RU application

[Anon1753438667]

It’s designed that way. Those schools need to “buy” talent. If RU wasn’t a good option, those school wouldn’t have to offer incentives.

But that’s why there are tons of NJ kids at other schools (out of state) but not a lot of out of state kids at Rutgers. They don’t keep kids and don’t attract the out of state kids.

Plus the out of state tuition is so high kids stay home/in-state instead.

 

[Jtung230]

But that’s why there are tons of NJ kids at other schools (out of state) but not a lot of out of state kids at Rutgers. They don’t keep kids and don’t attract the out of state kids.

Plus the out of state tuition is so high kids stay home/in-state instead.

Rutgers has no issues filling its class. Last year was 10,630 kids. That’s up from 9,900 from the previous year.

 

[S_Janowski]

Often the difference between in-state and out of state tuition.

This. Or they offer less than the difference.

I always get a good laugh when people get money for a 50K - 70K / year school that’s inferior to Rutgers, get bent out of shape that Rutgers offered nothing and then choose the inferior school because they “got a lot of money”.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

As a parent of two sons both currently in the honors college and the school of engineering …the profile of the school is going up.

The 1380 median SAT is real ….and the big difference is a lot of more of the students at Rutgers want to be at Rutgers and not the fall back option then when I was there….sure the RU screw still exists , but a lot more people walk around happy to be in that noisy college town then counting the days until they never have to come back to New Brunswick or piscataway

anyone who has questions ….feel free to message me . I’ll be glad to give our perspective (a lot more positive but I’ll be real , no over bias )……

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Have friend who’s kid (Ohio based) was valedictorian, nationally ranked athlete (dance), national honors society, lot of local accolades etc. got into RU = 0 scholarship or other merit aide…went to UC for free.

Rutgers sucks that way. Told my kids not to apply cause they were too cheap and it’s not worth it. Better off at home.

I am really curious about your friends kid case ….if you would like to discuss , please message me off line

 

[Retired711]

But that’s why there are tons of NJ kids at other schools (out of state) but not a lot of out of state kids at Rutgers. They don’t keep kids and don’t attract the out of state kids.

Plus the out of state tuition is so high kids stay home/in-state instead.

Rutgers' out of state tuition is less than U. Delaware, Penn State's or U. Maryland's, just to take some local examples.

There are so many NJ kids out of state because NJ parents regard sending their kids out of state as prestigious even when it costs much more than going to Rutgers. On my block, parents put up signs celebrating that their kid is going to go to, say, Ohio State, when that school is not particularly better than RU. I doubt the parents are saving money by sending their kids out of state. Rather, it's a luxury item like buying an expensive car.

 

[Retired711]

Rutgers' out of state tuition is less than U. Delaware, Penn State's or U. Maryland's, just to take some local examples.

There are so many NJ kids out of state because NJ parents regard sending their kids out of state as prestigious even when it costs much more than going to Rutgers. On my block, parents put up signs celebrating that their kid is going to go to, say, Ohio State, when that school is not particularly better than RU. I doubt the parents are saving money by sending their kids out of state. Rather, it's a luxury item like buying an expensive car.

I do think there can be legitimate reasons to send out-of-state a kid who can get into Rutgers. Some kids can get into Ivies or near-Ivies. Some kids need a smaller school. Some kids are more comfortable at a school with a religious affiliation. Some kids want to re-locate permanently, say, to the south or southwest. But it's difficult for me to see many situations in which it makes sense to send a kid to an out-of-state school that is Rutgers' size and no better.

 

[RU206]

A few things to keep in mind.
If your student has a grandparent living in FLA, you will get in state tuition. If they can get into U of Florida that tuition is $6K instead of out of state $30K.

A co worker of mine son attends U of South Carolina. They offer in state tuition if your student scores over a 1310 on the SAT.

RU has no issue filling its class with high quality students.

 

[RU206]

I do think there can be legitimate reasons to send out-of-state a kid who can get into Rutgers. Some kids can get into Ivies or near-Ivies. Some kids need a smaller school. Some kids are more comfortable at a school with a religious affiliation. Some kids want to re-locate permanently, say, to the south or southwest. But it's difficult for me to see many situations in which it makes sense to send a kid to an out-of-state school that is Rutgers' size and no better.

