If we don't win 2 this weekend<div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div><div>
</div><div>LSU got left out last year with a better overall resume</div>
</div><div>LSU got left out last year with a better overall resume</div>
RPI is down to 47, I think we might get left out
- Thread starter bill brasky.sixpack
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If we don't win 2 this weekend<div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div><div>
</div><div>LSU got left out last year with a better overall resume</div>
</div><div>LSU got left out last year with a better overall resume</div>
I thought the SEC would have a great year, and though its not a bad year, and I fully expect someone from the SEC to win the national title, overall I think its a down year.
I think there are only four teams (LSU, UK, SC, FL) worthy of hosting, and after that its basically a bunch of 2-3 seeds that didn't really play well or have fatal flaws.
They are calling this the weakest MLB draft in 20 years, so it makes sense that the overall talent in the SEC is down.
I think there are only four teams (LSU, UK, SC, FL) worthy of hosting, and after that its basically a bunch of 2-3 seeds that didn't really play well or have fatal flaws.
They are calling this the weakest MLB draft in 20 years, so it makes sense that the overall talent in the SEC is down.
Or we could leave it up to the committee who has shown they do some strange things<div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div>
gotten left out. Their RPI was in the 20's. I am pointing out that we have given the committee the option to leave us out with a bad weekend.<div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div>
Warren Nolan has us down to 43 or about a 7-spot drop.
We're going to finish in the mid-high 30s... and probably end up as a low 2 playing a national seed in the first round. I hope I'm wrong about that.
I'd rather be a low 3 seed playing a high 2 and then a low 1(like we were last year)...
That said, we win 1 against UK, and it's a done deal that we're in, regardless of final RPI. No 14-win SEC team has been left out of regionals in a long time... the last I can confirm being left out is us in 2002...
We're going to finish in the mid-high 30s... and probably end up as a low 2 playing a national seed in the first round. I hope I'm wrong about that.
I'd rather be a low 3 seed playing a high 2 and then a low 1(like we were last year)...
That said, we win 1 against UK, and it's a done deal that we're in, regardless of final RPI. No 14-win SEC team has been left out of regionals in a long time... the last I can confirm being left out is us in 2002...
I know we can't afford a sweep. I do think if we get one we will get in, but I wouldn't be shocked if we were left out with only 1 more win in the last 5 games. <div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div>
bill brasky said:
LSU got left out because they finished 9th and only had 13 wins. SEC teams with 14 wins dont left out- even if they finish 9th- Ron Polk Part Deaux is the prime example of that. We got in twice finishing 9th- both times we had 14 conf wins
Win one this weekend and we are in
I'll type slower for you. LSU had a better resume than we did last year and got left out. Even if we win 1 this weekend I think there is a chance that we get left out, I doubt it happens, but there is most definitely a chance.<div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div>
Coach34 said:
Yep, which gives us hope for getting rid of the most annoying, narcissistic, redundant poster in board history.
Coach34 said:
Only ~ 24 hours before Stans announced you were posting that 'influential alumni' had gotten to Strick and Stans was going to be around for another year.
AS LONG AS A BETTOR BETS ON EVERY HORSE, THEY CAN NEVER "LOSE."
Coach34 correlary ...
The RPI drop looks like a bigger deal than it really is, just because so many teams are so close together. We'll pick up some RPI points just from playing Kentucky 3 times. Brasky's right that we can't afford a sweep, but I doubt we get swept. I think we need 2 more wins counting the SEC tournament and I think we'll get it.
Their RPI was a LOT lower than what Boyd had them at. They swept Cal-State Fullerton at home and I think Boyd put way too much emphasis on that one series for whatever reason.
Also- as coach said, the committee last year also placed a lot of emphasis on the fact that LSU missed the SEC Tournament and also the fact that they played most of their non-conference games at home, which hurt them.
I know Boyd has a reputation for usually normally being right- but that was one the biggest misses, if not the biggest miss he has ever had.
Also- as coach said, the committee last year also placed a lot of emphasis on the fact that LSU missed the SEC Tournament and also the fact that they played most of their non-conference games at home, which hurt them.
I know Boyd has a reputation for usually normally being right- but that was one the biggest misses, if not the biggest miss he has ever had.
Peaches, your comebacks aren't funny, biting, intelligent, or at all worthwhile. Nobody thinks you're funny, you've established it over and over.
Boyd's ISR and both Boyd's and Nolan's RPI all had LSU ranked about 21st - 23rd. LSU got left out because they didn't make the conference tournament and the NCAA didn't want to take 9 SEC teams. That's why we now have a 10-team SEC tournament.
And again, exactly how did Boyd "miss" on LSU last year? He's not picking who will and won't make the tournament. He's ranking teams from best to worst, using both the RPI formula and his own formula. He had them ranked about where everyone else did. And the truth is, if they had been selected for the tournament they probably would have finished at least 2nd in their regional. The selection committe is who missed on LSU last year if anyone did.
