Repeal the Second Amendment

[Mntneer]

In my head, I don't categorize the recent one in MD (just a couple miles from where I used to live/work) as a "school shooting" really even though it did happen in a school. It seemed more along the lines of lover's quarrel or domestic violence that played out in a school.

It might be a distinction without a difference.

Exactly. A kid goes on a stabbing spree at a school and it gets no coverage, but it's a school rampage where a student attempts to randomly kill or hurt other students.

A suicide though in the parking lot by a teacher? Or a bullet fired off site flying through the window? Those shouldn't be classified as school shootings.

So it's only a school shooting when it fits your definition and multiple fatalities take place? Fear doesn't count? Ok......

Yes. Fear doesn't factor. Fear doesn't provide the data to develop solutions.

 

[moe]

Remember, as one poster has stated, the deaths of a few dozen kids is not "significant enough" to spark outrage for change...........

heartwarming post by that person

 

[MountaineerWV]

Yes. Fear doesn't factor. Fear doesn't provide the data to develop solutions.

So, fear doesn't develop in to solutions? You really want to take that position?????? Think long and hard.......

 

[Mntneer]

So, fear doesn't develop in to solutions? You really want to take that position?????? Think long and hard.......

No... emotions don't solve problems. Logic and reason does.

 

[Boomboom521]

No... emotions don't solve problems. Logic and reason does.

 

[Mntneer]

Damn...... you win.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

This is another prime example of ignorance from many of the anti-gunners.

1st, the AR isn't the only rifle capable of these things.

You obviously didn’t read the text of the 1994 ban. They named specific models and calibers as well as other aspects. I’m not an anti-gunner. I own guns, a lot of them.

But go on telling us how stupid we are when weapons experts have told us civilians have no business owning weapons designed for military combat and children continue to get massacred and nothing is done. Who are the stupid ones?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Exactly. A kid goes on a stabbing spree at a school and it gets no coverage

No... emotions don't solve problems. Logic and reason does.

Ironic!

 

[bornaneer]

heartwarming post by that person

I bet people in Chicago love you.......since you care sooooooo much about them.
Final 2017 Totals
Shot & Killed: 625
Total Shot: 3561

2018 Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 93
Total Shot: 519
2018 Chicago Shot Clock

 

[MountaineerWV]

Ironic!

opcorn:

 

[Boomboom521]

I bet people in Chicago love you.......since you care sooooooo much about them.
Final 2017 Totals
Shot & Killed: 625
Total Shot: 3561

2018 Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 93
Total Shot: 519
2018 Chicago Shot Clock

Why do you think this is a point that doesn’t call to shame all of us....left or right?

 

[30CAT]

You obviously didn’t read the text of the 1994 ban. They named specific models and calibers as well as other aspects. I’m not an anti-gunner. I own guns, a lot of them.

But go on telling us how stupid we are when weapons experts have told us civilians have no business owning weapons designed for military combat and children continue to get massacred and nothing is done. Who are the stupid ones?

Weapons experts? The average gun owner can poke many holes in the logic of the weapons ban of the 90s. Sorry, but these obvious partisan "weapons experts" you speak of show too much ignorance in their definition of an "assault weapon"....most of it is based on looks and only party voters can't see it.

How would YOU define an "assault weapon?" I mean, if YOU were forced into battle, would your weapon of choice be a semi-automatic AR-15 versus what a typical military uses? If so, how do you think you'd do? If not, why not?

 

[moe]

I bet people in Chicago love you.......since you care sooooooo much about them.
Final 2017 Totals
Shot & Killed: 625
Total Shot: 3561

2018 Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 93
Total Shot: 519
2018 Chicago Shot Clock

zero idea what you're talking about

 

[30CAT]

I had a 308 that I was a pretty damn good shot with. It didn't look that that either. LOL

The only difference is looks, which is my point.

 

[Mntneer]

opcorn:

He doesn't understand Irony, nor does he have solid reading compression skills.

 

[bornaneer]

Why do you think this is a point that doesn’t call to shame all of us....left or right?

Have you seen CNN,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,ABC and many other media outlets do daily and hourly reports on the ONGOING carnage? Maybe I missed the roundtable Dan Rather had on the subject.

 

[Mntneer]

... when weapons experts have told us civilians have no business owning weapons designed for military combat ....

 

[Boomboom521]

Have you seen CNN,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,ABC and many other media outlets do daily and hourly reports on the ONGOING carnage? Maybe I missed the roundtable Dan Rather had on the subject.

No. I don’t watch tv news. I read.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Remember, as one poster has stated, the deaths of a few dozen kids is not "significant enough" to spark outrage for change...........

In a population of 300+ million, while tragic and disgusting at the extreme horror of the evil, it doesn't spark outrage to the point of amending a constitutionally protected freedom.

I mean, if YOU were forced into battle, would your weapon of choice be a semi-automatic AR-15 versus what a typical military uses?

Minus the 3 round burst, it's basically the same weapon. You aren't taught to use the 3 rnd burst like it was back in Nam where it was overwhelming fire. We have transitioned to more fundamental precision firing.

