Rod Taylor Commits to TSUN
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Pretty good solution. We may be able then to possibly recruit as well as Ole Miss. Too many Yankees on our coaching staff to recruit well in my opinion.
Nutt recruited based on stars and you see where that got him. The past eight years how many top 20 classes has Ole Miss had? Way more then us but we have managed to beat them four out of the last six years. I think you need to recruit based on what you need and who you think can fill those positions with the right attitude. I think there is more then just looking at someone's athletic ability. Attitude and the ability to think is just as important. Many of these two and three star guys at smaller schools would be four and five stars at MC, SP, and many other big schools in the state. The fact remains that these guys at smaller schools don't have the same weight rooms, equipment or facilities or the coaching the big schools do. I think Mullen's staff will do a good job coaching these guys up.
I like the prospects that we have so far, and realize some of them are virtually unknown to the recruiting services at this point. That's all great, and I know it's still early and you have to try to focus on the big picture. However, I feel like there is a lot to be desired with our football recruiting. I know some of this has to do with coach attrition and we've had our share, but I think it's mostly attributed to the fact that Mullen hates recruiting. I think he hates it more than most. I can't blame him, and after some of the episodes he's had to endure I think it's worn on him. It's like drudgery. I really think this is why our our approach to recruiting is somewhat deficient, and less effective compared to some other schools. In other words, we would get some of these blue chip guys if we had someone to take the helm and sell our damn program. What does Ole Miss have that we lack......nothing, except a bunch of blue blood ******** and imposters. Our coaches need to junk the chicken little perception ****. I'm not saying Mullen needs to be gone, I value his loyalty and he doesn't put on any airs for anyone. But bottom line is, we need to be more aggressive and less obscure when it comes to competing in the recruiting game.
lets look at oklahoma state....last 4 playing classes have been 18th, 18th, 24th, and 25th....and their classes have always been in that range, yet they are perennial top 15 and playing in bcs bowls. that have **** tons of cash, top grade facilities, good fan support, yet pull in classes that get you skull drug in the sec.
guys, we play murder's row. put yourselves in the recruits shoes...you have alabama, lsu, auburn, and mississippi state offers all on the table. compare everything they have....recent national titles, premium facilities, huge support base, money out the ***, and compare that to a promise of "maybe if we can get enough of you guys, we can make it to a bowl" and you soon get my point.
i know not getting the calloway guys is a big deal to some of you, but if you thought they were going to state, you havent been paying attention. we constantly compare ourselves to ole miss to a fault, so lets do that here....when dan was hired, he said he would recruit the state of mississippi and he has largely done that. i dont even have to look up that on a good year, ole miss is splitting the dandy dozen players and more years than not, we get our share of mississippi kids (ones not from south panola, madison central, etc).
i want great classes every year, but put yourself in a rational frame of mind...i dont like bracky and think its probably time for him to be shown the door, but hes not the reason we cant break in the top 15 with our classes. we simply are not remotely prepared to execute at that recruiting level. everyone wants a great class, but those serious about it take action and throw a boatload of cash at it. its obvious in every facet of our program. there are a handfull of coaches out there that MIGHT could elevate us to that level and in case its news to some of you, they arent walking through that door anytime soon. what name do yall see us getting that could legitimately command top 5 classes?
yall, thats what we are asking of any coach that comes to mississippi state....to pull in top 5 classes in years like this, or top 10 classes in an off year. thats what it takes to compete with lsu, alabama, atm. now, if you want to make it about ole miss, their class will at best be 5th or 6th....and that is hardly being a contender. we have multiple problems and challenges, but this isnt the type of thing that is easily fixed. the sooner we realize how deep the bottom of our hole is, the sooner we start making steady strides to get out. we arent jumping out of this hole....its far too deep.
guys, we play murder's row. put yourselves in the recruits shoes...you have alabama, lsu, auburn, and mississippi state offers all on the table. compare everything they have....recent national titles, premium facilities, huge support base, money out the ***, and compare that to a promise of "maybe if we can get enough of you guys, we can make it to a bowl" and you soon get my point.
i know not getting the calloway guys is a big deal to some of you, but if you thought they were going to state, you havent been paying attention. we constantly compare ourselves to ole miss to a fault, so lets do that here....when dan was hired, he said he would recruit the state of mississippi and he has largely done that. i dont even have to look up that on a good year, ole miss is splitting the dandy dozen players and more years than not, we get our share of mississippi kids (ones not from south panola, madison central, etc).
i want great classes every year, but put yourself in a rational frame of mind...i dont like bracky and think its probably time for him to be shown the door, but hes not the reason we cant break in the top 15 with our classes. we simply are not remotely prepared to execute at that recruiting level. everyone wants a great class, but those serious about it take action and throw a boatload of cash at it. its obvious in every facet of our program. there are a handfull of coaches out there that MIGHT could elevate us to that level and in case its news to some of you, they arent walking through that door anytime soon. what name do yall see us getting that could legitimately command top 5 classes?
yall, thats what we are asking of any coach that comes to mississippi state....to pull in top 5 classes in years like this, or top 10 classes in an off year. thats what it takes to compete with lsu, alabama, atm. now, if you want to make it about ole miss, their class will at best be 5th or 6th....and that is hardly being a contender. we have multiple problems and challenges, but this isnt the type of thing that is easily fixed. the sooner we realize how deep the bottom of our hole is, the sooner we start making steady strides to get out. we arent jumping out of this hole....its far too deep.