If a kid wants to relocate it is a good option to select a school in the state they want to live in. Those schools will have ties to internships that can help kick off their career.
What doesn’t make sense is to select a school out of state, that is more expensive without ties to internships and companies in NJ only to move back to NJ. But obviously not every 18 year knows exactly where they want to live for the rest of their life.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Rutgers has no issues filling its class. Last year was 10,630 kids. That’s up from 9,900 from the previous year.

you missed his point entirely

 

[Knight Shift]

I do think there can be legitimate reasons to send out-of-state a kid who can get into Rutgers. Some kids can get into Ivies or near-Ivies. Some kids need a smaller school. Some kids are more comfortable at a school with a religious affiliation. Some kids want to re-locate permanently, say, to the south or southwest. But it's difficult for me to see many situations in which it makes sense to send a kid to an out-of-state school that is Rutgers' size and no better.

For our second kid, got the same deal our older kid got. Admission to the Honors College and a Presidential scholarship--Rutgers would have been very inexpensive- probably about $40-50K total. But the program kid 2 was admitted to was to the College of Pharmacy. Also, RU did not have the program features for the chosen major. Chose a very small, not very prestigious private college that has an excellent program for the major and guaranteed admission to the Master's professional phase. Kid has absolutely thrived in the smaller environment and we are thrilled with the school in many ways that Rutgers does not thrill us. Not a knock on Rutgers- just that every kid is different, and it is a personal choice of each kid and what their parents can afford and/or are willing to spend for education. No need for the Rutgers lovers to sneer or criticize decisions of other parents/kids.

 

[Shelby65]

congrats to all, I hear Rutgers is an outstanding school those that talked yield rate are right, we need to get that up!

OSU is huge! my son's friend goes there and wants to transfer as it's just too big for him.

Yield rate going up means acceptance rate goes down. Good for the school, but is it good for more families ?

 

[RUTGERS95]

Yield rate going up means acceptance rate goes down. Good for the school, but is it good for more families ?

absolutely it is
kids can go to Camden or Newark or other schools. Not everyone deserves a seat at the big table

 

[Shelby65]

absolutely it is
kids can go to Camden or Newark or other schools. Not everyone deserves a seat at the big table

Sure there are other options, public and private. But there’s a tipping point where selectivity undermines public good. Especially in a state without another big public u to go to instead. Arizona-ASU, Indiana-Purdue, Colorado, Penn, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, etc all have second or third Carnegie R1 university alternate options and most of the ones that don’t have small populations.

RU Camden, RU Newark, Montclair etc don’t offer academically what the above alternatives in other states offer. So here, it is questionable if increased selectivity is in the best interest of New Jersey kids overall.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Sure there are other options, public and private. But there’s a tipping point where selectivity undermines public good. Especially in a state without another big public u to go to instead. Arizona-ASU, Indiana-Purdue, Colorado, Penn, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, etc all have second or third Carnegie R1 university alternate options and most of the ones that don’t have small populations.

we are nowhere near any tipping at Rutgers in fact, the school needs to be more selective.

Rutgers needs more out of state students, needs to offer free tuition and guaranteed acceptance to anyone in top 5% of all in state applicants as well as early start programs for financing. Rutgers needs to do a lot of things but one thing they don't need to do is worry about kids that can't get accepted to New Brunswick, the state and student hav other options

 

[Jtung230]

we are nowhere near any tipping at Rutgers in fact, the school needs to be more selective.

Rutgers needs more out of state students, needs to offer free tuition and guaranteed acceptance to anyone in top 5% of all in state applicants as well as early start programs for financing. Rutgers needs to do a lot of things but one thing they don't need to do is worry about kids that can't get accepted to New Brunswick, the state and student hav other options

Can’t afford to offer top 5% in NJ free tuition. There are a lot of kids in NJ. They offer top 500 for honors college.

 

[RU206]

Can’t afford to offer top 5% in NJ free tuition. There are a lot of kids in NJ. They offer top 500 for honors college.

Unless the state doubles its support for RU. Instead of $1B raise it to $2B. And if the state does that, half of the posters here would complain about tax payer money.

 

[Fat Koko]

Rutgers has no issues filling its class. Last year was 10,630 kids. That’s up from 9,900 from the previous year.

Rutgers New Brunswick doesn't have trouble filling its class. Rutgers Newark and especially Rutgers Camden face major enrollment challenges.



Source: https://oirap.rutgers.edu/StudentEnrollment.html

 

[RU206]

Rutgers New Brunswick doesn't have trouble filling its class. Rutgers Newark and especially Rutgers Camden face major enrollment challenges.

View attachment 1163321

Source: https://oirap.rutgers.edu/StudentEnrollment.html

Why do you think that is? And what can be done to improve it?

 

[Fat Koko]

Enrollment facts for closest B1G peer.

New Jersey undergrads at University of Maryland, College Park - 1,579
Maryland undergrads at Rutgers University, New Brunswick - 148

University of Maryland, College Park undergrad enrollment - 31,875; 23,637 or 74% in-state
Rutgers University, New Brunswick undergraduate enroll - 5,742 29,882 or 84% in-state

New Jersey is exporting too many college students and importing too few.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Rutgers' out of state tuition is less than U. Delaware, Penn State's or U. Maryland's, just to take some local examples.

