Ron Polk coming back?

Todd4State

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I know some people would be very much against this- like Pat, and I respect those opinions.

But I think if Polk came back as a volunteer assistant coach, it could be a good thing for MSU baseball. We still have a lot of Polk croonies around, and I think it would help Cohen's support if he had Polk's full endorsement. He is a college baseball HOF coach, and a legend. Having him associated with our program is a plus for us. The one thing that Ron Polk was really known for was being a good teacher of defense. I think having him as a volunteer assistant will help us because he can work with the players some doing go-fer type things, and it will free up Cohen, Burroughs, and Mingione to work with players on other things. Ron Polk is a MSU Bulldog and I think he still sees himself that way, even when he was at Georgia, and now when he is at UAB.

I think most of the critics concerns stem from meddling with the program. I think that is a legit concern. But, Cohen is going to do his own thing and is very ambitous. He respects Ron Polk, but I don't think he will allow Polk to control him. Cohen has also been a head coach for about 10 seasons now when you include Northwestern State and Kentucky as well as MSU. He has had success, and I am sure that he knows what he wants to do and how to do it, and so forth, and has done it by himself for quite some time. Because of that, it lessens Cohen's need to "ask" Polk for advice. Cohen as a player was one of the more emotional players on the team, he would do things like cuss and other things that Polk didn't approve of. So, he is used to disobeying Polk. Not to mention he took the job after Polk told him not to.

Hiring Polk would not affect recruiting. I'm not sure that volunteer assistants can recruit off campus anyway. I think he could help run, if not run "the camp". That's something that he obviously has a passion for. Polk would also do very little in game coaching. He obviously has a very different personality from Cohen, but that contrast may be a good thing for the players at times. And yes, he could do infield and we could play Sweet Georgia Brown again, and I think that's all the Polk croonies really want anyway.

Now, that said for this to happen, I do think that there must be some ground rules, and they need to be very clearly defined, and Polk needs to understand that for him to be the volunteer assistant he must sign off and comply by these rules.

1. He can not mention anything about the NCAA while at MSU. This includes letters or interviews.

2. He can not say anything detrimental about the athletic administration at MSU to the media.

3. He may have input into a coaching search, but he is not allowed to recommend or have the final say in any coaching perssonel matters.

4. He can not demand to return as the head coach of MSU baseball at any time during his tenure.

5. He will not be allowed to coach third base for MSU.

6. He can give imput to the coaching staff, but John Cohen will make the final call on any and all decisions.

Aside from that, he would be allowed to attend any games he chooses, and he could make public speaking appearances at his own discretion, and could set his own hours. He also would be allowed to watch the games from his skybox or the dugout if he should so choose. He can make any road trips that he would like as well. I also would ask him to teach the coaching baseball class that PE majors take, if he wished to do that.

If he did not agree to those conditions above, I would not allow him back.
 

Todd4State

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I know some people would be very much against this- like Pat, and I respect those opinions.

But I think if Polk came back as a volunteer assistant coach, it could be a good thing for MSU baseball. We still have a lot of Polk croonies around, and I think it would help Cohen's support if he had Polk's full endorsement. He is a college baseball HOF coach, and a legend. Having him associated with our program is a plus for us. The one thing that Ron Polk was really known for was being a good teacher of defense. I think having him as a volunteer assistant will help us because he can work with the players some doing go-fer type things, and it will free up Cohen, Burroughs, and Mingione to work with players on other things. Ron Polk is a MSU Bulldog and I think he still sees himself that way, even when he was at Georgia, and now when he is at UAB.

I think most of the critics concerns stem from meddling with the program. I think that is a legit concern. But, Cohen is going to do his own thing and is very ambitous. He respects Ron Polk, but I don't think he will allow Polk to control him. Cohen has also been a head coach for about 10 seasons now when you include Northwestern State and Kentucky as well as MSU. He has had success, and I am sure that he knows what he wants to do and how to do it, and so forth, and has done it by himself for quite some time. Because of that, it lessens Cohen's need to "ask" Polk for advice. Cohen as a player was one of the more emotional players on the team, he would do things like cuss and other things that Polk didn't approve of. So, he is used to disobeying Polk. Not to mention he took the job after Polk told him not to.

