With Vitello leaving and all this data popping up about how certain schools are allocating their funds between sports, is there any public data about what MSU is doing?
Revenue Sharing by Sport
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I doubt that this data will ever be made public because it could be used against MSU in recruiting. For example, every SEC football coaching staff is using the fact that Kentucky appears to be allocating a higher % to basketball against them.
Unless it’s being funneled through the BDC, BI, or some other 3rd party, can Mississippi State even stop it from being made public? I feel like an Open Records or Freedom of Information request could make the distributions public pretty quickly.
I think most of the P4 schools are doing it based on revenues generated. And I think that's pretty standard. One thing you have to keep in mind is, you better be able to defend how you've allocated when (not if) one of your sports teams sues you for not allocating enough to them.
It appears the $ are being funneled thru The State Excellence Fund which is Bulldog Club/Foundation.
I still think that there is a high probability that a Title 9 lawsuit blows up the whole NIL Settlement.
Schools are currently claiming exemptions to public records acts, citing FERPA, proprietary rights, trade secrets, and the like. Kind of depends on the state laws involved and how the records request is framed.
There's a couple of lawsuits already pending on this issue. I suspect state legislatures will pass specific exemptions to disclosing this info before the lawsuits proceed very far.
Remember, although the athletes have clearly become employees and are paid to play by the schools, the House settlement frames these payments as the schools purchasing NIL rights from the athletes and even says pay for play is not allowed.
There's a couple of lawsuits already pending on this issue. I suspect state legislatures will pass specific exemptions to disclosing this info before the lawsuits proceed very far.
Remember, although the athletes have clearly become employees and are paid to play by the schools, the House settlement frames these payments as the schools purchasing NIL rights from the athletes and even says pay for play is not allowed.
So basically we're right back to... "Sell your house, your car, or your newborn to give us money to support our teams, but ask no questions about where it's going. Trust us, it's going to good use"
Yeah, pretty much. If a journalist is really interested in figuring out the distribution by sport, they may be able to approximate that info by requesting all types of financial data from the school. I don't think anyone will be able to figure out how much each athlete is getting from the school unless the athlete shares that info themselves (which their contract probably prohibits).
But, maybe, as athletes who received revenue sharing start transferring to other schools, someone might be willing to reveal their contract with their prior school. Would be fun to watch the schools work to stop that.
So, Tennessee’s AD essentially ran Vitello off by taking NIL funds from baseball and giving it to Women’s basketball. Sounds like they are good either way Tittie 9 to me!
This is what I don’t understand. How can NIL and title IX both exist?
if you give women’s soccer more than you give football from a revenue percentage standpoint you aren’t being “fair and equitable”. But if you don’t give them more, you fail at complying with title IX.
And for the record I think both are garbage. Neither one of them are capitalism.
I’m not really understanding how that gets used against anyone in recruiting.
I mean, are we going to pretend for one second that every recruit doesn’t have their exact dollar figure guarantee already known before committed, signing, etc.? They know their individual bottom line, and how it compares to what they are being offered by other schools. They have no reason to know or care what the overall revenue share allocation is for their sport, as long as their individual take from rev share + NIL is a competitive offer.
This is what I'm thinking. The athletes get offered a sum of money...some of it is revenue sharing from the school, and some of it is third party NIL. The third party NIL requires them to do something to earn the cash (commercials, meet and greets, autograph signings, whatever) but otherwise why should they care where the money comes from, other than ego, maybe?
Once they have signed their deal and received their money, i don't see how they could legally complain about the "revenue sharing" aspect (which isn't really revenue sharing) Did you get the money you promised, or not?
If Title IX applies, it only applies to the payments directly from the schools to the athletes. Although those are couched as NIL payments, they aren't. If they are seen as benefits provided to student-athletes, then Title IX might require equal opportunities be provided to members of each sex.
The DOE has said the revenue sharing payments are exempt from Title IX, but that doesn't stop.individuals from directly suing the universities for a Title IX violation.
I thought a lawsuit had been filed already, but I can't find info on it.
Also, I think the pending SCORE Act would exempt the payments from Title IX.
So universities can lower the benefits they give to athletes across all sports and have more revenue for sharing?
I realize a university can’t but why can’t the ncaa collectively do that?
Did the settlement require the schools to start paying the 20.5M? Or did the NCAA/commissioners decide that? That was the mistake in my mind, never should have brought that in house.
Let the boosters pay who they want, outside the school. Then this all gets worked out without Title 9.
I don’t care about TV money. That should go to the school. This fake “demand” has always been due to boosters wanting to win, NOT true market value of a players brand. Save for like 10 guys - Manziel and a few others.
The settlement allows the schools to pay "revenue sharing" it's not required, but I can't imagine a P4 school not paying it.
The whole thing is an attempt to have a salary cap modeled after the pro leagues, they just don't want to call it a salary.
I know, however you couch, they now essentially have to do it.
Agreed and it was freaking stupid.