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GORU2014

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Scangg said:
Not trying to be a downer but don't they usually say it's the entire body of work not who is playing well end of season?
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Correct. Somebody could probably make a reasonable argument that they might subconsciously or secretly reward teams with late peaks but the “official” policy is whole body.
 
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Danprusa_4

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Let’s not jump to conclusions. Let’s just take it one game at a time and hope we can come up with wins. We’ll let the committee do all that for us.
 
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Actually they have historically considered late season efforts and even injuries. Recall what occurred when kenyon martin got hurt. Body of work yes--but trending also
 
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Ru-baby

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Dont recall defvinitive indictations--guess we will see A few more ranked wins and it will be put to the test.
 
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ru-baby said:
Actually they have historically considered late season efforts and even injuries. Recall what occurred when kenyon martin got hurt. Body of work yes--but trending also
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Wrong..injuries can be considered...finish is not
 
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We bring this effort and efficiency next 8, I don't think we will have to worry about resumes. The results will speak for themselves. Our Offensive Efficiency released on Bart Torvik, 138.6. Defense 97.0.
Rim 11-15, Mid 12-17, 2pt 23-32, 3pt 9-20.
Reiber scored 12pts, 2ast in 10 minutes.
 
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It’s body of work.
That being said, RU had a gauntlet at the end of the year. By default a strong finish would bolster their resume a lot. MSU was a great matchup for us. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This is till the same team that continues to start slow on the road
 
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4 - 4 these last 8 and a win in the conference tournament usually would put us squarely on the bubble. But let’s face it the B1G tournament performance recently has been way down and I don’t think the B1G gets that many teams in this year. So that said I think we have to go 5 - 3 and a win or two in the B1G tournament to get in.
 
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bac2therac said:
a win at Indiana is almost better than a win over Ohio State at the RAC

we need to split Indiana and Michigan I think
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If we don’t get another road win I can’t see how we’re in. 2 road wins would be big. 1 of Michigan/Indiana and some neutral wins in the conference tourney could be enough.
 
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RU MAN said:
Man, this team is Jekyll and Hyde. Today, what a GREAT COMPLETE game. This IMO was their best game of the season. But can they follow this up with a win over OSU? We're too inconsistent.

But man-o-man what a GREAT WIN today!
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Consistency has been lacking all season resulting in embarrassing losses against out of conference opponents and some bottom ranked Big Ten rivals and great wins against Purdue.Michigan,Iowa and Michigan State.With eight games remaIning Rutgers must win at least five games to hava 18-12 record at the end of the season and 12-8 league record.
 
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RU MAN

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RUJMM78 said:
Consistency has been lacking all season resulting in embarrassing losses against out of conference opponents and some bottom ranked Big Ten rivals and great wins against Purdue.Michigan,Iowa and Michigan State.With eight games remaIning Rutgers must win at least five games to hava 18-12 record at the end of the season and 12-8 league record.
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I couldn't agree more. The key though is can this team find 5 more wins in them? If they mirror what we saw today, then yes. If we mirror the 24 point deficit against Northwestern, or the UMASS collapse or the Lafayette debacle, then obviously no.
 
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The question is can Paul continue to play like this? When he is in the zone he makes everyone better and we get easy buckets from him and dunks for Cliff. Easy buckets are so key and keep us from going on scoring droughts. Inside out passes for threes which are the easiest looks you get

If he even plays 75% as good we will win games. One thing we do know is that Paul has the effort and mindset to want to bring it game after game. This bodes well
 
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Scangg said:
The question is can Paul continue to play like this? When he is in the zone he makes everyone better and we get easy buckets from him and dunks for Cliff. Easy buckets are so key and keep us from going on scoring droughts. Inside out passes for threes which are the easiest looks you get

If he even plays 75% as good we will win games. One thing we do know is that Paul has the effort and mindset to want to bring it game after game. This bodes well
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Our major problem was an inability to create easy shots. Mulcahy is solving that, at least for the past three halves.
 
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Ru-baby

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Not accurate that it's ONLY a complete body of work. So much of that is committe speak when dealing with tough choices and explantions which us usaully easy to decipher.

See numerous committe quotes however that "the eye test" is a component. If a team is wilting toward the end and not passing the "eye test", then it's tough for them. Thus, if they have great november wins and dont pass the eye test in february, they are likley going top struggle to be in. Hence-a wilting team is factored absolutely in selection.

By the same token, a hot team in February who is passing the eye test, DOES have their momentum and culmination work considered. It's just inaccurate to say otherwise. Of course the committee doesnt say we take hot teams and dont care about results. But their eye test-not in november but at tourney time-tells us just that, they consider it. Argue all one might but it's part of the consideration.
 
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ru-baby said:
Not accurate that it's ONLY a complete body of work. So much of that is committe speak when dealing with tough choices and explantions which us usaully easy to decipher.