Hiring Polk would not affect recruiting. I'm not sure that volunteer assistants can recruit off campus anyway. I think he could help run, if not run "the camp". That's something that he obviously has a passion for. Polk would also do very little in game coaching. He obviously has a very different personality from Cohen, but that contrast may be a good thing for the players at times. And yes, he could do infield and we could play Sweet Georgia Brown again, and I think that's all the Polk croonies really want anyway.

Now, that said for this to happen, I do think that there must be some ground rules, and they need to be very clearly defined, and Polk needs to understand that for him to be the volunteer assistant he must sign off and comply by these rules.

1. He can not mention anything about the NCAA while at MSU. This includes letters or interviews.

2. He can not say anything detrimental about the athletic administration at MSU to the media.

3. He may have input into a coaching search, but he is not allowed to recommend or have the final say in any coaching perssonel matters.

4. He can not demand to return as the head coach of MSU baseball at any time during his tenure.

5. He will not be allowed to coach third base for MSU.

6. He can give imput to the coaching staff, but John Cohen will make the final call on any and all decisions.

Aside from that, he would be allowed to attend any games he chooses, and he could make public speaking appearances at his own discretion, and could set his own hours. He also would be allowed to watch the games from his skybox or the dugout if he should so choose. He can make any road trips that he would like as well. I also would ask him to teach the coaching baseball class that PE majors take, if he wished to do that.

If he did not agree to those conditions above, I would not allow him back.
 

GhostOfJackie

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I think you forget how hardheaded Ron Polk really is. No way will he accept rules like this and NO WAY in hell would he not want more power. He would be coming back to the program that he considers his very own and I just don't think making the Blue Hairs happy outweighs the problems he could cause here. I see where you are coming from but it's just too risky.

The only thing that will fix the program he built and then destroyed will be brand new faces. We have that now and no need to mess that up.
 

Todd4State

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If he will not accept the rules, then he doesn't come back.

But you are correct about him being hard headed, and that's why if he is allowed to come back, it has to be with a lot of ground rules up front.

I don't know how he is at UAB either though. I don't know how much he interferes with their program. He may very well have some control in how they do things, and that would be something that I would not want.
 

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Anything more than that is asking for trouble. You can bet your *** Polk will want to take control aGAIN if he's allowed back onto the field. And you can further bet your *** he'd do everything within his power to ensure the return of Tommy "Hold My Lineup Card" Raffo. Plus, the man is completely incapable of refraining from bashing the NCAA.
 

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South Panola Dawg said:
Anything more than that is asking for trouble. You can bet your *** Polk will want to take control aGAIN if he's allowed back onto the field. And you can further bet your *** he'd do everything within his power to ensure the return of Tommy "Hold My Lineup Card" Raffo. Plus, the man is completely incapable of refraining from bashing the NCAA.


And this made me laugh. That was a pretty good one.

I do agree that he is incapable of bashing the NCAA, and I think that more than anything will be why he will not be allowed to come back.
 

GhostOfJackie

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I can just see this panning out in a few years and having a conversation on this board about how bad we screwed up. Nothing against Polk, but there is too much risk here. Why are we even talking about this? Is there some talk about bringing him back or something?
 

Todd4State

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GhostOfJackie said:
I can just see this panning out in a few years and having a conversation on this board about how bad we screwed up. Nothing against Polk, but there is too much risk here. Why are we even talking about this? Is there some talk about bringing him back or something?


But I wouldn't be surprised if he pushes for it with Byrne gone, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cohen lets him come back.

I do agree that there is a lot of risk with it, one way or the other. And there's enough risk that it may not be worth it. Besides, it's not like he doesn't get to hang out with the baseball team as it is.

I am mentioning it now becuase he was hanging out in the dugout today.
 

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but the way he exited the program, declaring himself the defacto Baseball AD and throwing the temper tantrums he did--which he should have had his *** spanked like a three year old-I think it best that he continue to watch the program from afar. If he wanted to do something useful, he should come back and be a fundraiser for the $ 20-30 million that it will take to put us back in the best facilities in college baseball. Outside of that, he needs to simply watch the program until Coach Cohen gets us turned around in a couple of years.
 

