Rumor Could be Germans I'm hearing Phil Turner is not coming back either
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Beckham
Bryant
S Smith*
Kodi
Sidney
Bench:
Benock
Lewis
Bailey*
The Freshmens from Tennessee
* If he can walk.
That's team would not win 6 SEC games.
Bryant
S Smith*
Kodi
Sidney
Bench:
Benock
Lewis
Bailey*
The Freshmens from Tennessee
* If he can walk.
That's team would not win 6 SEC games.
Like someone else said, it seems like Phil's name comes up every off-season as a possible transfer. True or not, Stansbury IS the problem when it comes to our transfer and chemistry issues. I've argued this with people before, and I'll continue to do so. When you're bringing in 12-13 guys who are (for the most part) the best players on their HS or JUCO teams and have never played together before, it falls on the head coach to develop roles and manage egos. This is the foundation for them to develop chemistry on the court. I don't think anyone can argue that Rick has done a poor job in that aspect.
there is one constant with the # of transfers we have from players that get significant playing time - the coaching staff.
We will suck no doubt if all these guys do end up leavingbut Ole Miss might have us beat in level of suckitude if Warren, White, Polyniece, and Holloway all leave. Also add to the fact that Huertas and Malcolm White left early. Hell maybe these kids just don't like being in this state.
That's a pretty flawed argument. We've had the same coaching staff (for the most part) for 13 years. There is nothing to compare it to in terms of how other men's basketball coaches would handle players at State. I'm not saying he's not the reason players transfer, but the "one constant" argument is just weak. I can think of more than one constant for our basketball team: we play home games at the Hump, Jack Cristal announces games, Hank Flick is off the hook I guess....Again, not saying that Rick isn't to blame, but there is no way any of us can prove it.
but if you want to blame the Hump or Cristil, feel free since they are so involved with day to day operations of the program. I don't mind if players transfer. That's part of it but the fact that players transfer that see decent playing time is frustrating.
Jerrell Houston - not a big deal. The Delks, Hansbrough, et al makes me wonder.
Jerrell Houston - not a big deal. The Delks, Hansbrough, et al makes me wonder.
Compared to the rest of the country or theSEC over the last few years? I'd like to see those numbers before I buy the argument that Stansbury is the problem. I know that two years agonearly 20players transferred out of the SEC and only one was from State.
is the ones that transfer that actually play. People transfer because of lack of PT all the time. And I might be jumping to conclusions because that might be the reason that Osby is transferring but he played a decent amount of minutes this year.
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we are tied for 5th coming into this season with Jawja, but we lead the conference in transfers that start or get significant minutes
**edted to add**- and other than Fla, all the other schools with alot of transfers have gone through coaching changes...that always jumps the number of transfers up
we are tied for 5th coming into this season with Jawja, but we lead the conference in transfers that start or get significant minutes
**edted to add**- and other than Fla, all the other schools with alot of transfers have gone through coaching changes...that always jumps the number of transfers up
I don't mind guys transferring because of lack of PT. That's expected. We just seem to have a lot of guys that play decent minutes that want to get the hell out of Starkville.
I used to get pissed at the transfers, but I welcome them a bit now. I don't mind it as much anymore, because of the availability of players out there. Nowadays these kids are showcasing their talents for all to see at an early age. They play year round, travel frequently at an early age, and their AAU coaches pimp their abilities and achievements to college coaches for a fee everyday.
If the players that can't make it to the NCAA Tournament without winning the SEC Tournament get replaced every couple years then I don't have a problem with it. Just look at the accomplishments our transfers have had after they leave. Robert Jackson had success, but he needed to go for and from the team. Hansbrough, I wish we could have kept him. That one hurt. One Delk has had some success on the big stage. There are to many others that just went away and didn't achieve things that want to achieve.
I say out with the old and in with the new. Maybe someone or two will fall in our laps to help this team win. Osby I am afraid just isn't what we wanted him to be. Turner needs to get his head right and he will help us. Ravern, I say good riddance. He can shoot and occasionally rebound, but that's it. Bost would be a very bad mistake to lose though.
