Riley's thoughts on the QB position.
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I think the somewhat major revelation, is that he's going to narrow down the race pretty quick. We have what, 5 QB's on scholly plus whatever walk-ons we might have?
I think he's pretty clear that its going to be a 3 dog race, and not like a 6 dog race. So if you are expecting to impress, you better do it quick.
I think he's pretty clear that its going to be a 3 dog race, and not like a 6 dog race. So if you are expecting to impress, you better do it quick.
Some quick thoughts, some may be taken as negative; however I am fully aware HCMR has taken a walk-on and jumped him over seniority and scholarship status - and seen them star:
- We want to complete over 60%. Going by spring games and history Fyfe and Stanton are your top over 60 guys. TA had poor passing stats in the B1G in stretches; so the 51% may have been padded non conference?
- Decisions . The new QB coaching is the best thing that could have happened for TA; he has to make the transition to bring in the TE and finding the open man. TA is a good 2 minute guy and long ball; running game could be situational for him - but HCMR has leaned to treating db's closer to a Pro format. Fyfe had a lead on a hard charging Stanton early; then we didn't see. Others are talented, Bush called by rumors a top physical talent, can he catch up as a fast study?Any position switch talent?
- Will youth be served; that might leave out a talented senior. Is there another who has medical issues; limits the South. Leaves four of three. I think we should give a lot of playing time to a backup, and play three in rout's. TA if not a starter; should play a Ron Kellogg 3 role. Come in when its not getting done and free wheel it.
: : : So: Just being a guy with no access :: my todays line-up
Fyfe - Stanton / TA / Bush
- We want to complete over 60%. Going by spring games and history Fyfe and Stanton are your top over 60 guys. TA had poor passing stats in the B1G in stretches; so the 51% may have been padded non conference?
- Decisions . The new QB coaching is the best thing that could have happened for TA; he has to make the transition to bring in the TE and finding the open man. TA is a good 2 minute guy and long ball; running game could be situational for him - but HCMR has leaned to treating db's closer to a Pro format. Fyfe had a lead on a hard charging Stanton early; then we didn't see. Others are talented, Bush called by rumors a top physical talent, can he catch up as a fast study?Any position switch talent?
- Will youth be served; that might leave out a talented senior. Is there another who has medical issues; limits the South. Leaves four of three. I think we should give a lot of playing time to a backup, and play three in rout's. TA if not a starter; should play a Ron Kellogg 3 role. Come in when its not getting done and free wheel it.
: : : So: Just being a guy with no access :: my todays line-up
Fyfe - Stanton / TA / Bush
I actually don't have very good thoughts about this. HCMR is stepping out his comfort zone, but that doesn't mean it will be very successful with the offense. I'd feel better about it if he ran the system that he is comfortable with. If he tries to change things up too much, it's just going to muddy the waters, and next year's results are not going to be very pretty.
TA is not QB material in any way, shape, or form.
I think HCMR would be better off taking the guy with the highest ceiling (Bush, Fyfe, or Stanton) and running the system he is used to running.
Spending two years in a discombobulated offense, just to cater it around TA doesn't make much sense to me.
TA is not QB material in any way, shape, or form.
I think HCMR would be better off taking the guy with the highest ceiling (Bush, Fyfe, or Stanton) and running the system he is used to running.
Spending two years in a discombobulated offense, just to cater it around TA doesn't make much sense to me.
It's not that he already anointed TA as the starter this fall.Sure everyone going to get a long hard look. You also can't disregard playing time.
Not sure what you mean by running the system he is comfortable with, I have confidence that he smart enough to fit his system with the talent we have and if he can expose an offense with what he is't use too because of the talent I'm all for it.
Not like Callahan tring to pass the ball all over knowing he can run the ball better.
We don't know if Stanton will be good in Riley's system or not now do we? Until they put on the pads and face a pass rush in a new offense, we have no idea who will perform better. Armstrong has the advantage to start out but he is going to have to improve his accuracy, completion percentage, and decision making. The word I heard from a coaching staff member was that he thought Stanton was going to win the starting job by conference play this past fall. He said he made better decisions and was a much better passer during bowl practices a little over a year ago.Originally posted by jeans15:
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Inconsistent TA definitely is but your opinion on him is wrong. Especially in the next sentence you say start a QB with no experience as if we know they are better. Newsflash Stanton isn't that good Elite 11 camp means nothing.
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As far as Stanton, if you can't grasp playbooks as a QB, do we want that person as our QB?
I agree...I was commenting on this foolishness that TA isn't a college QB. As if he has done nothing on this level.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
We don't know if Stanton will be good in Riley's system or not now do we? Until they put on the pads and face a pass rush in a new offense, we have no idea who will perform better. Armstrong has the advantage to start out but he is going to have to improve his accuracy, completion percentage, and decision making. The word I heard from a coaching staff member was that he thought Stanton was going to win the starting job by conference play this past fall. He said he made better decisions and was a much better passer during bowl practices a little over a year ago.Originally posted by jeans15:
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Inconsistent TA definitely is but your opinion on him is wrong. Especially in the next sentence you say start a QB with no experience as if we know they are better. Newsflash Stanton isn't that good Elite 11 camp means nothing.It will be fun to watch a true competition.