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But as long as any players that were coached or recruited by him are around I would worry about that.
The majority are Sr's this season but a few will remain next year.
 

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There is no way this would work out. I say this would only lead to an even bigger divide b/c eventually polk will try to over-step his "volunteer" boundaries. It would be only natural for a man who is completely responsible for our baseball program. This would eventually lead to Cohen having to officially-unofficially run him off. Then we will experience Tantrum-Gate part. Deaux

I have no idea, but Polk may be getting along just fine with the UAB coaches. For all I know he is doing anything from just watching practices/games to completely coaching the team. But at MSU, he would only naturally try to fall back into the head coaching duties. That, coupled with a possible disdain for an ******* coaching style by Cohen, could lead to a catastrophic meltdown by Polk.

I think he definitely needs to be involved in the program is some aspect though. Maybe even make up some position and duties for him. What about letting him be some kind of color-commentator for Jim Ellis? Definitely keep him involved in fund-raising fosho.
 
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and some punk came to me with a list of "rules" like this, I would tell him to kiss my whole ***. All of it.

Ron Polk has put too much time and energy into this university and that baseball program for some twit to come to him with a list of "rules" that suggest that Ron doesn't realize he's not the coach anymore. That suggests he's not intelligent enough to support the team without interfering.

That's an insult.

Kiss my *** and get the 17 out of my face with this stupid ****. That would be my response.
 

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to be done, otherwise that will be exactly what Ron tries to do (call the shots). Personally, I MIGHT let him help out with the camp if I were John, but that's about it.
 

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I'm still just flabbergasted by the number of otherwise reasonable people who continue to make excuses and rationalizations for Polk and dream up these fantastical ideas of how he should still be associated with MSU in any way. He is a cancer to our baseball program and has been for a long time. We'll never really recover until we get rid of the cancer.
 

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bringing Ron Polk back. When Polk does return to Starkville full time and IF he really wants to help the program let him do it outside the baseball field. John Cohen is saying the right thing about Polk but you gotta remember Polk dissed him and no way in hell do I think Cohen has forgotten that. Fund raiser, yes, baseball camps, yes, but please know uniform for a washed up "legend". He served his time and he wrote his history with Msu baseball, but please not again.
 

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As long as we keep the situation where Polk knows his place, we will be fine. Give Polk any kind of coaching duties and it will be a disaster.
 

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The only reason that Coach Polk is back in town is because the ninja is in Arizona looking for a new house!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Ron Polk should be able hang out anytime he wants in our dugout, but that is it, nothing more, nothing less.

This type of stuff is standard procedure. If you look at it in terms of football, think about this: When Bobby Bowden resigned/retired or whatever last year, you can bet your *** he will at some point be back walking around the sidelines at FSU probably in the near future. Now, unless he becomes AD, will he have sort of control? hell no. And I don't think he's smart enough to be FSU's AD anyway. But he would regulated to become a face from the past for their program in terms of fundraising, support, etc. I mean Bowden built FSU's football program just like Polk built MSU's baseball program. So, he is due his liberty to walk their sidelines.

Then, look at ole miss and think about Johhny Vaught. He still roams the sideline at ole miss. Now the man is probably 80 somehting years old by now, does he have any power? hell no. But, he probably does appease the 1960's crowd, fundraises and is a face from the past to represent an era of winning for them. And I am sure the blue haired posters on olemissspirt.com will think just by him being on their sidelines it makes ole miss better somehow in their minds.

Then, look at Joe Pa at Penn State. If/when he decides to retire/resign/whatever, do you think he will have any power after that? probably not, unless his *** becomes Athletic Director. Again, he actually might be smart enough to be an AD but his lack of experience will probably regulate him to being, again, a face for their program until he gets too old to walk or expires.

The only way Polk would or should have any power at MSU after leaving the baseball program at MSU is if he was smart enough to be AD (see example of Skip Bertman at LSU). But he is not and will never be, so case closed.

