Rhule doesn't care

[Steely Dannebrog]

This much i can promise you. Between the obscene contracts, the unjustified extensions, and the absolute absence of repercussions, why should he? He's set no matter what.

The pitchforks aren't fully out yet, but they will be after these next two losses. But what difference will it possibly make? If you're Rhule, you simply disassociate. Just wait out the firing, Frost-style. There is no way in hell this ends well.

Next coach: hire cheap, reward success.

 

[thall___]

Rhule cares about making it look like he cares.

Probably genuinely enjoys being an authority/development figure in the lives of young athletes.

Does he want to do whatever it takes to build a championship team?

Obviously not. That was clear before he was hired.

 

[dinglefritz]

This much i can promise you. Between the obscene contracts, the unjustified extensions, and the absolute absence of repercussions, why should he? He's set no matter what.

The pitchforks aren't fully out yet, but they will be after these next two losses. But what difference will it possibly make? If you're Rhule, you simply disassociate. Just wait out the firing, Frost-style. There is no way in hell this ends well.

Next coach: hire cheap, reward success.

He’s not getting fired. I bet he could win 4-5 next year and keep his job. Who the hell is going to pay the buyout now? That extension made it virtually impossible for NU to can him for 4-5 years. Thats exactly why Rhule’s agent got that for him

 

[dinglefritz]

Rhule cares about making it look like he cares.

Probably genuinely enjoys being an authority/development figure in the lives of young athletes.

Does he want to do whatever it takes to build a championship team?

Obviously not. That was clear before he was hired.

Do you know anybody at all who has played sports who doesn’t care about winning? Do his actions on the sideline appear like he doesn’t care about winning? Does the number of hours he works indicate he doesn’t care about winning? The idea is ludicrous. Of course he cares.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

Do you know anybody at all who has played sports who doesn’t care about winning? Do his actions on the sideline appear like he doesn’t care about winning? Does the number of hours he works indicate he doesn’t care about winning? The idea is ludicrous. Of course he cares.

Yes I do:
Rhule, Matt
Frost, Scott
Riley, Mike

Rhule doesn't "play sports" so stop asking irrelevant questions. He's a performative overpaid boob who was smart enough pull up stakes on his carnival barking tent show, and GTFO of Dodge up until Carolina and now (as of yet).

Anyone who defends this steaming pile of **** is beyond help.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

Rhule cares about making it look like he cares.

Probably genuinely enjoys being an authority/development figure in the lives of young athletes.

Does he want to do whatever it takes to build a championship team?

Obviously not. That was clear before he was hired.

Very well put.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

He’s not getting fired. I bet he could win 4-5 next year and keep his job. Who the hell is going to pay the buyout now? That extension made it virtually impossible for NU to can him for 4-5 years. Thats exactly why Rhule’s agent got that for him

It would be worth having an investigative body shine a light at the agents for these coaches. There's a lot of power concentrated into very few hands in that extremely seedy world. Its certainly not a area of the sport that has the long term integrity of the game at the forefront of their day to day

 

[thall___]

Do you know anybody at all who has played sports who doesn’t care about winning? Do his actions on the sideline appear like he doesn’t care about winning? Does the number of hours he works indicate he doesn’t care about winning? The idea is ludicrous. Of course he cares.

Of course I do, and I'm sure you do too.

In business, when a leader starts promoting poor individual contributors and retaining problem employees, you stop thinking they care about the operation of the business.

There are managers who are okay with "good enough" and there are managers who hate failure.

Rhule doesn't hate failure, and likely has a litany of reasons as to why it's actually a good thing long-term.

 

[dinglefritz]

Yes I do:
Rhule, Matt
Frost, Scott
Riley, Mike

Rhule doesn't "play sports" so stop asking irrelevant questions. He's a performative overpaid boob who was smart enough pull up stakes on his carnival barking tent show, and GTFO of Dodge up until Carolina and now (as of yet).

Anyone who defends this steaming pile of **** is beyond help.

Who’s defending him? I just think it’s ridiculous to think he doesn’t care if he wins or loses.

 

[oldjar07]

He’s not getting fired. I bet he could win 4-5 next year and keep his job. Who the hell is going to pay the buyout now? That extension made it virtually impossible for NU to can him for 4-5 years. Thats exactly why Rhule’s agent got that for him

Genuine question, as all mine are. Do you think Rhule's extension was justified? Do you support it?

 

[dinglefritz]

Genuine question, as all mine are. Do you think Rhule's extension was justified? Do you support it?

