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Well, it was not the first time we missed a week. It won't be the last. I promise.

I have to admit, this has been a miserable season for ranking teams. There just seems to be a clear top 5 teams. Then there is sort of the rest, which are close enough that controversy is little.

I'm not going to mention last week, and my introduction of the ties. I've decided that I'm going to allow ranking members the ability to do so. It just adds something different. Last week, several of us voted ties, this week, just Godfather. It has not really made a difference yet. That said, i think it will really change a few things up next week.

This week, we finally get an ESCC team, too. Welcome M-Wrist

I'm jet-lagged as hell. So analysis is reduced tot a sentence this week. It's just the way life goes.

Wait...what the hell happened to LWE?

9.91 - M-Wrist: That week 1 loss to Rice looks better and better...esp if M-Wrist takes down LA this weekend.

9.82 - Bourbon-A: Really? over M-Wrist? Due to an upset? I expected more from the panel even if Bourbon -A is undefeated...Bones told me they are horrible....In any case, Bourbon-A get more than one sentence because this is their inaugural DSR appearance. Congrats.

7.73 - Hins-C: Honestly, I don't care much for the 248/111 PF/PA ratio...they're just numbers, but I'm wondering whether OPRF with their 286/125 pulls off the W this week.Either way, I see Hins-C winning three in the playoffs.

--From Here down, rankings are the same as last week...just in case you were wondering--

7.36 - P-Ridge: Amazingly, here is P-Ridge's avg DSR this season: 7.36, 7.64, 7.73, 7.82, 9.45, 10.91, and 10.00. Clearly we had no clue what we were doing week 1 with the 10.00...it should obviously have been 11.31.

6.45 - P-Tine: Do you believe in the offense enough, that is the question. It's that simple. They've put up 313 this season. The 21-14 win over fremd makes me nervous. Fremd has Dean's favorite cheerleaders, or did three seasons ago.

5.82- Neek-Val: In the end, looks like the Neek is the toughest in the DVC. I'm just not sure the DVC was a tough as we thought it would be this season. Neek finishes with a tough week 9 against a two loss GBN team that is solid and can score...i love this week 9 game, second best on the slate IMO.

4.00 - Bro-Rice: This team has scored 388 points and now plays the team with the second best defense over the last 5 seasons (G-Dub the #1 D, IMO). Best game on the slate. I'm taking LA because Tommy is hot.

3.18 - Aych-Ef: With 358/84 PF/PA this season and once again being undefeated, it's hard not to put HF at 2...but there is no longer a signature win on their schedule. Semis....LA...great game...

2.27 - B-Side: here you go captian, I'll lead off with an absurd defensive stat: B-Side's given up only 41 points through 8 games. Four shut outs in the last 5. High given up this season was 28 to Mizzu's number 1 team - also handing that team their only loss this season. Other voters can give you their opinion, I gave my 1 vote to LA simply because they've had a more difficult total schedule. that said, B-Side clearly has the better single win. The problem is, I just don't know a ton about Mizzu football like i used to.

1.09 - El-Ay: El-Ay's single biggest lead at the top spot since week 1. Wow, what a treat we have week nine...kudos to the CCL for mixing up the sched this season...we got a doozy to send us out of the regular season and into the playoffs.

Best of luck to all the 4 loss teams busting their *** for one more win!

Here's the ballot:

 
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Glad it's back! Had me worried. As always gents, appreciate the effort that goes into this.

Love seeing the inclusion of BB, that's the spirit of the DSR I always enjoyed. Big win, undefeated; deserves recognition. Surprised we didn't see that hurt HF somewhat as it diminishes their signature win. Also surprised we didn't see Palatine jump with their second signature win of the season. I'd probably have switched HF/Palatine this week for those reasons alone. Can't argue with the rest.
 
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stonedlizard said:
Glad it's back! Had me worried. As always gents, appreciate the effort that goes into this.

Love seeing the inclusion of BB, that's the spirit of the DSR I always enjoyed. Big win, undefeated; deserves recognition. Surprised we didn't see that hurt HF somewhat as it diminishes their signature win. Also surprised we didn't see Palatine jump with their second signature win of the season. I'd probably have switched HF/Palatine this week for those reasons alone. Can't argue with the rest.
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all good points...most years, i think you see what u suggest...it"s just a log jam now.
 
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I know it doesn't matter in the rankings JC but I have SCE at 10. My reason is they still have 2 wins vs undefeateds. That's better than BB's 1.
 
