson is the lowest paid major current top program and they are not only in the playoffs every year but also in and have won championships. So money isn't everything--look at Texas, highest paid anywhere and very lackluster on the field.
None of your dot connecting means anything. If it did your beloved Big12 wouldn’t have lost the only two programs that matter.
Facts still matter, despite your lies.
Unfortunately some like yourself have no morals or integrity.
And far more than two programs matter--they are just being played to attempt to send their value somewhere else because someone can't afford the bill for what they are trying to buy.
Wow! You’re a train wreck! You only appear when expansion takes place. Then you post every talkin heads take and act like you know something more than the next fanboy with your on opinions
. Dude if you think Texas and Oklahoma weren’t the true Big12 value nationally you really are a f’n moron. Let’s bump this with the end result of Texas and Oklahoma leaving. If the Big12 was respected the only two big boys would not have left. Hey quick trivia question for you.
What is the only Power5 Conference without a CFP win?
You’re a moron fanboy.
You are an idiot.Wow! You’re a train wreck! You only appear when expansion takes place. Then you post every talkin heads take and act like you know something more than the next fanboy with your on opinions
Hey quick trivia question for you.
What is the only Power5 Conference without a CFP win?
You’re a moron fanboy.
But everyone knew that.
College football is in flux, OU and UT are not the beginning or end of anything except their own overinflated opinion of themselves- much like yourself.
Why does Bucky always have to be a dummy
The Big 12 was a front the entire time…
It was to get Oklahoma. Missouri somehow fell in their lap as well.
Out of it came a destroyed Nebraska who ended up in the B1G
SEC ended up with 4 schools.
Wasn’t something that was suppose to last.
Disagree with somethings though. Out of the Big 12 came inventive offenses and now we are seeing that on the defensive end. Product of the state of Texas
Now that is in the SEC. Been in there for awhile.
Those games look like Big 12 football
The Big 12 was a front the entire time…
It was to get Oklahoma. Missouri somehow fell in their lap as well.
Out of it came a destroyed Nebraska who ended up in the B1G
SEC ended up with 4 schools.
Wasn’t something that was suppose to last.
Disagree with somethings though. Out of the Big 12 came inventive offenses and now we are seeing that on the defensive end. Product of the state of Texas
Now that is in the SEC. Been in there for awhile.
Those games look like Big 12 football
All worthless chitter chatter.
B1G controls college football. Watch them and what they do. It will tell you all you all you need to know. Fox is going to be the dominant player here.
B1G controls college football. Watch them and what they do. It will tell you all you all you need to know. Fox is going to be the dominant player here.
We will see
They have already started pushing a certain narrative in Texas
Even with Baylor being left behind they just beat out Michigan on a very good LB recruit.
What you see in Louisiana could happen in Texas
Pretty much the SEC/local teams fencing in their last state
The move by the SEC was to keep schools out of Texas
The question becomes California.
I don’t know if they are trolls or what but a lot of SC fans are pretty much saying they would rather watch SEC football and have given up on their own
Will be hard for the B1G if they are losing out in the states that have the talent
They have already started pushing a certain narrative in Texas
Even with Baylor being left behind they just beat out Michigan on a very good LB recruit.
What you see in Louisiana could happen in Texas
Pretty much the SEC/local teams fencing in their last state
The move by the SEC was to keep schools out of Texas
The question becomes California.
I don’t know if they are trolls or what but a lot of SC fans are pretty much saying they would rather watch SEC football and have given up on their own
Will be hard for the B1G if they are losing out in the states that have the talent
Still in denial for all to see. You’ll see shortly your definition of “over inflation” makes you a typical fanboy. Big12 is adding joke programs and signing lower money deal or done. In either case you prove to be the doofus once again expansion boy.
With all the chatter from clueless posters, looks like Michigan is going to have a big time Texas recruit commit to Michigan in the coming days. Makes like 2 or 3 now.
Who?
The big WR going to Georgia now.
The LB committed to Baylor today. Texas was interested in him but passed him over.
If you are talking about the big WR he is heading to UGA
Tell that to your lil buddy trying to derail yet another thread and lashing out like a five yr old.
Guess he is upset no ones buying his agenda? Not sure.