I said at the time it was silly to extend him. Doesn’t matter now. It’s done.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Matt absolutely cares if he wins or loses. He's not heartless.. in fact he has a little too much heart.

Matt needs to get serious and start acting like a CEO of a 9 figure operation..

Hire the best people and hold them accountable. Ever listen to Urban talk about what he expected from the staff that worked for him?

Get F'n serious Matt.

 

[moralvictories]

This much i can promise you. Between the obscene contracts, the unjustified extensions, and the absolute absence of repercussions, why should he? He's set no matter what.

The pitchforks aren't fully out yet, but they will be after these next two losses. But what difference will it possibly make? If you're Rhule, you simply disassociate. Just wait out the firing, Frost-style. There is no way in hell this ends well.

Next coach: hire cheap, reward success.

We won't get top level coaches by hiring cheap.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

We won't get top level coaches by hiring cheap.

"top level coaches"

 

[nu2u]

It would be worth having an investigative body shine a light at the agents for these coaches.

What exactly would be investigated? Agency is not illegal and transactions are governed by contract law.

Instead, investigate the IQ of ADs who will sign a coach to an unnecessarily lengthy contract which bestows exceedingly lucrative compensation including a ridiculously expensive buyout clause but, notably, absent any reasonable performance requirements and then, later and against logic, proceed to extend the employment term with higher pay and unwarranted bonuses when they fail to satisfy reasonable expectations.

 

[K Rod]

The extension is/was a compromise. Dannen must have felt, for whatever reason, that Ruhle was the guy and that he had a legitimate shot at the Ped State job. I disagree with both of those thoughts, but never the less the extension did not increase the buyout and just tacked on two more years at 12.5 million per year. Based on current production, IMHO that is about 8 million dollars higher than we should be paying for 6-6 and 7-5 team results. I would hope/expect our AD to address the lack of production and results with HCMR somewhere down the line if these results continue on past 2025. Contracts can be adjusted up or down.

 

[Mack In Motion]

The extension is/was a compromise. Dannen must have felt, for whatever reason, that Ruhle was the guy and that he had a legitimate shot at the Ped State job. I disagree with both of those thoughts, but never the less the extension did not increase the buyout and just tacked on two more years at 12.5 million per year. Based on current production, IMHO that is about 8 million dollars higher than we should be paying for 6-6 and 7-5 team results. I would hope/expect our AD to address the lack of production and results with HCMR somewhere down the line if these results continue on past 2025. Contracts can be adjusted up or down.

Imagine the PSU fans watching the dismantling this weekend, and realizing that Nebraska ponied up HUGE money to keep Rhule from becoming the head coach in Happy Valley.

What a farce.

 

[RBigredMax1]

This much i can promise you. Between the obscene contracts, the unjustified extensions, and the absolute absence of repercussions, why should he? He's set no matter what.

The pitchforks aren't fully out yet, but they will be after these next two losses. But what difference will it possibly make? If you're Rhule, you simply disassociate. Just wait out the firing, Frost-style. There is no way in hell this ends well.

Next coach: hire cheap, reward success.

You could literally say this about any coach at the power 2 level. This is a wild take and could not be further from the actual truth.

HCMR knows how much football means to Nebraska and today that he doesn’t care is such a ridiculous take. You don’t reach this level of the profession without a crazy competitive spirit.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

What exactly would be investigated? Agency is not illegal and transactions are governed by contract law.

To make sure the agents are operating legally and according to contract law.

I believe there are a total of two agents who handle most of the top-50 type coaches. They get paid:

1. When the coach gets hired.
2. When the coach gets fired.
3. When the new coach gets hired.
4. When the old coach gets hired somewhere else.

Every. Single. Time.

I've never seen one article on how these cats operate. It's worth taking a look at.

 

[katie99]

Yes I do:
Rhule, Matt
Frost, Scott
Riley, Mike

Rhule doesn't "play sports" so stop asking irrelevant questions. He's a performative overpaid boob who was smart enough pull up stakes on his carnival barking tent show, and GTFO of Dodge up until Carolina and now (as of yet).

Anyone who defends this steaming pile of **** is beyond help.

So who should coach the team?

 

[moralvictories]

So who should coach the team?

One of the "experts" on this message board obviously.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

So who should coach the team?

You tell me? You're happy with 37-10 on national TV late into year 3, I take it?

Because year 3 was always the narrative. From the day zero press conference: "Year 3 is when I really take off!" We looked like a JV team out there.