As far as Stanton, if you can't grasp playbooks as a QB, do we want that person as our QB?
So where did you hear that Stanton couldn't grasp the playbook? I've never heard that about Stanton and that is the usual excuse that we heard the last 7 years offense or defense for not putting a talented guy on the field. Invariably it seemed when that was used it was because that player had done or said something to irritate the head coach. (Jamal Turner's early career comment about TM's passing). When Pierson-El blew a pattern and it caused a very costly late game interception, we never heard a word about him "not grasping the playbook". IF you were on the right side of your head coach, he would tear in to anybody that questioned your play.Originally posted by jeans15:
QI agree...I was commenting on this foolishness that TA isn't a college QB. As if he has done nothing on this level.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
We don't know if Stanton will be good in Riley's system or not now do we? Until they put on the pads and face a pass rush in a new offense, we have no idea who will perform better. Armstrong has the advantage to start out but he is going to have to improve his accuracy, completion percentage, and decision making. The word I heard from a coaching staff member was that he thought Stanton was going to win the starting job by conference play this past fall. He said he made better decisions and was a much better passer during bowl practices a little over a year ago.Originally posted by jeans15:
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Inconsistent TA definitely is but your opinion on him is wrong. Especially in the next sentence you say start a QB with no experience as if we know they are better. Newsflash Stanton isn't that good Elite 11 camp means nothing.It will be fun to watch a true competition.
As far as Stanton, if you can't grasp playbooks as a QB, do we want that person as our QB?
Or like I said, earlier. He wasn't good enough. Even the media states he wasn't ready. Not grasping the offense is not understanding the playbook to me.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
So where did you hear that Stanton couldn't grasp the playbook? I've never heard that about Stanton and that is the usual excuse that we heard the last 7 years offense or defense for not putting a talented guy on the field. Invariably it seemed when that was used it was because that player had done or said something to irritate the head coach. (Jamal Turner's early career comment about TM's passing). When Pierson-El blew a pattern and it caused a very costly late game interception, we never heard a word about him "not grasping the playbook". IF you were on the right side of your head coach, he would tear in to anybody that questioned your play.Originally posted by jeans15:
QI agree...I was commenting on this foolishness that TA isn't a college QB. As if he has done nothing on this level.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
We don't know if Stanton will be good in Riley's system or not now do we? Until they put on the pads and face a pass rush in a new offense, we have no idea who will perform better. Armstrong has the advantage to start out but he is going to have to improve his accuracy, completion percentage, and decision making. The word I heard from a coaching staff member was that he thought Stanton was going to win the starting job by conference play this past fall. He said he made better decisions and was a much better passer during bowl practices a little over a year ago.Originally posted by jeans15:
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Inconsistent TA definitely is but your opinion on him is wrong. Especially in the next sentence you say start a QB with no experience as if we know they are better. Newsflash Stanton isn't that good Elite 11 camp means nothing.It will be fun to watch a true competition.
As far as Stanton, if you can't grasp playbooks as a QB, do we want that person as our QB?
Who knows the reasons certain players didn't get much playing time, I know I don't. This will be a lot of fun watching the QB race this spring and we are about to get some real answers as to what was going on during the bo regime. Thank God we have a real coach that can coach up a QB and who knows maybe TA will flourish in MR system.
For the first time in a long time I'm very excited to see kids get some real coaching from coaches that really know how to coach and I'm not saying they got questionable coaching from all the coaches from the former staff but some were very questionable and it showed.
For the first time in a long time I'm very excited to see kids get some real coaching from coaches that really know how to coach and I'm not saying they got questionable coaching from all the coaches from the former staff but some were very questionable and it showed.
Regardless of which QB gets the nod, I expect Riley and Langsdorf to make sure they don't venture outside the QBs comfort zone or skill set. Tommy is very good at play action, vertical routes and post routes. If they go with Tommy, I dont anticipate the offense deviating from a simplistic route system. I also anticipate they will use a lot of boot action and try to get him out of the pocket with more run pass options.
The irony of Tim Beck was that he recruited run heavy dual threat guys and wanted them to become Todd Reesing. Why the Hell didn't he just recruit a player like Todd Reesing? Why the Hell didn't he go after Burrow?
The irony of Tim Beck was that he recruited run heavy dual threat guys and wanted them to become Todd Reesing. Why the Hell didn't he just recruit a player like Todd Reesing? Why the Hell didn't he go after Burrow?
