Roe vs. Wade Overturned.

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warrior-cat

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Forced birth in a country with the highest maternal mortality rate, no paid maternity leave, no universal, subsidized childcare, no continued birth parent care, frequently inaccessible mental health care, no required cost sharing of the pregnant women's medical care

But remember, the Republicans are the right to life party, LOL!
Yet allowing the border to be overrun with millions more people many children and pregnant women by the left with the same situations as mentioned above makes sense though. Got it.
 
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Just checking in to see if anyone has changed their minds by reading all of the insightful posts that I'm sure are in this thread.

I'm not about to read through all of those pages, but has the role of the man/father/sperm donor been discussed yet? If abortion is off the table, then the 'father' should be on the hook for half the pre-natal expenses. Then do a DNA test the day the kid is born and he has to do his part for 18 years or he is penalized under the law.
 

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Half the country has auto ban laws in place the moment this happens so it's tough to say it isn't going to have a drastic effect. Like Mega was mentioning, if the Supreme Court suddenly decided gun manufacturers could be held liable for the death they result in, every liberal state in the country would have a ban in place in a heartbeat.

What's blowing my mind is that Alito is (allegedly) arguing that Roe v. Wade is too divisive. The next 6 months are going to be very interesting in this country.
And what happens every 2 years in states? Elections, so if the people don’t like the laws in these states they can vote out those responsible and vote in people that will change them. No one can vote on a Supreme Court judge, that isn’t democracy. The court route takes the heat off the elected leaders, and gives the people no say in the matter.

The same goes for your gun example.
 
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Not true in the least. I'm in Florida. I emailed my republican congressman to give me any examples of this happening and I've heard crickets. On other issues he has had responses. Like critical race theory and Disney this is a chosen battle with no real merits and is used to manipulate the many lemmings they represent. Just like most repubs believe the election of Biden was stolen. Pretty pathetic actually.
Have you read the bill? Given that it doesn't anything about "don't say gay"... Why was it portrayed that way by dems. It doesn't let teachers talk to k through 3rd grade about sex and sexual identity. That shouldn't be controversial. The left has gone nuts.

One co provided 15 forms of contraception through there insurance. They got sued and boycotted for not providing 22. You guys are nuts. Nothing is ever enough.

VA wanted to legalize post birth abortion. California is trying to allow abortion up to 28 days after birth. You guys will have it up to 2yo kids can be killed in another decade.
 
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Would you agree sometimes they can’t relate to the world they live in now? They get more stubborn with age and more set in their way and less willing to consider others opinions.
Sometimes, but if you want advice from someone on an important issue would you take it from a 20 year old that has never had a job or any responsibility or a 65 year old that has led a successful life?
 
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In skimming that opinion, it sounds like Alito wants to go after birth control and gay marriage next.

I don't have a horse in any of these races but don't want to see the aftermath of such decisions.
 
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Just checking in to see if anyone has changed their minds by reading all of the insightful posts that I'm sure are in this thread.

I'm not about to read through all of those pages, but has the role of the man/father/sperm donor been discussed yet? If abortion is off the table, then the 'father' should be on the hook for half the pre-natal expenses. Then do a DNA test the day the kid is born and he has to do his part for 18 years or he is penalized under the law.
Look at you acting all crazy, that would mean actually supporting the child and we can't have that!
 
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Sometimes, but if you want advice from someone on an important issue would you take it from a 20 year old that has never had a job or any responsibility or a 65 year old that has led a successful life?
That depends on what the issue is. Who determines what the definition of successful is? I know 20 year olds that you would take advice from over 65 year olds easily? Being older doesn’t make you smarter or more qualified to give advice. In regards to lawmakers, many stay in office because they have more money or simply because people “know” them which has nothing ti do with what they’ve done in office.
 
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Sometimes, but if you want advice from someone on an important issue would you take it from a 20 year old that has never had a job or any responsibility or a 65 year old that has led a successful life?

I'd argue that it's more important to have people of different backgrounds in government than experience. A 40 year old doctor, 50 year old librarian and 60 year old former Tech CEO would be more roundly knowledgeable than, say, an 80 year old attorney (who hasn't practiced in 30 years) on a committee about broadband internet.
 
