We had the guts to fire JoeMo after winning the egg bowl and losing the Music City Bowl? If it was right then, why not now?
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Lebby has a lower approval rate now than Moorhead did then, and it was pretty overwhelming then.
And it's understandable. Moorhead was 14-12 instead of 7-18.
And it's understandable. Moorhead was 14-12 instead of 7-18.
Because that time period didn’t involve NIL and this short portal window in January. You can’t make a coaching change on January 3rd anymore. You won’t have a functional roster your first year. It’s a set up for failure, both for the school and a new coach.
Can we stop acting like these guys walked into remotely similar situations?
Moorhead literally inherited the number one defense in the country and a really well run program, which he allowed to turn into an absolute circus to the point our future NFL linebacker broke our quarterback’s face before our bowl game.
Lebby hasn’t been good, but the situations are not similar in any way.
I'm not pretending they're the same - Moorhead did less with more, and Lebby has somehow done less with less.
I'm just saying that I understood why some of our fans supported giving Moorhead another year. I can't wrap my head around why a tiny sliver of our fanbase thinks Lebby deserves another year.
Did we have a functional roster this year?
We had a roster that was good enough to be 8-4, so probably.
Yeah. If we were going to fire him it would have been in November. Too late now.
It’s exactly why the LSU/Ole Miss/Kiffin thing turned into such a fiasco. It couldn’t wait until January 3rd. LSU needed to know who their 2016 coach was by mid December. Ole Miss did too. Otherwise you are looking at a calamity. You can’t be making head coaching moves in late December or January. You risk losing your ENTIRE roster! Literally your ENTIRE roster potentially. And you then have to wait until after the NEXT football season to start repopulating it.
Moorhead had totally lost the team/locker room. There was obviously zero discipline on that team in addition to being incompetent offensively.
Lebby & staff appear to be just incompetent. I think the team likes & respects Lebby.
Moorhead inherited a much better situation. He underachieved by at least two games each year.
Lebby & staff appear to be just incompetent. I think the team likes & respects Lebby.
Moorhead inherited a much better situation. He underachieved by at least two games each year.
Because UMiss hired Golding, not the next Kiffin.
We wouldn’t have fired JoMo if UMiss had stuck with Luke, sadly…
Lebby has probably unachieved by 2 games each year too. A good coach wouldn't have lost to Toledo at all (at the very least wouldn't have gotten humiliated by them), and probably finds an SEC win at some point in 2024. And this year, there were plenty of opportunities for more wins - Tennessee, Florida, Texas, potentially Missouri, etc.
A roster good enough to be 8-4 with a coach good enough to be 3-9 and it combined to a 5-8 record.
They are both at the same level of suck. The direction Moorhead was taking the program, we were probably looking 0-10 or maybe 1-9 with a victory over Derek Mason’s equally incompetent Vandy squad In 2020. Unfortunately, that is the exact level Lebby has the program now. Did Lebby inherit a bad situation? Yes. Has he improved the situation to the point where the fanbase has confidence that he is the guy to more the program forward? Only a very small minority has any faith in him and whatever good will he had late September has been pissed away.
He should have been fired Black Friday 2025 because it was apparent to anyone with one eye and half a brain that 2026 was going to suck with him.
Tennessee underperformed this year, just like we did. Talent is correlated to wins, but not perfectly.
We were 1 1/2 - 2 years behind everyone else in the SEC getting going on NIL….we had some talent at starting positions, but no where near the depth other SEC programs had.
Because we now have a reputation for not being patient with football coaches. Maybe that doesn’t really matter if you’re Tennessee or LSU or even Auburn. When you have the smallest football budget in the SEC, you’re already deemed “a tough job.” We’ve always cheaped-out on new coaches. Add impatient administration to the mix and you become a very unappealing job opening.
Next season shouldn’t be so crazy with the coaching carousel. And maybe another Sumrall or Morris emerges from the G5. And we can say, “look we left Lebby alone for three seasons and gave him millions of dollars for NIL.” We did our part.
Moorhead did not simply inherit a better situation. He inherited one of the best situations in school history including 3 first round draft picks on defense - two of whom went on to the pro bowl. Those guys held Iowa to negative rush yards and 199 pass yards, and we still lost that game.
Lebby's performance is poor, but if you can't see a difference in their trajectories, I don't know what to tell you.
ETA: Abram may not have panned out in the NFL, but he's one of the baddest mothers I can remember, shout out to Nickoe.
Lebby's performance is poor, but if you can't see a difference in their trajectories, I don't know what to tell you.
ETA: Abram may not have panned out in the NFL, but he's one of the baddest mothers I can remember, shout out to Nickoe.
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