If the players that can't make it to the NCAA Tournament without winning the SEC Tournament get replaced every couple years then I don't have a problem with it. Just look at the accomplishments our transfers have had after they leave. Robert Jackson had success, but he needed to go for and from the team. Hansbrough, I wish we could have kept him. That one hurt. One Delk has had some success on the big stage. There are to many others that just went away and didn't achieve things that want to achieve.
I say out with the old and in with the new. Maybe someone or two will fall in our laps to help this team win. Osby I am afraid just isn't what we wanted him to be. Turner needs to get his head right and he will help us. Ravern, I say good riddance. He can shoot and occasionally rebound, but that's it. Bost would be a very bad mistake to lose though.
I agree its frustrating and the coaching staff is the most likely reason....(the one constant comment is what got me). What I want to believe is that any player leaving is doing so because the coaching staff asked them to.
Take Osby for example...the fact that he has no idea where he is going from here means one of two things: 1. He wants to be anywhere but here 2. Coaches pushed him out and he hasn't had a chance to find a school, yet. Very few people will ever know the true reason why players leave.
Take Osby for example...the fact that he has no idea where he is going from here means one of two things: 1. He wants to be anywhere but here 2. Coaches pushed him out and he hasn't had a chance to find a school, yet. Very few people will ever know the true reason why players leave.
I think players don't respect Coach Stans because he treats players differently and really doesn't know what he is doing as a coach on the offensive end. That is what it boils down to as I see it. Players these days care about showcasing offensive skills.
Benock getting minutes laying bricks and passing up shots? WTF. Turner/Osby scatchingtheir heads.
Barry Stewart as the go-to guy with 8 seconds left on the shot clock driving from the perimeter to get rejected again? WTF. Kodi scratching his head. Osby scratching his head.
Playing Tranny for him to serve up underhanded layups to be rejected at the rim. WTF.Turner scratching his head on the bench while Stew gets 38 min per game playing only the 2 instead of backing up Bost his Fresh year at the point.
Letting Jamont run wild so he wouldn't have to come up with an offensive plan? WTF. Hans wonders why we couldn't run a set play to free him up for a 3 at the end of the game?
Osby so much as said this about the offensive strategy in the Starkville Daily News.
I contend that wewould have been a better team this year playingOsby at the 4 and Kodi at the 5 during the minutes that Jarvis was out of the game. We would have been a better team if the 4 was positioned somewherenear the basket to help with rebounds and putbacks. It is up to Rick to work out the spacing issues and passing and movement away from the ball to get guys open to score. Thishas been a weakness of his for years. Players see thesegapping holes in strategy and walk around looking pissed off, popping off in post game interviewsand laughing at Coach Stans behind his back. To think we will do anything different next year is laughable.Just hope that Sidney isthe star at the 5 that we hope he is. Maybe we canwin a few ballgames prior to him getting cleared. I appreciate whatCoach Stans has done providing winning teams, but to deny theseglaring weaknesses is silly. Just go get an offensive minded assistant and let him do hisjob. That would solve the problem if Coach Stans would allow it.
Benock getting minutes laying bricks and passing up shots? WTF. Turner/Osby scatchingtheir heads.
Barry Stewart as the go-to guy with 8 seconds left on the shot clock driving from the perimeter to get rejected again? WTF. Kodi scratching his head. Osby scratching his head.
Playing Tranny for him to serve up underhanded layups to be rejected at the rim. WTF.Turner scratching his head on the bench while Stew gets 38 min per game playing only the 2 instead of backing up Bost his Fresh year at the point.
Letting Jamont run wild so he wouldn't have to come up with an offensive plan? WTF. Hans wonders why we couldn't run a set play to free him up for a 3 at the end of the game?
Osby so much as said this about the offensive strategy in the Starkville Daily News.