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Note also that the ESL win over CBC was their second game and CBC's third. That extra week of refinement makes a difference.
 
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I had to put 8-0 Bradley in after beating team that was in DSR all year long and quite convincingly; more then HF
 
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stonedlizard said:
Glad it's back! Had me worried. As always gents, appreciate the effort that goes into this.

Love seeing the inclusion of BB, that's the spirit of the DSR I always enjoyed. Big win, undefeated; deserves recognition. Surprised we didn't see that hurt HF somewhat as it diminishes their signature win. Also surprised we didn't see Palatine jump with their second signature win of the season. I'd probably have switched HF/Palatine this week for those reasons alone. Can't argue with the rest.
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I jumped Palatine to 4
 
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Defense, Defense!

Throwing all of those shutouts is tough when you have a quick strike offense. Total respect for what ESL has accomplished and look forward to a possible visit to Duchon (no offense Dean, but if MC beats GW in round 2 [too many assumptions], everyone has to travel five hours). I look forward to seeing the ESL machine up close and personal.
 
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Neq I will move up over PR with a win over GBN. Believe it or not Neq only has 1 win vs a team with a winning record right now. PR has slid a spot last 2 weeks for me with SOS. finish reg season for me at probly 8, I think that is fair. At end of playoffs will just have to assess everything on where to place them. They still have that nice W over Cary on resume'
 
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"Return of the Dark Side ... Rankings...one more left"

Aren't there 2 left? Next week and EOS?
 
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GBN going to beat NV. Should throw the DSR into a sidespin.
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Agree with that. I have seen every DVC team live and in person except Wheaton North and I honestly believe GBN is the most talented team. Problem is I'm not sure they have a ton of depth and I don't know what their health status is. Also - can they put together 4 quarters of Football?

Im picking GBN over NV.
 
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"6.45 - P-Tine: Do you believe in the offense enough, that is the question. It's that simple. They've put up 313 this season. The 21-14 win over fremd makes me nervous. Fremd has Dean's favorite cheerleaders, or did three seasons ago."

-- Shoudn't worry about the Fremd game; it's always a non-representative game. Heck, last year's team that lost by 2 to Loyola lost to Fremd by 30. It's such an intense rivalry game that it takes on a character all it's own. Take out the 8 point win over Stevenson and the 7 point win over Fremd, Palatine's average margin of victory is 29 points.

And I gotta say, no one gives Palatine's defense enough credit. Games are organic and Palatine's defense is great at adjustments. Stevenson game was 20-14 Stevie at halftime, wound up 28-20 Palatine..shut out second half with several key stops deep in P'ville territory. Barrington game was 28-21 at the half, and 49-21 late in the 4th quarter before Barrington got a late touchdown. Again, totally shut down in second half until game was long ago decided. Fremd game was 7-0 Fremd early second quarter, then was 21-7 Palatine before Fremd scored a late touchdown with 1:37 left in the game.

Last year, OPRF game was 35-19 at half, 41-26 final; Brother Rice led Palatine 17-0 at the half, lost 28-24. Notice a trend? They routinely shut offenses down in the second half, while their offense often explodes.

I've bit my tongue a bit so far, but after that Barrington game I really, truly believe this team has a very good chance of playing late on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Chad Maxwell from CN100 tweeted that Palatine was the "most complete" team he'd covered this year, and I went back thru his twitter feed and saw that he'd covered Glenbard West, Hinsdale Central, Phillips, West Aurora, Waubonsee Valley, Glenbard North, Brother Rice and Marist.

So, given all that less than scientific analysis, I agree with Dean that they should be no less than #4.
 
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JCHILLTOPPERS said:
Well, it was not the first time we missed a week. It won't be the last. I promise.

I have to admit, this has been a miserable season for ranking teams. There just seems to be a clear top 5 teams. Then there is sort of the rest, which are close enough that controversy is little.

I'm not going to mention last week, and my introduction of the ties. I've decided that I'm going to allow ranking members the ability to do so. It just adds something different. Last week, several of us voted ties, this week, just Godfather. It has not really made a difference yet. That said, i think it will really change a few things up next week.

This week, we finally get an ESCC team, too. Welcome M-Wrist

I'm jet-lagged as hell. So analysis is reduced tot a sentence this week. It's just the way life goes.

Wait...what the hell happened to LWE?

9.91 - M-Wrist: That week 1 loss to Rice looks better and better...esp if M-Wrist takes down LA this weekend.