It's exactly what we were sold. Do you feel like that has been delivered upon? And when we lose the next two, how will you feel then.

 

[nu2u]

I would hope/expect our AD to address the lack of production and results with HCMR somewhere down the line if these results continue on past 2025. Contracts can be adjusted up or down.

There may be one or two exceptions but can you identify an instance where the head coach’s contract was adjusted down in terms of compensation? Seems to me adjustments to HC contracts are almost uniformly renegotiated to the benefit of the coach.

Should Dannen addresses or otherwise impose performance standards with Rhule as you expect if Rhule does not improve next year, those standards will almost certainly be extra-contractual, not added to an amended employment agreement. If Rhule then fails to meet the expectations, Dannen then has a keep/terminate decision to make. If he fires Rhule, Nebraska will be obligated to pay the windfall buyout ….just like they have with all his predecessors.

 

[K Rod]

There may be one or two exceptions but can you identify an instance where the head coach’s contract was adjusted down in terms of compensation? Seems to me adjustments to HC contracts are almost uniformly renegotiated to the benefit of the coach.

Should Dannen addresses or otherwise impose performance standards with Rhule as you expect if Rhule does not improve next year, those standards will almost certainly be extra-contractual, not added to an amended employment agreement. If Rhule then fails to meet the expectations, Dannen then has a keep/terminate decision to make. If he fires Rhule, Nebraska will be obligated to pay the windfall buyout ….just like they have with all his predecessors.

Coaches who took pay cuts at the time included:

• Jim Harbaugh (Michigan football): Agreed to a 10% cut of his $7.5 million salary.
• Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma football): Took a roughly 10% cut (over $515,000).
• Bill Self (Kansas basketball): Agreed to a 10% cut for six months.
• Dabo Swinney (Clemson football): Later agreed to a significant cut, giving up a total of $1.25 million in 2021.
• • Mike Norvell (Florida State football): Took a 25% reduction of his total compensation, one of the largest by percentage among FBS coaches.

 

[K Rod]

Coaches who took pay cuts at the time included:

• Jim Harbaugh (Michigan football): Agreed to a 10% cut of his $7.5 million salary.
• Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma football): Took a roughly 10% cut (over $515,000).
• Bill Self (Kansas basketball): Agreed to a 10% cut for six months.
• Dabo Swinney (Clemson football): Later agreed to a significant cut, giving up a total of $1.25 million in 2021.
• • Mike Norvell (Florida State football): Took a 25% reduction of his total compensation, one of the largest by percentage among FBS coaches.

• Brent Venables (Oklahoma football): Initiated a one-time $1 million salary reduction for the 2025 season to contribute to the department's revenue-sharing efforts.
• Mike Gundy (Oklahoma State football): Saw his salary reduced by $1 million as part of a restructured contract to help with revenue sharing.
• Brian Kelly (LSU football): Announced he would match $1 million in donations to the LSU collective.
• Mike Norvell (Florida State football): Planned to contribute $4.5 million of his salary to FSU's revenue-sharing efforts, though he has the opportunity to earn it back in bonuses.

 

[lifer56]

Do you know anybody at all who has played sports who doesn’t care about winning? Do his actions on the sideline appear like he doesn’t care about winning? Does the number of hours he works indicate he doesn’t care about winning? The idea is ludicrous. Of course he cares.

Agree. So many of these takes are absolutely insane.

 

[nu2u]

To make sure the agents are operating legally and according to contract law.

I believe there are a total of two agents who handle most of the top-50 type coaches. They get paid:

1. When the coach gets hired.
2. When the coach gets fired.
3. When the new coach gets hired.
4. When the old coach gets hired somewhere else.

Every. Single. Time.

I've never seen one article on how these cats operate. It's worth taking a look at.

Everything you mentioned is absolutely legal. Compensation, even ridiculously exorbitant compensation, is lawful so long as the contracting parties mutually agree. Keep in mind that the coaches signing with an agent normally have the benefit of advice from separate legal counsel before entering the agency agreement.

 

[dinglefritz]

We won't get top level coaches by hiring cheap.

Lots of big name programs have shown hiring big money coaches doesn’t guarantee top level results. How about we start by not burying ourselves in ridiculous contracts.

 

[dinglefritz]

There may be one or two exceptions but can you identify an instance where the head coach’s contract was adjusted down in terms of compensation? Seems to me adjustments to HC contracts are almost uniformly renegotiated to the benefit of the coach.