To the point though, my weapon of choice in combat is and will always be a modified M14. 1" MOA at 300 meters. Never been a weapon created as effective as the M14. Oh, and it doesn't qualify as an Assault Rifle.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't get it.

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't get it.

Don’t tell Rocky that heart ain’t a part of the equation

Or mick

 

[atlkvb]

Weapons experts? The average gun owner can poke many holes in the logic of the weapons ban of the 90s. Sorry, but these obvious partisan "weapons experts" you speak of show too much ignorance in their definition of an "assault weapon"....most of it is based on looks and only party voters can't see it.

How would YOU define an "assault weapon?" I mean, if YOU were forced into battle, would your weapon of choice be a semi-automatic AR-15 versus what a typical military uses? If so, how do you think you'd do? If not, why not?

You WON'T get an answer...just more emotional outbursts like this

go on telling us how stupid we are when weapons experts have told us civilians have no business owning weapons designed for military combat and children continue to get massacred and nothing is done

 

[atlkvb]

Don’t tell Rocky that heart ain’t a part of the equation

Or mick

Or Pitt or Marshall fans!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Don’t tell Rocky that heart ain’t a part of the equation

Or mick

Holy ****. Ok, I get what you are trying to say and mad props for the gif. I still don't believe in allowing emotion to override logic and reason. It can be an influence mechanism right up until the point it's in conflict with logic and reason.

 

[Boomboom521]

Holy ****. Ok, I get what you are trying to say and mad props for the gif. I still don't believe in allowing emotion to override logic and reason. It can be an influence mechanism right up until the point it's in conflict with logic and reason.

Passion is always a part of political activism isn’t it?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Passion is always a part of political activism isn’t it?

Activism does not provide solutions to problems. It compels discussion to seek a solution however the solution should never been influenced by the activism or “passion”.

Again, I’m not trying to stifle conversation, quite the contrary. I’m of the opinion both positions should be allowed without censorship.

 

[Boomboom521]

Activism does not provide solutions to problems. It compels discussion to seek a solution however the solution should never been influenced by the activism or “passion”.

Again, I’m not trying to stifle conversation, quite the contrary. I’m of the opinion both positions should be allowed without censorship.

I doubt the status quo would have ever changed without the element of passion

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I doubt the status quo would have ever changed without the element of passion

Passion drives change, it does not solve problems.

 

[MountaineerWV]

In a population of 300+ million, while tragic and disgusting at the extreme horror of the evil, it doesn't spark outrage to the point of amending a constitutionally protected freedom.

Would you say alcohol is now "constitutionally protected"?

 

[Boomboom521]

Passion drives change, it does not solve problems.

Chicken and egg

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Would you say alcohol is now "constitutionally protected"?

If you want to consider alcohol as a constitutionally protected freedom in the same vein as speech and guns, more power to you. In the legal sense, no, it’s freedom from prohibition is constitutionally protected.

Great job on providing an example constitutionally speaking which invalidates the entire gun control argument.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Chicken and egg

It’s not at all.

Problem, perceived or real. Passion for change. Logical and reasoned approach to solution.

 

[MountaineerWV]

If you want to consider alcohol as a constitutionally protected freedom in the same vein as speech and guns, more power to you. In the legal sense, no, it’s freedom from prohibition is constitutionally protected.

Great job on providing an example constitutionally speaking which invalidates the entire gun control argument.

Are bartenders held responsible for serving noticeably drunk customers more alcohol? And for allowing them to leave on their own?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Are bartenders held responsible for serving noticeably drunk customers more alcohol? And for allowing them to leave on their own?

Yep.

You want to go after gun dealers who sell notcieably violent or unstable people firearms? Go for it.

I believe there was a study where the Govt tried to do an undercover action to purchase illegally and it produced zero examples and actually some of the dealers reported the individuals.

 

[Boomboom521]

It’s not at all.

Problem, perceived or real. Passion for change. Logical and reasoned approach to solution.

I agree completely that logic makes solutions work.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Are bartenders held responsible for serving noticeably drunk customers more alcohol? And for allowing them to leave on their own?

I’ll even expound. I’d be ok with a waiting period be initiated on all “new” purchases. Hard to implement with the “gun show” loophole. I’ll add, of the “solutions” mentioned, closing that loop might be one of the things I’m most vehemently against.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I agree completely that logic makes solutions work.

Shouldn’t that always be the goal? And would you agree passion often times stymies the ability to apply logic?

 

[Boomboom521]

Shouldn’t that always be the goal? And would you agree passion often times stymies the ability to apply logic?

I believe in balance. Yes

 

[bornaneer]

zero idea what you're talking about

zero idea what you're talking about

Really......what number are you disputing? Those facts bother you?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Weapons experts? The average gun owner can poke many holes in the logic of the weapons ban of the 90s. Sorry, but these obvious partisan "weapons experts" you speak of show too much ignorance in their definition of an "assault weapon"....most of it is based on looks and only party voters can't see it.

These weapons experts are Army Rangers and Special Forces. Good to know you think Rangers and Special Forces are ignorant. LOL!