And again, exactly how did Boyd "miss" on LSU last year? He's not picking who will and won't make the tournament. He's ranking teams from best to worst, using both the RPI formula and his own formula. He had them ranked about where everyone else did. And the truth is, if they had been selected for the tournament they probably would have finished at least 2nd in their regional. The selection committe is who missed on LSU last year if anyone did.
Coach you are an old man. Also, you know nothing about me because I haven't splayed my life all over a message board to people who don't care.
and get their rocks off on a message board. <div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"></div><div>
</div><div>It is just pathetic. </div>
</div><div>It is just pathetic. </div>
and they don't get picked how is it not a miss?
You can say what you want to about the guy and his system, but the whole point of these projection sites is to tell you who is best and therefore who will ultimately make the postseason. He just doesn't put them in brackets- which is his business. Does he not have a section on his website that tells how many wins someone has to have to get into the top 45, 32, etc? Why does he do that if he's not trying to pick who will make the tournament?
And the fact of the matter is, it's all something that is done for fun and for discussion, but it's not gospel. I think he has a good idea of where people are most of the time, but there is certainly some margin for error there.
You can say what you want to about the guy and his system, but the whole point of these projection sites is to tell you who is best and therefore who will ultimately make the postseason. He just doesn't put them in brackets- which is his business. Does he not have a section on his website that tells how many wins someone has to have to get into the top 45, 32, etc? Why does he do that if he's not trying to pick who will make the tournament?
And the fact of the matter is, it's all something that is done for fun and for discussion, but it's not gospel. I think he has a good idea of where people are most of the time, but there is certainly some margin for error there.
why do so many of these sites have a seperate poll and bracketology? And again, what makes you think the Boyd missed on how good LSU was last year and the selection committee got it right? Especially since just about everyone else agreed with Boyd except the selection committee. Coach34 is right on this one. LSU didn't get left out last year because they weren't good enough. They got left out because of their conference record.
the only function of a poll is to rate the top 25 teams in the country. That's why they have a separate section on bracketology.
Why do I think Boyd missed it? 1. Because he clearly did. 2. Because of the selection committee saying that LSU's RPI was a lot lower than what it was projected as. 3. Because Boyd doesn't know- nor does Warren Nolan what the committee's exact RPI formula is. That's by his own admission. Because of that, he's going to be off every once in awhile. He may get close, but when things like that happen, I guarantee you that he will tweak his formula.
I do agree that Coach is right about SEC teams with 14 wins getting in. And that's exactly why you shouldn't pay all that much attention to Boyd. The committee historically has shown that if you are a SEC team, and you have a winning record, and you win 14 conference games, they're going to put you in. I think the committee bases things a lot more on how you do in conference than these RPI websites think. At least as far as SEC teams go. RPI websites pat your back if you sweep UNC-Wilmington on a weekend in March. The selection committee- not so much.
LSU didn't get 14- hence they weren't good enough in the eyes of the committee and they got left out.
Why do I think Boyd missed it? 1. Because he clearly did. 2. Because of the selection committee saying that LSU's RPI was a lot lower than what it was projected as. 3. Because Boyd doesn't know- nor does Warren Nolan what the committee's exact RPI formula is. That's by his own admission. Because of that, he's going to be off every once in awhile. He may get close, but when things like that happen, I guarantee you that he will tweak his formula.
I do agree that Coach is right about SEC teams with 14 wins getting in. And that's exactly why you shouldn't pay all that much attention to Boyd. The committee historically has shown that if you are a SEC team, and you have a winning record, and you win 14 conference games, they're going to put you in. I think the committee bases things a lot more on how you do in conference than these RPI websites think. At least as far as SEC teams go. RPI websites pat your back if you sweep UNC-Wilmington on a weekend in March. The selection committee- not so much.
LSU didn't get 14- hence they weren't good enough in the eyes of the committee and they got left out.
Boyd didn't miss on LSU's RPI, at least not unless every other website that publishes an RPI also missed it. And not only missed it, but missed it badly. It's very obvious that the NCAA completely ignored LSU's RPI when they didn't select them, and they did it because they didn't want too many SEC teams in the tournament. In other words, because of their SEC record. It doesn't mean LSU wasn't really one of the top 25 teams in the country. They probably were and probably would have made a regional final if they'd gotten an invitation.
As for 14 SEC wins guaranteeing a bid, according to the SEC (as reported by Marcello) since the SEC went to 30 games in 1996, there have been 12 SEC teams with 14 or 15 conference wins that did not get a bid. I think 14 wins probably gets us a bid, but we'd still need1 more in the SEC tournament to guarantee it. I will say that if a 14-win SEC team does get left out, it will be one with a lot of bad non-conference losses and very few quality wins. In other words, a lot like this year's MSU team.
As for 14 SEC wins guaranteeing a bid, according to the SEC (as reported by Marcello) since the SEC went to 30 games in 1996, there have been 12 SEC teams with 14 or 15 conference wins that did not get a bid. I think 14 wins probably gets us a bid, but we'd still need1 more in the SEC tournament to guarantee it. I will say that if a 14-win SEC team does get left out, it will be one with a lot of bad non-conference losses and very few quality wins. In other words, a lot like this year's MSU team.