and I read it as meaning no sarcasm..Im not kidding about this.. not I was kidding.therightway said:
Then I saw you posted it and wasnt sure anymore thus why I said what I did in the end. Carry on.
Ring Responsibility? Educating people on how and when to ring? Please....
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Then I saw you posted it and wasnt sure anymore thus why I said what I did in the end. Carry on.
I don't wave it, nor does the vast majority of the people inside the stadium anymore. It's over. Been over. Glad it's over. Has nothing to do with this at all anyway.
Stop calling yourself your racist school name dedicated to the old ways of the south, and calling yourself Rebels.
The mascot is gone..the flag is gone..shed the whole image.
The mascot is gone..the flag is gone..shed the whole image.
I'm not saying it's not a tradition.
I'm saying, calling something a tradition doesn't exclude it from legislation or removal.
That's like the cops showing up to my house and I'm the middle of slaughtering my fourth hooker of the day, and I say, "Oh, hey guys, false alarm. It's OK that I'm doing this, actually, because it's been a tradition of my family's for generations. So yeah, tradition."
I'm saying, calling something a tradition doesn't exclude it from legislation or removal.
That's like the cops showing up to my house and I'm the middle of slaughtering my fourth hooker of the day, and I say, "Oh, hey guys, false alarm. It's OK that I'm doing this, actually, because it's been a tradition of my family's for generations. So yeah, tradition."
That's right your own people.
The cowbell is a tradition MSU should be the only one who can get rid of it. If Florida, Bama, Auburn, Georgia want to start ringing cowbells or shaking thundersticks and call it tradition who cares? Its not like those places can get any louder. Teams already cant hear there. Will we be even more unable to hear at those places??
I mean seriously are they going to start telling fans when they can yell? What is the difference?
The cowbell is a tradition MSU should be the only one who can get rid of it. If Florida, Bama, Auburn, Georgia want to start ringing cowbells or shaking thundersticks and call it tradition who cares? Its not like those places can get any louder. Teams already cant hear there. Will we be even more unable to hear at those places??
I mean seriously are they going to start telling fans when they can yell? What is the difference?
If you cant tell what the difference between yelling and ringing a cowbell I dont know what to tell you.Dawgfan61 said:
from al.com. Such a unbiased reliable source.
There is no way LSU's crowd noise is not more loud than any cowbell ringing crowd at DWS.
If I was that butt hole at al.com I would be more concerned with the 38 quarters streak without a holding call that Ala currently has if I was concerned about fairness.
I will give you a little hint. He was being an *******. Glad I could help.
There is no way LSU's crowd noise is not more loud than any cowbell ringing crowd at DWS.
If I was that butt hole at al.com I would be more concerned with the 38 quarters streak without a holding call that Ala currently has if I was concerned about fairness.
I will give you a little hint. He was being an *******. Glad I could help.
won't be in Destin to complain next summer, then I'd say it doesn't matter whether the rules are different or not. Also, do you really think Slive is going to levy a fine against State because Memphis had a delay of game penalty due to the cowbells? I doubt he gives a rip.</p>
My guess is that it will be night and day in terms of MSU's approach to cowbells in conference vs nonconference games, and the same will go to the way the SEC office handles them too.</p>
My guess is that it will be night and day in terms of MSU's approach to cowbells in conference vs nonconference games, and the same will go to the way the SEC office handles them too.</p>
I agree its not likely but we might use it as a game to break in the rules so people are ready for sec and we prove we can do what we stated.
Can MSU fans remember that bell ringing at certain times are only allowed during sec game or do we need to "train" the fans how it should be every game.
long time till august..lots of gray are and questions to be answered indeed.
Can MSU fans remember that bell ringing at certain times are only allowed during sec game or do we need to "train" the fans how it should be every game.
long time till august..lots of gray are and questions to be answered indeed.
