Richard Cross Question

[FreeDawg]

This is related to H2H yesterday so if you listened I'm especially curious about your input. They were talking about the MSU football player formal. They were floating ideas to help recruiting. A lady, Mary from Madison calls in. She goes on to explain that she was a "dog catcher" which were the female recruiting weekend host for the players that picked them up from the airport. They were tested on football knowledge by Bob Tyler just to be one. They also had a recruit dinner w/the players.

i **** you not Richard Cross ask this lady, "We're you concerned about being labeled a cleat chaser" or something like that. You could tell by his inflection when he asked he had a smirk on his face when he delivered the question. He framed the question by, "I've got listeners wondering so I have to ask..."

i thought that was the most tasteless, Busch league thing I've ever heard on ms sports talk radio. Here we have a woman probably about 50 years old who calls in to give a 1rst hand account and add to the show and Cross ask her a prick question. It was plain disrespectful to Mary. I don't mind when Cross takes MSU jabs b/c Wyatt returns them. I thought this was different. I find it no different than if I called in and said, "Hey Cross, people are wondering, since you wear sear suckers and loafers are you a ***?" I would be kicked off the show immediately. Did anyone else catch this and how do they feel about it?

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Not a big deal at all. Legit question, I believe.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

So you also dislike it when people denigrate the Ole Miss chicks that help with OM "recruiting"?

 

[FreeDawg]

So you also dislike it when people denigrate the Ole Miss chicks that help with OM "recruiting"?

I see where you're going but this is different. He is a radio host that airs state wide. Like it or not he and Wyatt are held to a higher level of decorum that anonymous MSUmaroonDawgMan on a mb. We're talking a 50ish year old lady who was trying to add insight to a show

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Ah, so its okay to denigrate women so long as (a) said person doing the slandering is not a public figure him/herself, or (b) the woman being denigrated is not 50ish years old. Just wanted to clarify your position on when this sort of thing is acceptable.

Personally, I don't really think its right in any setting. But that's just me.

 

[tb2]

What are you so upset about?

Are you related to Mary or just generally looking for a reason to be offended? If the old bat called in and said she was a recruiting host then she was probably also a cleat chaser. If she didn't want to be portrayed as such, she shouldn't have called into a radio show to talk about it.

Also, is it just a vocal minority, or are there a lot of State fans constantly scouring all mediums of communication in search of the next offensive thing against MSU? There is someone on here bitching about this or that every other day.

 

[FreeDawg]

Ah, so its okay to denigrate women so long as (a) said person doing the slandering is not a public figure him/herself, or (b) the woman being denigrated is not 50ish years old. Just wanted to clarify your position on when this sort of thing is acceptable.

Personally, I don't really think its right in any setting. But that's just me.

Did I say any of that? Your just throwing out a counter argument that is not relevant to op.

 

[boatsandhoes]

by "help with recruiting" you mean whoring yourself out for signature?

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

No, I asked you a question based on your original post, and you answered it by saying that it was a different circumstance, implying that one is bad and the other is not so bad. It's not my fault you didn't say you were against the denigration of women in general. That was your choice.

 

[FreeDawg]

Listening to H2H is not "scouring all mediums of communication". Quite a reach there. I'm using myself as the counter measure here. If I'm having a conversation w/ a lady who tells me she was a recruiting host at OM I would not say, "So were you a cleat chaser?"

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

If that's how you want to characterize it, that's your choice

Since he was bitching about a MSU lady being asked inappropriate things, I was just curious what his stance was on the Ole Miss recruiting helpers was.

 

[FreeDawg]

Since he was bitching about a MSU lady being asked inappropriate things, I was just curious what his stance was on the Ole Miss recruiting helpers was.

Where the lady helped was not important. Your own bias made you jump to conclusions. That's on you bud

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I didn't jump to any conclusions. Rather, I formed a conclusion based solely on what you said.

 

[FreeDawg]

I didn't jump to any conclusions. Rather, I formed a conclusion based solely on what you said.

You try much to hard to be a contrarian and you sometimes miss the target due to your over exertion. Not a big deal but you missed in this thread

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Yes, I missed so badly that you felt the need to defend yourself fairly vigorously. I'm just amusing myself by calling you on the double standard. You can argue that you don't have a double standard, but if that were true then there was no need for you to evade my original question, which in all honesty was just bait to see if there was a double standard, by claiming that the 2 scenarios are not similar.

Better that you didn't though. By not simply saying that the denigration of women in general is in bad taste, but a radio host doing it is even worse (unless that's not actually your opinion), you at least gave us a few extra minutes of entertainment.