Should Dannen addresses or otherwise impose performance standards with Rhule as you expect if Rhule does not improve next year, those standards will almost certainly be extra-contractual, not added to an amended employment agreement. If Rhule then fails to meet the expectations, Dannen then has a keep/terminate decision to make. If he fires Rhule, Nebraska will be obligated to pay the windfall buyout ….just like they have with all his predecessors.

Nm

 

[cestrup]

Do you know anybody at all who has played sports who doesn’t care about winning? Do his actions on the sideline appear like he doesn’t care about winning? Does the number of hours he works indicate he doesn’t care about winning? The idea is ludicrous. Of course he cares.

What if his “winning” is his negotiations? His personal wealth. I know plenty that care more about that than external winning

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

Everything you mentioned is absolutely legal. Compensation, even ridiculously exorbitant compensation, is lawful so long as the contracting parties mutually agree. Keep in mind that the coaches signing with an agent normally have the benefit of advice from separate legal counsel before entering the agency agreement.

Not if it's being done illegally. Where's the oversight?

Meantime, AD's are afraid of their own employees because a cartel of 2-ish agents run the strings from behind the scenes. Giving Rhule an extension in the midst of THIS season? Somethin's fucky.

 

[Champs 70-71-94-95-97]

I enjoy visiting this board for the humor - and look no further than this thread. Not a single person here has any clue what any single coach or player "thinks" or what they "care" about. The hyperbole here is top notch, no doubt. Most every coach probably really does want to win, and cares about the direction of their team. They all probably have the "want to" part handled. What some of them don't have is the "how to". And that is the problem. We have hired a long list of "want to" coaches that do not have a solid plan of "how to" do it for this particular situation. This is neither in defense of, or promotion for, the current guy. It's just a consistent problem. By larger measure it's an AD problem really...

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

Everything you mentioned is absolutely legal.

Well, there is a law against murder so thank god there's no murders being committed!

 

[cestrup]

I enjoy visiting this board for the humor - and look no further than this thread. Not a single person here has any clue what any single coach or player "thinks" or what they "care" about. The hyperbole here is top notch, no doubt. Most every coach probably really does want to win, and cares about the direction of their team. They all probably have the "want to" part handled. What some of them don't have is the "how to". And that is the problem. We have hired a long list of "want to" coaches that do not have a solid plan of "how to" do it for this particular situation. This is neither in defense of, or promotion for, the current guy. It's just a consistent problem. By larger measure it's an AD problem really...

What may also be in question is his priority.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

Not a single person here has any clue what any single coach or player "thinks" or what they "care" about.

The hyperbole here is top notch, no doubt.

Most every coach probably really does want to win, and cares about the direction of their team. They all probably have the "want to" part handled. What some of them don't have is the "how to".

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Champs 70-71-94-95-97]

Pot, meet kettle.

yeah...no. But you do you though.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

yeah...no. But you do you though.

You said it. Own it.

 

[Anon1752115983]

Not if it's being done illegally. Where's the oversight?

Meantime, AD's are afraid of their own employees because a cartel of 2-ish agents run the strings from behind the scenes. Giving Rhule an extension in the midst of THIS season? Somethin's fucky.

Man you are dense. What oversight? By whom? Two adult parties negotiate and enter into a binding contractual agreement. If one party is stupid, or afraid that the second party will leave, or has leverage based on any number of factors (other than coercion), that doesn't make the agreement illegal. Dannen has an army of attorneys at his disposal. If these dipshit athletic directors weren't so scared of a guy leaving, the contract wouldn't be so one sided. But there is nothing illegal in these negotiations. The only thing in need of investigation is Dannen's level of intelligence.

 

[RBigredMax1]

I enjoy visiting this board for the humor - and look no further than this thread. Not a single person here has any clue what any single coach or player "thinks" or what they "care" about. The hyperbole here is top notch, no doubt. Most every coach probably really does want to win, and cares about the direction of their team. They all probably have the "want to" part handled. What some of them don't have is the "how to". And that is the problem. We have hired a long list of "want to" coaches that do not have a solid plan of "how to" do it for this particular situation. This is neither in defense of, or promotion for, the current guy. It's just a consistent problem. By larger measure it's an AD problem really...

Slams everyone for hyperbole while simultaneously participates in hyperbole.

 

[Spinner4]

Matt probably cares. It just doesn’t bother him as badly as other coaches

when coaching winning % is 46% in 164 games, you just get numb to it.

Matts been a head coach since 2013 and he’s gone home a loser more times after a game than a winner. He’s used to it. He’s a loser