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In skimming that opinion, it sounds like Alito wants to go after birth control and gay marriage next.

I don't have a horse in any of these races but don't want to see the aftermath of such decisions.
They (as in far right fascist conservatives) will be going after interracial marriage too. And making abortion illegal for everyone. And of course let's not forget them trying to illegally overturn the 2020 election.

They won't stop until the USA has turned into Gilead.
 

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Have always believed that abortion is one of those topics that politicians hone in on to distract us from real issues like the skyrocketing cost of living, inflation, etc. I lean conservative fiscally & liberal socially, wish republicans would be true to their "small government" word and let people make their own choices (not just talking about abortion).
 

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Have always believed that abortion is one of those topics that politicians hone in on to distract us from real issues like the skyrocketing cost of living, inflation, etc. I lean conservative fiscally & liberal socially, wish republicans would be true to their "small government" word and let people make their own choices (not just talking about abortion).

Truth ^
 

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Have always believed that abortion is one of those topics that politicians hone in on to distract us from real issues like the skyrocketing cost of living, inflation, etc. I lean conservative fiscally & liberal socially, wish republicans would be true to their "small government" word and let people make their own choices (not just talking about abortion).
Yep. The reason they liked the court deciding it was they didn't want to do their job. One side liked it because they got what they wanted. The other side hated it because it was legislating from the bench. It'll be sore spot for decades to come but putting together legislation will help more than just relying on a crappy court decision.
 

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Just like gambling and weed, losing abortion rights in KY will just cause lost revenue as women flee to Illinois or Missouri to get it done.
 

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I'd argue that it's more important to have people of different backgrounds in government than experience. A 40 year old doctor, 50 year old librarian and 60 year old former Tech CEO would be more roundly knowledgeable than, say, an 80 year old attorney (who hasn't practiced in 30 years) on a committee about broadband internet.
I agree, and you're making my point, but the issue isn't broadband alone, it's the county residents whose property is going to be damaged pushing it through. Would it be better to let the county residents decide through elections, or have a committee they have no say on decide?
 

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And I called it as I see it. Be proud for setting the country back decades. Maybe if your lucky, African Americans and women will lose the right to vote next. And you can have “your” country again just the way you want it.
Here is evidence that NBAcats is TCurtis. Same emotional non sequitur fear mongering. Proof positive that for Dems this is purely a political leverage point.
 

Bill Derington

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I'm not necessarily against abortion, there are times it is absolutely necessary, medical reasons for the mother and child. My point is that the point of this nation is for all of us to live together in harmony or somewhere in an agreed disagreement.
Elected officials that people vote on is the closest we can hope to that on decisions like abortion, the SCOTUS isn't the place for it. The people need to decide a topic like this.
 

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Have always believed that abortion is one of those topics that politicians hone in on to distract us from real issues like the skyrocketing cost of living, inflation, etc. I lean conservative fiscally & liberal socially, wish republicans would be true to their "small government" word and let people make their own choices (not just talking about abortion).

Exactly where I fall, well said. This was a “settled” hot button issue and now it’s opened back up. Look how berserk it’s made Nbacats. It’s a great way to motivate the masses and divide.
 

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If you think those two are even remotely similar, you should probably stop talking.

You should probably understand your opinion has no value to me and you're just upset because you want to cherry-pick when the fed makes personal decisions for people.

I'll stop talking ITT when you are emotionally stable.
 
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I agree, and you're making my point, but the issue isn't broadband alone, it's the county residents whose property is going to be damaged pushing it through. Would it be better to let the county residents decide through elections, or have a committee they have no say on decide?

My example was one of, potentially, thousands that are problematic and proof perfect as to why we need term limits across the board.

But your second argument isn't as much about who is in power as much as what the role of government should play in our lives. I agree, people should have a say about things that they prefer (which is why local elections are infinitely more important than national elections), but at some point the notion of "greater good" typically circumvents that opinion. Is it better to get internet access to 800 people that want it while upsetting 200 people who don't or is it better to do the inverse?

Touchy subject for sure. The keystone pipeline was allegedly canceled for this very reason. It would certainly be nice to have access to that oil now.
 
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