I contend that wewould have been a better team this year playingOsby at the 4 and Kodi at the 5 during the minutes that Jarvis was out of the game. We would have been a better team if the 4 was positioned somewherenear the basket to help with rebounds and putbacks. It is up to Rick to work out the spacing issues and passing and movement away from the ball to get guys open to score. Thishas been a weakness of his for years. Players see thesegapping holes in strategy and walk around looking pissed off, popping off in post game interviewsand laughing at Coach Stans behind his back. To think we will do anything different next year is laughable.Just hope that Sidney isthe star at the 5 that we hope he is. Maybe we canwin a few ballgames prior to him getting cleared. I appreciate whatCoach Stans has done providing winning teams, but to deny theseglaring weaknesses is silly. Just go get an offensive minded assistant and let him do hisjob. That would solve the problem if Coach Stans would allow it.
Not only is it missing Rimmer from State, as someone in that thread pointed out, but several players from other schools as well. I don't know how difficult it is to compile such a list, but I was able to find three omissions from one season alonein about five minutes using Google.
That said, it does give a rough idea of what the numbers are. And our numbers aren't any worse than the rest of the conference. Transfers are more common nowanyways since players have easier access to communicate withothersand see what else is out there, whether it's through the internet, text messaging, etc... That's just the evolution of the game.
As for transfers of note, regarding those where playing time isn't the reason, I'll just ask this: How many of those guys made good moves? One? Maybe two? And they didn't exactly leave that huge of a void in their absence either. Isn't that an indication of good recruiting?If a kid is going to make a stupiddecision, there really isn't much you can do about it. Walter Sharpe was a head case. The Delks are well-documented dumbasses. Take those away and you're left with Gary Ervin and Ben Hansbrough. They went on and did okay for themselves, but in terms of numbers that doesn't really makes us any different from the other 11 schools.
Just seems that this concern is exaggerated.
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That said, it does give a rough idea of what the numbers are. And our numbers aren't any worse than the rest of the conference. Transfers are more common nowanyways since players have easier access to communicate withothersand see what else is out there, whether it's through the internet, text messaging, etc... That's just the evolution of the game.
As for transfers of note, regarding those where playing time isn't the reason, I'll just ask this: How many of those guys made good moves? One? Maybe two? And they didn't exactly leave that huge of a void in their absence either. Isn't that an indication of good recruiting?If a kid is going to make a stupiddecision, there really isn't much you can do about it. Walter Sharpe was a head case. The Delks are well-documented dumbasses. Take those away and you're left with Gary Ervin and Ben Hansbrough. They went on and did okay for themselves, but in terms of numbers that doesn't really makes us any different from the other 11 schools.
Just seems that this concern is exaggerated.
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I love the placeas much as anyone. Spent over 20 years there growing up. But can we please acknowledge that Starkville is not an appealing college town compared to the rest of the SEC? In the grand scheme of things, players who want to play in a town like Starkville are in the minority. It takes lots of charm and hot dogs to sign these guys in the first place. I can't tell you how many players I've talked to who wanted to get the hell out of Starkville for the same reasons I did.
Yeah, I've known about Phil graduating for a while, and as recent as a month ago, I've heard him say "i dunno" about if he's coming back.
I'd say the chances of his return significantly increase with osby gone and with ravern reportedly gone.
I'd say the chances of his return significantly increase with osby gone and with ravern reportedly gone.
Have you been to Albuquerque? It's awesome.
Purdue has 40,000 students. West Lafayette is one of the better college towns in the Big Ten and has nearly 200,000 people in their metro area.
West Virginia has 30,000 studentsand is an hour from Pittsburgh.
I'll give you Manhattan but you're basing this on one year of success.
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Purdue has 40,000 students. West Lafayette is one of the better college towns in the Big Ten and has nearly 200,000 people in their metro area.
West Virginia has 30,000 studentsand is an hour from Pittsburgh.
I'll give you Manhattan but you're basing this on one year of success.