There are so many NJ kids out of state because NJ parents regard sending their kids out of state as prestigious even when it costs much more than going to Rutgers. On my block, parents put up signs celebrating that their kid is going to go to, say, Ohio State, when that school is not particularly better than RU. I doubt the parents are saving money by sending their kids out of state. Rather, it's a luxury item like buying an expensive car.

As long as the kids are happy, and do well, that matters most. My well to do friend offered to lease his daughters Mercedes Benz sedans if they chose Rutgers, because he would come out ahead financially. They chose to go out of state, to Illinois and Penn State. Did very well, and got terrific jobs out of college. One lives in Jersey City, one lives in Philly.

 

[RU206]

Enrollment facts for closest B1G peer.

New Jersey undergrads at University of Maryland, College Park - 1,579
Maryland undergrads at Rutgers University, New Brunswick - 148

University of Maryland, College Park undergrad enrollment - 31,875; 23,637 or 74% in-state
Rutgers University, New Brunswick undergraduate enroll - 5,742 29,882 or 84% in-state

New Jersey is exporting too many college students and importing too few.

If RU accepts more in state students they will need to decrease out of state acceptance.
If RU accepts more out of state students they will need to accept fewer instate students.
NJ will always export students. Thats not a bad thing.

 

[Knight Shift]

Unless the state doubles its support for RU. Instead of $1B raise it to $2B. And if the state does that, half of the posters here would complain about tax payer money.

No matter what happens, New Jersey people will always complain.

 

[Retired711]

As long as the kids are happy, and do well, that matters most. My well to do friend offered to lease his daughters Mercedes Benz sedans if they chose Rutgers, because he would come out ahead financially. They chose to go out of state, to Illinois and Penn State. Did very well, and got terrific jobs out of college. One lives in Jersey City, one lives in Philly.

My father said he would buy me a car if I chose to go to the local state university. But he was half-hearted about it. The school in question, although now excellent, was pretty uneven in those days.

 

[Fat Koko]

Why do you think that is? And what can be done to improve it?

The number of 18 year olds in the United States is shrinking. Flagship state schools, such as Rutgers New Brunswick, are winning market share at the expense of regional schools.

The only way to stabilize the demographic situation is mass immigration of young families, another baby boom, or both.

The United States has too many colleges. Some states, like Pennsylvania, have admitted this, and are whacking regional campuses.

I don't expect New Jersey leaders to close campuses. Instead, failing schools will be merged into other state schools, as is happening now with Kean absorbing New Jersey City University.

 

[Retired711]

Why do you think that is? And what can be done to improve it?

I can't speak to Newark. I can tell you that Rutgers' central administration regards the Camden campus mostly as a way to show its "concern" about urban issues. The place is a 75-minute drive from New Brunswick and so New Brunswick doesn't feel invested in the place. Efforts by Camden chancellors to get the central administration to invest haven't borne much fruit.

The result is that Rowan has really become at least the equal of Rutgers-Camden. Rowan's enrollment is four times the size of Rutgers-Camden, yet the admission statistics for the entering class, if anything, are better at Rowan. Rowan offers four-year engineering , which Camden doesn't. and many more teacher education programs than Rutgers-Camden. And, while the Rutgers-Camden campus and the streets around it are safe -- the Rutgers-Camden police and other police forces vigorously patrol the area, which is isolated from the bad Camden neighborhoods -- Glassboro sounds more reassuring to many parents and students. The biggest difference between Rowan and Rutgers-Camden is that Rowan has an administration that is willing to invest aggressively in the institution.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

absolutely it is
kids can go to Camden or Newark or other schools. Not everyone deserves a seat at the big table

This is very much lost on most of our generation and above ….

Rutgers Camden and Rutgers Newark are also on the rise

To get Rutgers NB where we want it ….(in the UVA, Mich, UCLA level )….we have to continue elevate Newark and Camden so its degree has a higher value ….which in turn , will make New Brunswick able to be more selective and push up the quality of student

no diffenet than the other major state university systems we are trying to catch

 

[Retired711]

Sure there are other options, public and private. But there’s a tipping point where selectivity undermines public good. Especially in a state without another big public u to go to instead. Arizona-ASU, Indiana-Purdue, Colorado, Penn, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, etc all have second or third Carnegie R1 university alternate options and most of the ones that don’t have small populations.

RU Camden, RU Newark, Montclair etc don’t offer academically what the above alternatives in other states offer. So here, it is questionable if increased selectivity is in the best interest of New Jersey kids overall.