Please tell me WHICH media member had enough access to KNOW that Stanton wasn't ready. All Sipple ever wrote was what he was spoon fed by Bo. They didn't know sh## because Pelini never allowed ANY access. One of Bo's OWN STAFF said that he thought Stanton would be the starter by conference play last fall based on his performance in bowl practices.
Tommy regressed under Bo just like everyone else has. I expect to see the Tommy I've always thought I'd see under center. Thank you coach Riley.
How do you explain TMart becoming first team All Big Ten as a junior? I'm not sure I would call that regression.
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Why don't you contribute something bootleg. I stated I had no insider connection and how did the press so; or read the other posts here. I am a TA fan; but the coach wants a 60% passer; I have stated imo the new qb coaching should make TA happy = this is his chance to do all he can be. 1620 the zone was calling the last half of the B1G season last year TA's revenge tour - not because of the year before, but because his stats were so bad in the first half. His potential and weaknesses are documented.
A Spring game is still a competition and yes Fyfe did well against the " blackshirts" on drives. Stanton came on, imo; where else do we see it or they show it; in practice throwing a few balls around ; with subjective people making the decisions. I believe every player has a right to reps and legitimate promotion - Play a few games and your entitled royalty?
I googled and it brought me back to this site for stats; so look them up for us. I believe Fyfe and maybe Stanton completed over 70% in the Spring game and ran well against a variety of competition, but good players. TA probably had a similar player mix with a higher string O - he did poorly early; I don't have his ending stats; but he has had games like that. If a rb is sucking; any problem trying another? Even on a rotation, hoping for a better day ?
A Spring game is still a competition and yes Fyfe did well against the " blackshirts" on drives. Stanton came on, imo; where else do we see it or they show it; in practice throwing a few balls around ; with subjective people making the decisions. I believe every player has a right to reps and legitimate promotion - Play a few games and your entitled royalty?
I googled and it brought me back to this site for stats; so look them up for us. I believe Fyfe and maybe Stanton completed over 70% in the Spring game and ran well against a variety of competition, but good players. TA probably had a similar player mix with a higher string O - he did poorly early; I don't have his ending stats; but he has had games like that. If a rb is sucking; any problem trying another? Even on a rotation, hoping for a better day ?
Why don't you contribute something bootleg. I stated I had no insider connection and how did the press so; or read the other posts here. I am a TA fan; but the coach wants a 60% passer; I have stated imo the new qb coaching should make TA happy = this is his chance to do all he can be. 1620 the zone was calling the last half of the B1G season last year TA's revenge tour - not because of the year before, but because his stats were so bad in the first half. His potential and weaknesses are documented.
A Spring game is still a competition and yes Fyfe did well against the " blackshirts" on drives. Stanton came on, imo; where else do we see it or they show it; in practice throwing a few balls around ; with subjective people making the decisions. I believe every player has a right to reps and legitimate promotion - Play a few games and your entitled royalty?
I googled and it brought me back to this site for stats; so look them up for us. I believe Fyfe and maybe Stanton completed over 70% in the Spring game and ran well against a variety of competition, but good players. TA probably had a similar player mix with a higher string O - he did poorly early; I don't have his ending stats; but he has had games like that. If a rb is sucking; any problem trying another? Even on a rotation, hoping for a better day ?
A Spring game is still a competition and yes Fyfe did well against the " blackshirts" on drives. Stanton came on, imo; where else do we see it or they show it; in practice throwing a few balls around ; with subjective people making the decisions. I believe every player has a right to reps and legitimate promotion - Play a few games and your entitled royalty?
I googled and it brought me back to this site for stats; so look them up for us. I believe Fyfe and maybe Stanton completed over 70% in the Spring game and ran well against a variety of competition, but good players. TA probably had a similar player mix with a higher string O - he did poorly early; I don't have his ending stats; but he has had games like that. If a rb is sucking; any problem trying another? Even on a rotation, hoping for a better day ?
Tommy's primary problem was decision making. I think Beck's system was just too complicated. I am hoping that Riley will have a simplified system that will help Tommy make quicker and simpler decisions.
Let's make a checklist:
Must have the ability to:
Check down to receiver options 2, 3, 4, & 5Not stare down a receiverRead the opposing defenseThrow the ball accurately incl short, medium, and long rangesLeadership, incl calming down teammatesNot get rattledGood decision makingQuick thinkingScramble when neededProtect the footballCall the plays, get team in right positionsCall audibles when needed
This is just a quick list. feel free to add to it.
Must have the ability to:
Check down to receiver options 2, 3, 4, & 5Not stare down a receiverRead the opposing defenseThrow the ball accurately incl short, medium, and long rangesLeadership, incl calming down teammatesNot get rattledGood decision makingQuick thinkingScramble when neededProtect the footballCall the plays, get team in right positionsCall audibles when needed
This is just a quick list. feel free to add to it.
TA: nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, sometimes, sometimes, nope, oh hell no, nope, yep, nope, yes, yes, sometimes.
Stanton: what became of him after his injury?