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"Get the hell away from our basketball program"
I don't think Starkville is part of the problem. Poor word choice on my part.
I don't think Starkville is part of the problem. Poor word choice on my part.
Hell yeah if that seasoned vet ain't worth a ****. You guys rail on Stans for his players not getting it done so what the hell is wrong with trying to bring in better players. How many true freshman will be drafted from UK? How many seasoned vets will we have drafted? How many seasoned vets have we ever have drafted? With one and done being a forced thing these days it wouldn't bother me if Stans got a hold of a few of them. Now, will he do it? Who the hell knows he hasn't yet, but he is trying.
STATE has 9 transfers, only behind UK(who had two coaching changes).
Stans is the problem, he has no offenive game-plan. Stans fails to take raw high school players and develop their offensive game. All he wants is a play-maker to take over the team like J-Money, LR, & Austin. Next year we will have Sidney and after that we get Deville. Players get pissed off and leave, it's a fact.
Stans is the problem, he has no offenive game-plan. Stans fails to take raw high school players and develop their offensive game. All he wants is a play-maker to take over the team like J-Money, LR, & Austin. Next year we will have Sidney and after that we get Deville. Players get pissed off and leave, it's a fact.
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According that other list UK, Florida, and Alabama all had more transfers. And before you say that all of ours were not listed, how do you know that all of theirs were listed?
I am not saying that transfers are not a problem because they are a huge issue but it is happening everywhere. All you can hope for is to have fewer transfers than everyone else. I would like to see us snag some of these other transfers from UK and Florida if they don't mind sitting out a year.
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When has Stans EVER had a first year player come in and make a big impact? I would say Ervin, Gordon, and Bost and they all struggled mightily. So that doesn't compare to what Kentucky got out of their newcomers. Not to mention the fact that of the 3 players I named, many MSU fans loves nothing more than for 2 of those players to leave.
Other than PG, Stansbury has not exactly given freshmens quality time or free reign in the past. So, unlike Kentucky, it's not like we are losing the Osbys, Johnsons, and hansbroughs of the world and replacing them with All Americans
Other than PG, Stansbury has not exactly given freshmens quality time or free reign in the past. So, unlike Kentucky, it's not like we are losing the Osbys, Johnsons, and hansbroughs of the world and replacing them with All Americans
No we aren't UK, but with the number of kids out there that can play basketball what the hell does it matter if we lose seasoned losers to try with some that might do better. Y'all ***** and moan so much about us losing games and players transferring, but what the hell does it matter when the next group of players do basically the same as the last group.
If he keeps winning the lowly West while kids that couldn't get to the NCAA's keep transferring at least we get a change.
All I am saying is Stans doesn't win enough for you guys so he runs off a group and replaces them with another group and we do about the same every year. If he lands a group that can make y'all happy I bet he don't run them off.
If he keeps winning the lowly West while kids that couldn't get to the NCAA's keep transferring at least we get a change.
All I am saying is Stans doesn't win enough for you guys so he runs off a group and replaces them with another group and we do about the same every year. If he lands a group that can make y'all happy I bet he don't run them off.
It is because its the 6Pack way. Over-dramatization is done in epic proportions here by many posters. It makes for more interesting threads like the old point-counterpoint skit on Saturday Night Live.jamdawg96 said:
Stans is the problem. If he coulddevelop an offense that ismore thantheStand and Shoot, then maybe some of these players might stay arounduntil they are Juniors and Seniors and STATE could make a run in the NCAA. Most freshman at STATE will never contribute minutes like a junior or senior will. It's not that hard to grasp.[b said:
But Ravern and Osby were both 3's and as we all know, Phil is a 4.
Seriously though, if Ravern leaves and Phil isn't the starting 3 and is still backing up the 4, I will officially join the C34 bandwagon.
Seriously though, if Ravern leaves and Phil isn't the starting 3 and is still backing up the 4, I will officially join the C34 bandwagon.