The athletic department needs to make sure everyone understands this. If we don't follow the rule, this will be the consequences of it. They will just keep raising the fine until it works.DowntownDawg wrote:W[/b said:
What I am getting at is if UT with 100,000 people can have the advantage of creating noise by yelling to drown out the opposing signals, why can't 55000 seat DWS have the same advantage with cowbells? Are we supposed to be a disadvantage at home because we hold 45000 less people?? I doubt 55000 people WITH cowbells creates as much noise as 100,000 yelling. Just saying let any and all noisemakers in where the energy to create the sound is produced by humans (i.e. cowbells, thundersticks, those annoying south african oboe sounding things you will hear during the world cup, etc...) and not air or electronics (i.e. bullhorns, airhorns, etc...). Loud is loud anywhere you go what difference does it make?
Simply put..Yes.Dawgfan61 said:
TN has been more successful and built on that success with a larger structure and more fans.
but you're saying that you doubt those numbers? I don't doubt them one bit, because that's what we've been trying to do with cowbells - distract the other team's offense.<div>
</div><div>The fact is, we're in the minority on this issue. The choices are to remain in direct violation of a league rule that we don't have the power to overturn (with likely steep and increasing fines) or to try to work a compromise in which we give something up. If it's about tradition more than wanting to get people to jump offsides, then the latter is what we *should* be in favor of, IMO.</div><div>
</div><div>The last thing the poorest school in the SEC needs to be doing during a run of conference expansion and realignment is filing freaking lawsuits. That, much like the "pass the bucket" stuff all over this board, is absurd.</div>
</div><div>The fact is, we're in the minority on this issue. The choices are to remain in direct violation of a league rule that we don't have the power to overturn (with likely steep and increasing fines) or to try to work a compromise in which we give something up. If it's about tradition more than wanting to get people to jump offsides, then the latter is what we *should* be in favor of, IMO.</div><div>
</div><div>The last thing the poorest school in the SEC needs to be doing during a run of conference expansion and realignment is filing freaking lawsuits. That, much like the "pass the bucket" stuff all over this board, is absurd.</div>
Ugh No..the law is laid out for each state no matter the size is 2.Dawgfan61 said:
The law of the land is artificial noisemakers are illegal (except cowbells NOW)
topbulldawg said:
The better comparison, and I made this one on Nafoom, is From Dixie With Love. Chancellor Jones offered the students the chance to keep the real tradition (the song) if they could get rid of the ******** chant part of it.
That's what the SEC is doing, saying you can have your cowbells if you don't try to use them to influence the game.
The other common part is that we all knew the students wouldn't get rid of the chant, just like we know your fans will still be ringing bells on big 3rd downs. The question is how will the SEC respond. I'm sure they'll just keep jacking up the fine until MSU has to do something about it themselves, which is where this will eventually lead.
enjoy yourself this next year, cause you will be the reason we totally lose them the next year...
Don't worry about the regulations. Thats just code to bring the cowbells into the game and ring them as loud as possible when the opposing team is on offense....thats how I read it....
Why has a school like UT "earned" the right to have a greater noise advantage at home? They are a much larger school, with a much larger fan base, and consequently a much larger stadium...and therefore they get to have a noise advantage and smaller schools do not??
Seriously, the question is, how is that fair at all? What is really "unfair" about a smaller school attempting to approach the decibel level of the stadia at larger schools?
The arguments we get on this are usually quite circular in logic. Artificial noisemakers were banned because they are "unfair." Artificial noisemakers are "unfair" because they were banned.
Where is the actual logic? Why can a smaller school not try to create more noise, so long as the decibel level remains reasonable, and its not some electronically enhanced sound?
The NCAA repealed its excessive noise rules, so why is this even an issue?
Seriously, the question is, how is that fair at all? What is really "unfair" about a smaller school attempting to approach the decibel level of the stadia at larger schools?
The arguments we get on this are usually quite circular in logic. Artificial noisemakers were banned because they are "unfair." Artificial noisemakers are "unfair" because they were banned.
Where is the actual logic? Why can a smaller school not try to create more noise, so long as the decibel level remains reasonable, and its not some electronically enhanced sound?
The NCAA repealed its excessive noise rules, so why is this even an issue?
that the cowbells cause teams to jump off side. It does not anymore and likely less than the noise at Fla or LSU or Bama.