 

[Dawgdom]

Did he ask her if she currently has a pineapple flag on her front porch?

 

[rabiddawg]

At least Cross was being polite. I mean, when all is said and done, they are just whoring themselves out to try and land a player. The more important question Cross should have asked was "is this Mary Hawkins from Madison?"

 

[boatsandhoes]

nope there is truth, and then non-truth. There are no levels of it. Characterization is your way of blurring it. Relativity is a farce created by man.

Your heart bleeds for those poor ole miss girls doesn't it?

 

[HereComesTheSpiral]

At least Cross was being polite. I mean, when all is said and done, they are just whoring themselves out to try and land a player. The more important question Cross should have asked was "is this Mary Hawkins from Madison?"

He asked if it was Mary Hawkins whenever he took the call. The cleat chaser comment wasn't the bad part, a little on the unprofessional side, but he was a complete degrading prick to the lady throughout the entire call. But, if the comment pisses off enough people and gets that arrogant blowhole fired then I will be glad to help with the cause because he is just terrible.

 

[AlanDawg]

more importantly, how did Mary from Madison respond to his question. I'm sure she said she didn't mind being labeled a cleat chaser and then went on to deny that she ever did anything inappropriate with a recruit or current player...

 

[Maroonthirteen]

No question in my mind, he was being a dick. How I feel? I don't care but you know his tone and tact would be different if one of CJ's "white women" called in. Just typical for those pricks (their radio host).

 

[jacksonreb]

sothat's what mary in madison did? shocking.....

 

[mount lefroy]

Cross was just trying to stir things up. He used the word "prom" instead of formal about 10 times to get under Matt's skin and Matt was just not going to go there.

Especially with a tool from a school that is so hung up on their own "mixers" or swaps"

 

[UIUCDog]

I do think it’s different to make a general comment like “OM girls ***** themselves out for the purpose of landing recruits” than it is to name names, and accuse a specific individual of that without any proof. I’ll acknowledge that maybe it’s not even appropriate to make the more general statement, but it is mostly harmless even granting that it may be inappropriate.

Worse than naming names on here is speaking directly to a specific girl and saying “You ***** yourself out for the purpose of landing recruits”, or, in this instance, “Hey, do you ***** yourself out for the purpose of landing recruits?”

Worse than that is saying/asking such a thing in front of thousands of people (or listeners).

So yes, the stuff that gets said on here is different and less problematic than what you are describing Cross said, even if maybe we shouldn’t say some of it. I’m sure that our resident OM apologist wants you to believe that they are the same thing, but they aren’t.

The other thing is, maybe I’m naive, but recruiting is a lot bigger business today than it was 30-40 years ago when Mary was a hostess. So I would think that it’s more of a stretch to automatically characterize someone who did that such a long time ago as a cleat chaser than it might be today. I don’t claim to know the degree to which football recruits were “shown a good time” by their official hostesses back then (at MSU, OM, or any other school), but I have to think that it was a lot less frequent than it probably is nowadays. That’s not to say that it would be appropriate to ask a current hostess (from any school) that same question...it wouldn’t. But the fact that she did it quite some time ago makes it even more inappropriate.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Not sure that "Were you concerned about being labeled a cleat chaser?" and "Why did you decide to ***** yourself out for the greater good of MSU football?" are the same question. I didn't hear the actual convo but that's the question used in the OP.

Anyways, I'm surprised some of you are so easily offended considering how this board often has entire topics dedicated to bashing OM ladies for the same allegation. Actually, I guess I'm really not.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

I do think it’s different to make a general comment like “OM girls ***** themselves out for the purpose of landing recruits” than it is to name names, and accuse a specific individual of that without any proof. I’ll acknowledge that maybe it’s not even appropriate to make the more general statement, but it is mostly harmless even granting that it may be inappropriate.

Worse than naming names on here is speaking directly to a specific girl and saying “You ***** yourself out for the purpose of landing recruits”, or, in this instance, “Hey, do you ***** yourself out for the purpose of landing recruits?”

Worse than that is saying/asking such a thing in front of thousands of people (or listeners).

So yes, the stuff that gets said on here is different and less problematic than what you are describing Cross said, even if maybe we shouldn’t say some of it. I’m sure that our resident OM apologist wants you to believe that they are the same thing, but they aren’t.

The other thing is, maybe I’m naive, but recruiting is a lot bigger business today than it was 30-40 years ago when Mary was a hostess. So I would think that it’s more of a stretch to automatically characterize someone who did that such a long time ago as a cleat chaser than it might be today. I don’t claim to know the degree to which football recruits were “shown a good time” by their official hostesses back then (at MSU, OM, or any other school), but I have to think that it was a lot less frequent than it probably is nowadays. That’s not to say that it would be appropriate to ask a current hostess (from any school) that same question...it wouldn’t. But the fact that she did it quite some time ago makes it even more inappropriate.

