Devil chooses to blame Polk for recruiting MRA kids....coach34 blames Polk & Raffo. I agree that Polk and Raffo were not good for MSU in the past few years....however, they were not coaching the team last night. I completely support Coach Cohen but his lack of action in the ninth inning was extremely disappointing. It doesn't matter how good any pitcher is...when he throws the number of pitches in one inning last night that Crosswhite threw he will not be successful. And, yes, there are some very good pitchers who every once in a while do get into a situation where they just simply cannot get it done. Coach Cohen didn't take care of his player; I am sure the team is crushed by the loss, but imagine how crushed Crosshwhite is. Apparently the coaching staff must think he is our best....if they really think that then they chose a very strange way to show it. In that situation, the coach has to make a trip to the mound in an effort to slow momentum of the other team and hopefully to settle down the pitcher. If that doesn't work then you have to pull the trigger and take him out. Crosswhite is a tough kid....he better be.....because coming back after that disaster last night will be extremely difficult. For my two cents worth, IF we are going to play the blame game then Cohen's name has to at least be in the conversation.
Ridiculous Excuses For Last Night...Devil and 34
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....and we had Lee Swindoll warming up. I don't blame the coaches. You don't want to bring Swindoll in that situation. We have Whitney, Routt, and Moore, and Crosswhite has by far been the most consistent guy out of the pen (not saying much). There's no Aaron Weatherford out there. That's why you blame Polk.
that we blame a man who wasn't even there ( I can tell you that I was not a Polk lover either). Our coach watched a young man throw 50 pitches in one inning without ever going out to mound. It just as well been Coach Polk because that is exactly what he would have done, too. What was L Swindoll warming up for...it is obvious we never intended to use him. Coach Cohen will be successful at MSU but last night he had the team in a position to win and then had an episode of "brain freeze". It is history....learn from it. In the meantime, take some responsibility for the loss. </p>
Yeah Crosswhite could have been pulled but the thinking is you go with your best, period. Let's back up for a second, Tyler pitched effective, we bring in middle reliever Wesson who pretty much opens the door with a walk and gives up the tying run. Then Crosswhite, who didn't really have good stuff pitched out of a jam in the 8th but got lit up in the 9th, mainly by the umpire not pulling the trigger on to close pitches that could have ended the game. But wait, we kick the ball around by poor exection from our defense which could have closed the door. My point to you sir, we don't have any true SEC talent, yeah 4 or 5 on the team. This ain't Cohen's fault! Cohen is stating facts when he says we are scrappy (look at our 9th inning rally) but short on talent in winning these type games, but he also say we will. Just be patience as this team want quit or give up like some of our fans, Cohen want let that happen.
P.S. I was a huge RP fan, but damn he left our program a mess, last year and this year is by FOR the worse talent we have ever had in baseball. Who's fault is that?
P.S. I was a huge RP fan, but damn he left our program a mess, last year and this year is by FOR the worse talent we have ever had in baseball. Who's fault is that?
that is what the fcuking catcher is suppose to do to save the trips to the mound by the coaching staff..... but starting catcher = walk-on (hell he couldnt even get the ball to the pitcher last night in the 8th 1 at his feet and then one that completely missed Crosswhite).......jbulldog said:
If crosswhite doesnt go 3-2 on nearly every batter he doesnt throw that many pitches
Really? Seriously? What has happened to our baseball program?beachbumdawg said:
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on the mound, I NEVER wanted the coach to come out to the mound. Leave me alone and let me do my thing.
Crosswhite, unfortunately is the best we have in that situation. He was constantly one pitch away from winning it, and also, lets dont forget that the SS blew a chance to end the game. Half our staff couldnt make Delta State's weekend rotation. They are not D-1 pitchers, much less SEC pitchers.
We are not talented enough to win many games. End of story.
Crosswhite, unfortunately is the best we have in that situation. He was constantly one pitch away from winning it, and also, lets dont forget that the SS blew a chance to end the game. Half our staff couldnt make Delta State's weekend rotation. They are not D-1 pitchers, much less SEC pitchers.
We are not talented enough to win many games. End of story.
I'm not blaming Crosswhite. I'm blaming the people that recruited marginal SEC talent. If that pisses you off, than you have no business on this board or following an athletic program. There is NO depth on this team. That falls on Polk because the draft has been very, very kind of MSU. There is no excuse for Cohen to look down at his bullpen and see Crosswhite, Houston, Wesson and Swindle down there. Busby has also been a let down and I've heard from many in MPSA that he was a marginal SEC player/recruit as well. I understand that Chad is doing the best he can and I think he's a pretty decent pitcher, but you can't have a 6-3 lead with 2 outs and no one on and let it unwravel like that. Cohen let him stay out there because he's a senior with experience and we have multiple gas cans with limited experience and talent in the pen. I think Cohen did the right thing. It's up to the players to say "F You" I'm getting this **** done myself and not looking to the God Damn dugout looking for relief or a coach to trot out.
"coaches put players in a position to win games, then players have to make the plays". I thought as you last night, go get em', but then I was thinking who do we have better? No one.
Even IF Cohen was in fault for the pitching, error 9th inning, what about bases loaded no outs and we ONLY score two runs, is that Cohens fault as well. Baseball is a 27 out game, Crosswhite had two outs and two strikes then the ump squeezed the strike zone, plus we mad some bad defensive plays that COULD have won the game!
Btw, I don't think Cohen is perfect, but I really like his aggressive style, didn't you get tired of hearing "Bless there hearts"?
Even IF Cohen was in fault for the pitching, error 9th inning, what about bases loaded no outs and we ONLY score two runs, is that Cohens fault as well. Baseball is a 27 out game, Crosswhite had two outs and two strikes then the ump squeezed the strike zone, plus we mad some bad defensive plays that COULD have won the game!
Btw, I don't think Cohen is perfect, but I really like his aggressive style, didn't you get tired of hearing "Bless there hearts"?
manage the fcuking game you dip ****.......which I thought he did a **** job of last night behind the plate.....several times he should have walked his candy *** to the mound to calm crosswhite.....didnt happen one frikkin time......wbc40 said:
of innings....maybe you have thrown many more than me....but I never, ever wanted coach to come out to the mound to see me. However, I had some very good coaches in my time and there were some times they came out there whether I wanted them to or not. I do agree we are not talented enough to win many games. Cohen will change that in time....I just hope people give him the time he really needs.Coach34 said:
why are we arguing again? I totally understand my mechanics were flawless and i was able to work things out alot by myself and everybody is not like I am. I was fortunate enough to have an outstanding baseball coach for a father and worked on my mechanics from the time I was 3 years old. However, when you get to the college level, its rare they are going to have a mechanical change during a ballgame. And you can shout encouragement from the dugout.
I just dont think the staff made a mistake by not visiting the mound. I think Crooswhite nitpicking and going deep into counts along with some defensive mistakes cost us. Jackie was 100% correct as someone mentioned earlier- you put players in position to be successful, and players have to make the plays.
I just dont think the staff made a mistake by not visiting the mound. I think Crooswhite nitpicking and going deep into counts along with some defensive mistakes cost us. Jackie was 100% correct as someone mentioned earlier- you put players in position to be successful, and players have to make the plays.
I just stated something factual.....I also threw a lot of innings and my coaches came to see me on the mound...even post high school. Beyond that unfortunately, I cannot say from personal experience but as an avid MLB fan I have witnessed visits to the mound by many pitching coaches as well as managers. Like the old saying goes...let's just agree to disagree on last night and move on with baseball. The last word is yours.