The cowbells offer no more advantage than the noise at the other SEC schools. If their noise is providing an advantage then they should be willing to reduce crowd size. Seems fairness is relative in their and your opinion. Fairness is not relative in regard to this particular issue. Noise is noise.....and BTW the NCAA has recognized the futility and silliness of trying to regulate crowd noise. Why should the SEC?
The cowbells offer no more advantage than the noise at the other SEC schools. If their noise is providing an advantage then they should be willing to reduce crowd size. Seems fairness is relative in their and your opinion. Fairness is not relative in regard to this particular issue. Noise is noise.....and BTW the NCAA has recognized the futility and silliness of trying to regulate crowd noise. Why should the SEC?
I'm saying that you absolutely cannot deny the fact that one of the purposes of sneaking a cowbell into a game is to distract the other team's offense, and apparently, it's accomplishing that goal. 50K + 10K with bells will never been equal to 90K with voices, regardless of decibels. Those other teams are putting twice as many asses in the seats as we are to generate their noise. "Noise is noise" sounds like a sad excuse that makes it seem like we deserve an exception in order to level the playing field because we can't sell enough tickets to have a natural home field advantage. I'm not buying that, and I think to buy into that is to forward a pretty defeatist attitude. We sold 10,000 more tix per game last year and only won two home games.<div>
<div>The bottom line, regardless of why the SEC sees the need to do anything, is whether or not we're willing to save the tradition vs. save the fraction of possible competitive advantage. If there is no real advantage, as you claim, then what exactly is the problem? Just that the SEC can tell us what to do?</div><div>
</div><div>If the "my grandaddy gave me this bell" kind of stuff is what matters, then why would we not try to work something out? Under this new structure, I can make sure my entire family, from 3 year-old nephew to great grandmother, has a bell in hand and is loving every minute of it. We can mention the cowbell by name and have every person in DWS stadium ringing the **** out of one after 106 yard interception returns. That's a pretty neat opportunity. It's not that I hate cowbells or hate that we use them to our advantage when we can, but to say that we shouldn't even try to abide by the rules that we don't have the power to overturn is asinine.</div><div><div>
</div><div>Again, if your best alternative to abiding by the rules is to sue the conference whose members would love any excuse to move forward without us ... I don't really know what to tell you.</div></div></div>
<div>The bottom line, regardless of why the SEC sees the need to do anything, is whether or not we're willing to save the tradition vs. save the fraction of possible competitive advantage. If there is no real advantage, as you claim, then what exactly is the problem? Just that the SEC can tell us what to do?</div><div>
</div><div>If the "my grandaddy gave me this bell" kind of stuff is what matters, then why would we not try to work something out? Under this new structure, I can make sure my entire family, from 3 year-old nephew to great grandmother, has a bell in hand and is loving every minute of it. We can mention the cowbell by name and have every person in DWS stadium ringing the **** out of one after 106 yard interception returns. That's a pretty neat opportunity. It's not that I hate cowbells or hate that we use them to our advantage when we can, but to say that we shouldn't even try to abide by the rules that we don't have the power to overturn is asinine.</div><div><div>
</div><div>Again, if your best alternative to abiding by the rules is to sue the conference whose members would love any excuse to move forward without us ... I don't really know what to tell you.</div></div></div>
commented on this issue, but to suggest that cowbells is A reason (among others) that a team loses at DWS is just f-ing stupid. People bring them to games because it is a tradition. Sure they might "think" they'll draw a team offsides, but that is just ridiculous. If you are a starting OL in the SEC and a freaking bell draws you offsides, then you are just a dubmass.
you keep implying that MSU has some advantage that other school don't have.
And "noise is noise" regardless of what you think. Geeeeze.
Oh....and the SEC won't move forward without us.
And "noise is noise" regardless of what you think. Geeeeze.
Oh....and the SEC won't move forward without us.
Instead of me continuing to repeat that it's the intent and source of the noise that matters more than the actual decibels and you continuing to ignore every other point I make, let's just agree to disagree. Good luck with the lawsuit.