And that is precisely why Rutgers needs to stop treating RU Camden and RU Newark as stepchildren (at best).

 

[RUTGERS95]

This is very much lost on most of our generation and above ….

Rutgers Camden and Rutgers Newark are also on the rise

To get Rutgers NB where we want it ….(in the UVA, Mich, UCLA level )….we have to continue elevate Newark and Camden so its degree has a higher value ….which in turn , will make New Brunswick able to be more selective and push up the quality of student

no diffenet than the other major state university systems we are trying to catch

we need to follow the UNC and PA model imho

 

[mdk02]

Why do you think that is? And what can be done to improve it?

Why? Flagship school with good reputation vs. 2 schools that have no reputation with potential out of state applicants

 

[Retired711]

Why? Flagship school with good reputation vs. 2 schools that have no reputation with potential out of state applicants

I wouldn't worry about Camden and Newark attracting out of state students -- although I've been told that Camden (which is adjacent to the Ben Franklin Bridge and the first high-speed line stop on the Jersey side) actually does have some Pennsy students. The real key is for Newark and Camden to become significant campuses so that New Brunswick can have the best NJ and out-of-state students while still having space at Rutgers for other NJ students. This is what the University of California did starting in the 1960s, and it is what Rutgers can do if it has the will and the money.

 

[Jtung230]

Unless the state doubles its support for RU. Instead of $1B raise it to $2B. And if the state does that, half of the posters here would complain about tax payer money.

In my town, people go crazy if you tried to raise property taxes for school stuff. I’m talking about less than $100 per year.

 

[Jtung230]

Rutgers face two hurdles. NJ is a wealthy state and most people saved for college the in-state tuition isn’t as attractive. The second issue is NJ is a very small state. Not really going away to college if you live within 60 miles of the school.

ETA. They also need to downplay the buses. The school tours should be based on which school you want to go to. The get on the bus to see Bush, Livingston, NB and Cook is a big turnoff.

 

[mynameisdick]

Rutgers face two hurdles. NJ is a wealthy state and most people saved for college the in-state tuition isn’t as attractive. The second issue is NJ is a very small state. Not really going away to college if you live within 60 miles of the school.

ETA. They also need to downplay the buses. The school tours should be based on which school you want to go to. The get on the bus to see Bush, Livingston, NB and Cook is a big turnoff.

100% The business school killed their presentation so I had a chance of getting my daughter there. Main tour was totally botched. Lots of buses and of all the places they could have picked to demo housing, they showed them a dorm on Busch! Now it’s UVA or PSU.

 

[Jtung230]

100% The business school killed their presentation so I had a chance of getting my daughter there. Main tour was totally botched. Lots of buses and of all the places they could have picked to demo housing, they showed them a dorm on Busch! Now it’s UVA or PSU.

UVA or PSU? For real Clark?

 

[SF88]

100% The business school killed their presentation so I had a chance of getting my daughter there. Main tour was totally botched. Lots of buses and of all the places they could have picked to demo housing, they showed them a dorm on Busch! Now it’s UVA or PSU.

My son never spoke of anything other than lacrosse and girls, until the RBS presentation, which was excellent. It became his first choice. He never got off the waitlist, so transferred from SAS to RBS after his freshman year. The BAMM dorm room tour in Allen was rough. Dark and dank smelling was a total turn off. IMO the single campus of PSU-UVA-UMD is the better option, but RU is what RU is. 2 for 2 and both my kids had a great experience at RU !

 

[Jtung230]

My son never spoke of anything other than lacrosse and girls, until the RBS presentation, which was excellent. It became his first choice. He never got off the waitlist, so transferred from SAS to RBS after his freshman year. The BAMM dorm room tour in Allen was rough. Dark and dank smelling was a total turn off. IMO the single campus of PSU-UVA-UMD is the better option, but RU is what RU is. 2 for 2 and both my kids had a great experience at RU !

Thought the BAMM dorm was redeveloped. The only original one left was Metzger

 

[Knight Shift]

Thought the BAMM dorm was redeveloped. The only original one left was Metzger

Allen Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Barr Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Mattia Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Metzger Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

 

[Jtung230]

Allen Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Barr Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Mattia Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

Metzger Hall | Residence Life - Division of Student Affairs | Rutgers University-New Brunswick

ruoncampus.rutgers.edu

I guess I thought they were replaced by B.E.S.T. Why don’t they tour kids through that place instead?

 

[Knight Shift]

I guess I thought they were replaced by B.E.S.T. Why don’t they tour kids through that place instead?

IDK. Maybe they renovated them and freshened them up. Looks like Davidson A, B, C and D are gone. Davidson was awesome freshman year.