I can't tell if you are following the thread correctly, but Cross didn't ask her "if she whored herself out".

He asked if she was "concerned with being labeled a cleat chaser".

You say that what happens here in regards to posters actually accusing young OM students of "whoring themselves out" or making "swallowing" comments is harmless. You mention that calling someone out by a specific name is wrong, but I'm not sure if you realize the "Mary Hawkins" comment was a joke implying that it could be the mayor. "Mary from Madison" is pretty generic.

In the case of the OM female students that posters here took stabs at during recruiting, posters here tweeted insults at those girls whose identities were shown on their twitter accounts. People here posted those twitter photos/accounts links here, thus revealing their "specific names".

So I'm not sure how Cross asking 50 year old generic "Mary from Madison" if she was "concerned with being labeled a cleat chaser" is more "inappropriate" or "problematic" than posters here linking/posting twitter accounts/photos with actual identities or tweeting accusations being whores at students that are 18-22 years old.

If your explanation makes you sleep better at night though, continue rationalizing those actions.

 

[Victory Red]

Yes, because posting pictures of those girls here and then everyone calling them whores is definitely different than what Cross did.

The hilarious part of this is that he trolled all of you so hard with that comment. He knew it would end up here and with this type of conversation. And he is probably laughing about it right now, because by the way it has been phrased here, it was a joke. Some of you get your little feelings hurt by the smallest of things it is unreal.

 

[UIUCDog]

I’ll sleep just fine regardless, but I do appreciate your concern.

 

[johnson86-1]

I don't get what the big deal is. Football "hostesses" are not "hosts" for a reason. There is a sexual component to their job, even if there is no actual physical activity traded. Seems like a pretty legitimate question to ask if a hostess is/was concerned about being labeled a cleat chaser, because most of them are labeled as cleat chasers (if not something much worse). Had he accused her of doing anything sexual just to help with a recruit, that would be over the line but I'm not even sure it would have been over the line to ask her if she ever had.

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

You guys act like the best football players in the nation aren't getting 17nd (did I do that right) by the girls at their high schools (or on any other recruiting trip). By C34s own admission C Jones only went to OM for a girl, right? So any dude with half a brain could get 17nd at OM and not have to sign with OM right? So which is it today? Are they signing with us becuz of the hoes (MH reference) or are they playing us and adding to "IT"? By the way, I'm headed to the IPF for a lil shot...its supposed to be easy, be right back

 

[dawgstudent]

To me, it's actually a legit question. There's a reason there aren't guys picking them up at the airport.

 

[Godfrey]

This might be my favorite Six Pack thread in a long time. Perfect balance of ********, witty responses, more ********, some thoughtful responses, rational yet funny responses that aren't based in school loyalty, and a little bit more ********.

Plus the fact that I think I've read the exact same thing with the schools reversed on the Spirit makes this awesomerer.

I love you all. I wish I could frame this.

 

[Godfrey]

I can't say b u t t h u r t ? Oh, fooey.

 

[Chesusdog]

Yes, but a 50 year old woman? Cleat-chaser still seems a bit out of line.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

To keep the SEC even with other colleges, they should only allow Hostesses who are Womyn's Studies Majors from Big 10 schools or Northeastern colleges.

 

[vorticityDawg]

I can't believe none of you realized he played "Roxanne" as they went to break.

Either way, I cannot blame him for poking fun. I also thought it was hilarious and embarrassing that the caller was so proud of her duties no matter how honorable they were. Would you brag about your wife or daughter having such a job?

 

[JackShephard]

AAAAAAAND, here you have it. She called in, of her own free will, and offered the information up without being prodded. The rest is on her, and no, it's not that big of a deal. Man, some of you folks have huge double standards. Just move on. Personally, I just quit listening to H2H once I had enough of Cross. He (purposely) embodies all negative stereotypes about Ole Miss, and I can't take it. When I get to that point, I like to remember that the little black dial on my truck radio has a function...

 

[dawgstudent]

I just hate the word/phrase.

 

[boatsandhoes]

it would be 17ed not nd. They get both poon and cash.

Your offering the two top things on a young black man's mind. Kudo's to you for filling a desire. I would call you prostitutes. Prostitutes with a top 5 recruiting class no less. I would call us the same thing if we did it that way. You're Heidi Fleiss. Nothing wrong with that...just own it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Fleiss

 

[DerHntr]

can you also ban "I mean". I mean, I really hate it.