The guy is free to roam around Dudy Noble and hob nob with coaches, the blue haired boosters, and the sheep from Swan Lake who will probably build a golden calf in his honor - sarcasm - but anything beyond standard procedure of a say Bowden, Vaught, future Paterno, (insert any program builder coach name here) will never and should never happen. Cohen is too smart for that anyway, but he does know allowing Polk to show his mug on campus will be a plus in terms of fundraising, marketing, a plus with older high school coaches, with camps, etc.

Damn, my post was too long...sorry.
 

patdog

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DamnitDog said:
Then, look at ole miss and think about Johhny Vaught. He still roams the sideline at ole miss.
Considering he's been dead for 4 years.
 
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Dead traditions.

Dead past.

Dead mascot.

Seems to fit umiss perfectly.
 

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Have Polk and Jackie put as chief fundraisers for improvements to both DWS and Dudy Noble. Give them offices in the Bryan Building and contribute to what they started.
 

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I was, and swear to you Ron Polk was on the right field bleachers alone by himself watching the game during the last couple of innings.. foul ball was hit to his side the person in question made a couple of funny expressions like he wasn't suppose to catch the ball, perhaps hinting that it was him. Wondering if anyone else was there and saw him or the Ron Polk stand in double lol. A lot of debate about it during the game for sure, as he left after a certain inning (Polkish like)... whatever the case, thought it was sad to see the picture I saw even if it wasn't him(I think it was him) on that cold day lol, but in the end, did it to himself never the less..
 

GhostOfJackie

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jeremyrbrown said:
then it is, by default, a bad idea.
Well put.... Polk would never sit down and listen to rules like this. It's only natural that men get more and more hardheaded as we get older. Try giving your father or grandfather a list of "rules" to live by and tell me how that goes.
 

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...Ron Polk acted like an unhinged idiot when he was told his tenure was over.


He embarrassed himself, the MSU baseball program, the SEC & most of all Miss. State University.


Talk about a cancer in the locker room & dugout...just let Polk return in a coaching/assistant capacity.


If Ron Polk wants to chat up the good things MSU has to offer completely independent of MSU, then that's Polk's choice.

But you can't expose Cohen's players & program to this nut. It would end very badly for everybody involved.
 

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I always saw Ron as a loose cannon (with the NCAA and also doing exactly what he wanted in other areas) The thing was, most people liked what he did, so it was not much of a problem, until the last few years. If he got in a disagreement with Cohen, would Ron not just go ahead and do it his way and beg forgiveness later, or tell Cohen "I'm Ron POlk and you aren't"?

Over the years I have always refused to let someone come back who had left my departments, except for one time andI painfully paid for that foolish decision when the guy made the same mistakes again and again (I guess assuming since I brought him back, it was OK). Mostpeople here know I liked Ron, except for his last few years and I got plenty tired of his mouth, especially that last year.

I could be wrong, but I see some people (who can actually read a letter) at the SEC and NCAA offices who would have cause to hate Ron and hold it against us if we brought him back.

Maybe we could make him the team mommy.

edited to correct foolish spelling errors
 

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but I'm not sure what value he adds.

He has never been much of a coach for pitching as he thinks you can hit through any deficit.
He wont bunt a run around for the same reason.
He has no lasting respect as he diminished that in the way he left.

He certainly built the program to respectability, but that was long before any of these kids got here. I'm just at a loss as to what he would add but an undue influence on Cohen that he doesnt need.

Cohen is now saddled with the unenivable job of pulling scholarships when the situation calls for it and Polk never could stomach that. I understand why, but with Polk helping Cohen make decisions, that would only make it harder.

I just dont know what Ron would really do but hurt us.
 

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The only thing that I would even remotely be in favor of would be for him to be involved in a fundraising campaign for DNF renovations. I guess it would be ok for him to help raise some money to improve the facility with his name on it. But nothing more than that. He burned too many bridges to be able to cross back over right now.
 
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I MIGHT could live with him being some sort of a fundraiser. But that's about it.

Until he apologizes though, I don't give a damn if he ever steps foot in Dudy Noble ever again (other than as an opposing coach).
 

Todd4State

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It seems like the consensus is fundraiser- maybe/yes. Coach- no.

I think fundraiser is a good compromise.