9.82 - Bourbon-A: Really? over M-Wrist? Due to an upset? I expected more from the panel even if Bourbon -A is undefeated...Bones told me they are horrible....In any case, Bourbon-A get more than one sentence because this is their inaugural DSR appearance. Congrats.

7.73 - Hins-C: Honestly, I don't care much for the 248/111 PF/PA ratio...they're just numbers, but I'm wondering whether OPRF with their 286/125 pulls off the W this week.Either way, I see Hins-C winning three in the playoffs.

--From Here down, rankings are the same as last week...just in case you were wondering--

7.36 - P-Ridge: Amazingly, here is P-Ridge's avg DSR this season: 7.36, 7.64, 7.73, 7.82, 9.45, 10.91, and 10.00. Clearly we had no clue what we were doing week 1 with the 10.00...it should obviously have been 11.31.

6.45 - P-Tine: Do you believe in the offense enough, that is the question. It's that simple. They've put up 313 this season. The 21-14 win over fremd makes me nervous. Fremd has Dean's favorite cheerleaders, or did three seasons ago.

5.82- Neek-Val: In the end, looks like the Neek is the toughest in the DVC. I'm just not sure the DVC was a tough as we thought it would be this season. Neek finishes with a tough week 9 against a two loss GBN team that is solid and can score...i love this week 9 game, second best on the slate IMO.

4.00 - Bro-Rice: This team has scored 388 points and now plays the team with the second best defense over the last 5 seasons (G-Dub the #1 D, IMO). Best game on the slate. I'm taking LA because Tommy is hot.

3.18 - Aych-Ef: With 358/84 PF/PA this season and once again being undefeated, it's hard not to put HF at 2...but there is no longer a signature win on their schedule. Semis....LA...great game...

2.27 - B-Side: here you go captian, I'll lead off with an absurd defensive stat: B-Side's given up only 41 points through 8 games. Four shut outs in the last 5. High given up this season was 28 to Mizzu's number 1 team - also handing that team their only loss this season. Other voters can give you their opinion, I gave my 1 vote to LA simply because they've had a more difficult total schedule. that said, B-Side clearly has the better single win. The problem is, I just don't know a ton about Mizzu football like i used to.

1.09 - El-Ay: El-Ay's single biggest lead at the top spot since week 1. Wow, what a treat we have week nine...kudos to the CCL for mixing up the sched this season...we got a doozy to send us out of the regular season and into the playoffs.

Best of luck to all the 4 loss teams busting their *** for one more win!

Here's the ballot:

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Come with me as I give you a behind the scenes look at how I, the self-appointed DSR naysayer, approach each weekly (or bi-weekly as the case may be) DSR ranking.

Generally, my missives utilize one of two different approaches.

One approach is to tie my comments around a theme. My infamous "movement" DSR post is a prime example of basing my comments around a central theme.

More often than not, I utilize what I call the outlier approach. Basically that involves identifying outliers and probing/needling the voter about their position out on a limb. I have to walk a fine line between lambasting a voter for a ridiculous ranking and discouraging/denigrating the voter for thinking out of the box.

Let's look at this week's rankings and identify a few of those outliers.

USD is an outlier in that he was the only voter not to rank LA at #1. If he had ranked LA at #10 or not at all, that would be an example of a ridiculous outlying ranking worthy of a harsh rebuke from yours truly. Instead, he ranked LA at #2. That gives me the option to be generous and cut him some slack, or go out on a limb myself and nitpick the difference between #1 and #2. In this case, I choose the former. Last year, I chose the latter when this same option presented itself with gooms.

JCHILL and MCHS are outliers in that they were the only two DSR voters to rank SCE. The more outliers there are, the less extraordinary are their outlying positions. Being a discriminating naysayer, I always have to pick my battles, lest I have to defend too many fronts. I don't really like battles where I am outnumbered, so I will let these St Chuck rankings slide with no negative commentary on my part.

MCHS is a big outlier this week. He ranked three schools that did not make the top ten. No other DSR voter came close to that level of going against the grain. I now have to dig a little further into his rankings to determine if this is a battle that I want to pick. One of those three schools (SCE) we already talked about. The fact that JCHILL agreed with him on SCE's DSR worthiness works in favor of MCHS. However, MCHS ranked Oswego at #7 and Cary Grove at #9 when no other DSR voter ranked either of those schools at all. For me, this is verging on the ridiculous and worthy of a measured amount of ridicule. To wit... Hey, MCHS, put down the bottle, man! You blamed a Bronco induced bender for not being timely with your DSR earlier this season. I can only assume that you were still inebriated and celebrating a Bronco win over MC when you made your rankings this week. Oswego at #7? Based on what, their 1 point win over a 3-5 Minooka or their 4 point win over a 6-2 Joliet West? You do realize, don't you, that neither Minooka nor JW have beaten anyone with a winning record this year?

