At least this is a start.
Rule change to curb fake injuries ?
- Thread starter Harvard Gamecock
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Need to address late substitutions as well. Offense needs a minimum of 10 seconds to assess the defense and snap the ball after defensive subs.
Defense gets the last substitution, I don’t see that being changed. Some of our issue was caused by Beamer. So in your rule what happens when the offense subs with 13 seconds? They have 3 seconds to react.
from the article: "if a player is injured during a game, he’ll have to be sidelined for the remainder of the drive."
Looks like my letter to Saban worked. That was my recommendation.
Looks like my letter to Saban worked. That was my recommendation.
I'm good with the proposed rule. It will have a blessed side effect: more people on the sideline will have to be actually game-ready.
I know Beamer should have gone with no subs. But you can't have the defense intentionally slow walking their last subs to drain the play clock.
Either a penalty against the defense or a clock adjustment is the only solution, or it will become a repeat of the fake injury copycat throughout CFB.
I agree with the fake injuries, but I will never agree with the defense substitution. Most on here are just pissed about what happened in that game. It’s funny you don’t see it every week. It’s also funny that Beamer’s mass substitutions had been a topic for other coaches for weeks. Can’t be mad at another coach for finding a weakness and exploiting it. The time put Beamer had to call on the goal line was 100% on him. Not only did he sub, he subbed twice. In two different groups. The defense just simply responded, and it cost Beamer. I seriously don’t see the problem. You take that chance with the clock every time you sub, period.
How is slow walking subs to take advantage of the clock any different than the fake injury as both are a coach initiated/condoned bending of the rules?
Answer- the late defensive substitution issue can be fixed with a penalty already in the books if the official wants to be in control of the game.
What about something like the offense gets the frist 10 seconds to get subs in and out, the defense gets next 10 seconds to get subs in and out, and then the remainderst of the time can be used to run the play. If either does not complete their subs within that time it is a delay of game.
So in that case, you are trying to enforce three "clocks" instead of one. I don't know about that.
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It would kill hurry up offenses. And situational quick snaps.
For the substitution, you HAVE to let the defense react. Either put a hard time on defensive subs, or learn as an offensive coach not to sub after "x" seconds on the play clock.
Beamer got outcoached, that is the bottom line. Bielema used Beamer's substitutions against him and Beamer didn't or couldn't adjust. Bielema was inside Beamer's head the whole game. With his hysterics on the sideline and being played like a fiddle on the substitutions Beamer really looked like a fool overall in the bowl game.
Players can't leisurely stroll off of the field during substitutions but they don't have to sprint off of the field.
Answer, don’t give them a chance to sub on the dang 3ish yard line. It’s not that hard.
We have established that if you don't sub the defense can't sub as the main solution. However, when you do want to sub the defense has to respond promptly according to the rules. This went on the entire game and not just that one play. Throw the flag on the defense just as you would on the offense and the officials have it under control. Their hands are not tied as they are with the fake injury issue.
To be fair, the refs followed the rules. This is a you/USC fan problem. It’s not even been talked about as a problem on the national stage. Why? Because it was a Beamer problem and not a defense problem. He failed to adjust, as others have stated. No need to change the rule so we can get rid of what we see as a disadvantage, but the rest of the country doesn’t. You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill because it resulted in a loss at our own hands.
Because it was end of season, we haven't seen the full development of this ploy by coaches yet as it was very disruptive and effective just like the fake injury strategy. But as discussed in another thread, there is competition among coaches for the next ''Genius Coach Award'' for the newest novel play/strategy bending the rules, so we'll see what develops. Personally, I would rather see the game play as it was intended.
I've seen this ploy done a bunch over the years. The offenses usually adapt real fast.
I vote we put it on the idea that we had a new OC, and that he'll learn to do what every other OC does real quick.
On sub time: if you can't snap the ball, the clock should not be running. PERIOD.
The exiting players should have to take the most direct path to the sideline. In this game there were times the player was trotting at a 45 degree angle thus taking more time.
That would work and incentive for approval by the powers that matter. ESPN could sell 10-15 second ad spots.