Good thing they don't play in the SEC, then. Nobody expects to be a top 5 recruiting class year in and out. But we can do better than we have the 3 of the past 4 years. Our only decent recruiting class with Mullen full time came with Ole Miss in flux. Ole Miss, Kentucky and Vanderbilt all started recruiting better immediately under their new coaches, why does it take us 5 years, longer evidently?
In reference to your number 2 point, why did he not have any interest in MSU from the beginning? Seems like this happens quite a bit to us. Something tells me our coaching staff is not doing what is required to recruit well.
First of all, congratulations on another great novel. You should really look for a different publisher. Your work definitely doesn't get the praise it deserves
And Oklahoma State's coach Gundy was looking to jump into the SEC? Part of the reason that OSU is up with average recruiting classes is because the Big 12 is losing recruits to the SEC. So, they end up beating up on each other.
Top 5 or 6 is nothing.** Back-to-back Top 10 recruiting classes, who cares?** We're going to wait until we hit rock bottom before we decide to get out. Glad we didn't wait to hit rock bottom with Crxxm (or was The Maine rock bottom?**).
"It's only July" means less when you look at the chart and realize many programs have 1/2 to 2/3 of their recruiting class already committed. Unless your strategy is to flip some from LSU, Bama, OM, etc you'd better have a healthy nest of your own started by now. The General is right--we don't exactly have a great history of finishing strong. If flips were charted like turn overs, I'd bet we are -5 on average. The in-state ones we've lost so far haven't been big surprises, but we need to starting mowing them down soon. THe bears are actually pulling for Mullen to stay. They want him to go 6-6, make a minor bowl every year--as long as he stays. They are so over confident they can out recruit him in-state, they don't want him to leave.
vanderbit has had the 50th ranked class (2011), the 45th ranked class (2012), the 19th ranked class (2013), and their current class is 36th....point being, vanderbilt is a horrible example of a team whose classes we would want to emulate. as far as kentucky is concerned, they have yet to log a class and nsd is 7 months away. ole miss is the only legitimate example...and yes, they are kicking our asses....but you seem to have avoided my larger point....what everyone seems to avoid, that if you want to look at recruiting class strength based solely on rankings, at best we still come in 3rd in our own division. for us to compete, it would require top 5 classes....PERIOD. that is what our fellow sec division rivals are doing.
you bring up ole miss....my point with them, they had their best signing class EVER, yet still only managed the 3rd best class in the sec west....3rd in their own division!!! my point is that it is not good enough to be happy with a top 15 class because that would mean the top 5 classes we play against would still beat us, and we would only be playing for 3rd or 4th.
nobody is outright saying we expect top 5 classes from mullen or anybody else, but the simple fact is, thats exactly the type of class that would afford us the opportunity to compete with alabama, lsu, atm. if we cannot out recruit the top 2 or 3 schools in our division, i dont really see much difference in that and what we are doing now because we can compete with teams 4-6 based on their current recruiting level. if we swapped places with om, we would still be in the exact same boat, but with a better seat.
here is the confusing part...i do think we need to improve recruiting, but until people start offering up real solutions about how to do it, its without substance.
mike: we need a better recruiting class
steve: i agree...
steve: how exactly would we go about doing that?
mike: errrr.....fire bracky britt....i mean errr.....hire mark hudspeth
those arent real solutions imo, because they dont address the problems...like the city of starkvilles ****** attitude or the lack of assistants that make their living on the recruiting trail. our problem is that we dont have a singular problem, rather a ton of nit-picky problems that never get solved because everybody is looking to win the chess match in one move.
I think the concern this year is that in past classes, Mullen has done really well with the in-state classes, and a large portion of their signees came from the State. While the latter may be true this year again, Ole Miss is quickly cherry picking the top ones in the State, unlike last year where our top signees were from out of MS. I expect us to sign 4 of the 7 current 4 stars according to 24/7 composite, and have a shot at 5. Florida State has more commitments than State does in the MS top 20 right now, although I think one of their commitments (Pack) will sign with us. True, it's early. But it's still concerning, considering how poorly Mullen has traditionally closed.
1. ill go ahead and take that as an unintended compliment...and for flare, ill tip my cap.
2. that is exactly the point. osu is considered a perennial elite team, yet they dont have elite classes...all that to illustrate the fact that we dont have the convenience of a softer conference....we are victims of circumstance and thus, we need to change things from the ground up if we want to compete. when compared to our sec counterparts, our investments into the program are last on nearly every list.
3. my overall point is that we have to fundamentally change the way we do things in order to start achieving those levels of success.