See numerous committe quotes however that "the eye test" is a component. If a team is wilting toward the end and not passing the "eye test", then it's tough for them. Thus, if they have great november wins and dont pass the eye test in february, they are likley going top struggle to be in. Hence-a wilting team is factored absolutely in selection.

By the same token, a hot team in February who is passing the eye test, DOES have their momentum and culmination work considered. It's just inaccurate to say otherwise. Of course the committee doesnt say we take hot teams and dont care about results. But their eye test-not in november but at tourney time-tells us just that, they consider it. Argue all one might but it's part of the consideration.
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you are wrong

 
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The RUT

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Top half of the B1G. That’s what needs to happen.

If that does happen, we’re likely looking at being in the play-in games
 
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GORU2014

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ru-baby said:
Not accurate that it's ONLY a complete body of work. So much of that is committe speak when dealing with tough choices and explantions which us usaully easy to decipher.

See numerous committe quotes however that "the eye test" is a component. If a team is wilting toward the end and not passing the "eye test", then it's tough for them. Thus, if they have great november wins and dont pass the eye test in february, they are likley going top struggle to be in. Hence-a wilting team is factored absolutely in selection.

By the same token, a hot team in February who is passing the eye test, DOES have their momentum and culmination work considered. It's just inaccurate to say otherwise. Of course the committee doesnt say we take hot teams and dont care about results. But their eye test-not in november but at tourney time-tells us just that, they consider it. Argue all one might but it's part of the consideration.
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What you’re saying hasn’t been confirmed anywhere for a number of years. The NET weights early season and late season games equally (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...ollege-basketballs-net-rankings-explained?amp) and eye test/late season momentum aren’t listed as factors anywhere that I’ve seen (https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-uses-to-compare-ncaa-tournament-resumes/amp/ is pretty comprehensive).

Like bac said, we may see more of an impact on our NET and resume from late season games just by nature of our conference being so difficult, but end of season momentum hasn’t been a known key consideration for a number of years now.
 
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Ru-baby

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Again, has the comittee sworn off the eye test---dont believe so.

I know this affects the absoluteness of the number crunching and net, but it is there.

Suppose a team has 5-7 top twenty wins through january and goes winless in february and their conference tourney----That momentum isnt considered but if their net held on they are in?

Numbers count and the bracketology can go on and i know I'm touching a third rail for some---but reality is that there's more though and the eye test at seasons end is a part-a non quantifiable part.
 
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ru-baby said:
Again, has the comittee sworn off the eye test---dont believe so.

I know this affects the absoluteness of the number crunching and net, but it is there.

Suppose a team has 5-7 top twenty wins through january and goes winless in february and their conference tourney----That momentum isnt considered but if their net held on they are in?

Numbers count and the bracketology can go on and i know I'm touching a third rail for some---but reality is that there's more though and the eye test at seasons end is a part-a non quantifiable part.
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You’re just ignoring all evidence and statements otherwise because you want it to be true. They do not openly acknowledge season finishes as a data point anymore and per bac’s link they haven’t since 2012. The “eye test” you’re referencing is outdated and no longer exists to anyone’s knowledge. Early season games and late season games are weighted equally and things like road/neutral wins, quad 1/2 wins, and avoiding quad 3/4 losses are more important.
 
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Just have to look on the bright side - this gauntlet we are facing is just the opportunity we need

with the hit our rating took by those early season debacles it will take several more high level wins to increase our rating to a point where the ncaa is a possibility

if our remaining schedule was a bunch of games against nebraska those wins wouldn’t move the needle
 
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ru-baby said:
Not accurate that it's ONLY a complete body of work. So much of that is committe speak when dealing with tough choices and explantions which us usaully easy to decipher.

See numerous committe quotes however that "the eye test" is a component. If a team is wilting toward the end and not passing the "eye test", then it's tough for them. Thus, if they have great november wins and dont pass the eye test in february, they are likley going top struggle to be in. Hence-a wilting team is factored absolutely in selection.

By the same token, a hot team in February who is passing the eye test, DOES have their momentum and culmination work considered. It's just inaccurate to say otherwise. Of course the committee doesnt say we take hot teams and dont care about results. But their eye test-not in november but at tourney time-tells us just that, they consider it. Argue all one might but it's part of the consideration.
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Bac knows his sh$t here.
 
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Danprusa_4 said:
Let’s not jump to conclusions. Let’s just take it one game at a time and hope we can come up with wins. We’ll let the committee do all that for us.
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We aren’t players or coaches so taking it one game at a time doesn’t mean anything .
 
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Any eye test comes when committees watch games late in the season orvin conference tourneys. There will always be a subjective element at some point in the process. Explicitly there are criteria to be followed. What seperates that last school getting from getting out rests with each committee member

Rutgers has alot of negatives on the resume. They need to win as much as possible to make these losses seem more like outliers. Unfortunately that Lafayette loss is the real killer right now
 
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