Oh, almost forgot to mention. It helps to sprinkle the ridicule with facts. Much of my ammunition is stored in the arsenal located at www.ihsa.org.

And there you have it. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
 
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MCHS is a big outlier this week. He ranked three schools that did not make the top ten. No other DSR voter came close to that level of going against the grain. I now have to dig a little further into his rankings to determine if this is a battle that I want to pick. One of those three schools (SCE) we already talked about. The fact that JCHILL agreed with him on SCE's DSR worthiness works in favor of MCHS. However, MCHS ranked Oswego at #7 and Cary Grove at #9 when no other DSR voter ranked either of those schools at all. For me, this is verging on the ridiculous and worthy of a measured amount of ridicule. To wit... Hey, MCHS, put down the bottle, man! You blamed a Bronco induced bender for not being timely with your DSR earlier this season. I can only assume that you were still inebriated and celebrating a Bronco win over MC when you made your rankings this week. Oswego at #7? Based on what, their 1 point win over a 3-5 Minooka or their 4 point win over a 6-2 Joliet West? You do realize, don't you that neither Minooka nor JW have beaten anyone with a winning record this year?
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First, I ranked Oswego based on some solid defensive performances. They could come out quickly with a lackluster effort, and their offense is suspect, but I like what I see.

If you all think CG is a pushover, fine. I will say that SCE and CG are on par running the option with PR. Look out. I see 3 quarterfinal teams right there, and possibly 2 semifinal teams. Definitely 1 state champ in the mix.

Criss-cross, applesauce.
 
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I don't want to pile on Mchs, but you have to take into account the historical performance of the SW Prairie as well. Oswego, to their credit, has been the only Prairie school that has achieved any respectable playoff success over the years. Oswego East looks like they have a chance to do something this year. I expect all the others to make early exits (most likely in the 1st round), and OE could lose in the 1st round as well. We shall see how Oswego and the rest of the Prairie performs in the playoffs to help with the evaluation of ranking Oswego.
 
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pjjp said:
I don't want to pile on Mchs, but you have to take into account the historical performance of the SW Prairie as well. Oswego, to their credit, has been the only Prairie school that has achieved any respectable playoff success over the years. Oswego East looks like they have a chance to do something this year. I expect all the others to make early exits (most likely in the 1st round), and OE could lose in the 1st round as well. We shall see how Oswego and the rest of the Prairie performs in the playoffs to help with the evaluation of ranking Oswego.
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Oh, you all LOVE to pile on. lol

All good, I know I am out on a limb with Oswego. They seem to be clicking the last month, and I like what I see. Same with SCE. Extremely efficient with the triple, and mowing teams down. With the ESCC and DVC down, where am I to turn? Even the South West Suburban seems off this year, albeit with 2 top 10 teams.
 
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Oh, you all LOVE to pile on. lol

All good, I know I am out on a limb with Oswego. They seem to be clicking the last month, and I like what I see. Same with SCE. Extremely efficient with the triple, and mowing teams down. With the ESCC and DVC down, where am I to turn?
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Palatine? HC? You left them unranked.
 
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Palatine doesn't amuse me and I was never impressed with Barrington. Weak sched=removal from DSR.

HC=LOL. You are kidding, right?
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Weak schedule? Barrington and Palatine have 37 and 35 playoff points, respectively. Oswego has 32 playoff points, third lowest of the nine 8A teams that are 8-0. Palatine beat Stevenson at Stevenson. Who has Oswego played of that caliber?

Why would you think I am kidding about HC? They are 8-0 and have 36 playoff points. Every single one of your DSR compatriots ranked the Red Devils. JCHILL and Dean both have them as high as #6.
 
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Weak schedule? Barrington and Palatine have 37 and 35 playoff points, respectively. Oswego has 32 playoff points, third lowest of the nine 8A teams that are 8-0. Palatine beat Stevenson at Stevenson. Who has Oswego played of that caliber?

Why would you think I am kidding about HC? They are 8-0 and have 36 playoff points. Every single one of your DSR compatriots ranked the Red Devils. JCHILL and Dean both have them as high as #6.
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Palatine, I get the argument. HC, we can just agree to disagree.
 
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