To be fair, Bo seems pretty clueless about a lot of things
RUMORS circulating that Cael may be fired soon
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Jayridesc**k is back .SMH, remind me how many D1 wins and national championships you have.
69SMH, remind me how many D1 wins and national championships you have.
you type really well with all that PSU dick in your mouth....Gee, I hope I get invited to your 8th grade graduation party.
How is that different from you having Iowa dick in your mouth?
This is going to get interesting... according to Bartlett's wife, the coaches didn't report or do anything about the sexual misconduct accusations they were made aware of. If what the Bartletts are saying is true and Cael and Co did nothing, they need to be shown the door immediately.
*Note all the psu fanboys immediately attacking her character as well... so predictable.
*Note all the psu fanboys immediately attacking her character as well... so predictable.
Notice that they turned off the comments.
Very interesting. This story isn’t going away. Can’t wait for Chris Pyles to address this on the next FRL!
Chris pyles will ignore it or sugar coat it. He has become a moran. And the guy that is frequently on his show is an even worse moran!
Has PSU or the NCAA done any investigating into this? You would think these type of allegations of abuse and sexual crime would need to be addressed by someone in leadership. How much longer before at the least, we get some kind of statement?
Do people performing on-going investigations normally make statements about them?
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That’s the cliche; announce there is an investigation <insert subject>. “As it is ongoing, there will be no questions/statements at this time.” PSU put it out there, acknowledged it, and is ahead of the game. Cross all the I’s, dot all the T’s
.They are in a catch 22. They announce it, it becomes a national story which may end up costing them their legendary coach. If they sit on their hands and do nothing and it passes…continue to win titles. If it breaks and there is anything to it, it’s another case of systemic abuse being covered up by a university. Fair or not, it’s especially important given the context and this particular school’s history.
If I were Cael and PSU, I’d open up the shades and let the sunlight in. Don’t let one guy be the potential epithet of everything he and PSU have done. CS
could totally be a victim of a smear campaign. He could also be that guy. PSU should find out.
If PSU or the NCAA is pursuing an investigation, then I wouldn't expect any to make any announcement either at the onset or until some corroborating evidence of wrongdoing were found by them to be credible.That’s the cliche; announce there is an investigation <insert subject>. “As it is ongoing, there will be no questions/statements at this time.” PSU put it out there, acknowledged it, and is ahead of the game. Cross all the I’s, dot all the T’s
They are in a catch 22. They announce it, it becomes a national story which may end up costing them their legendary coach. If they sit on their hands and do nothing and it passes…continue to win titles. If it breaks and there is anything to it, it’s another case of systemic abuse being covered up by a university. Fair or not, it’s especially important given the context and this particular school’s history.
If I were Cael and PSU, I’d open up the shades and let the sunlight in. Don’t let one guy be the potential epithet of everything he and PSU have done. CS
could totally be a victim of a smear campaign. He could also be that guy. PSU should find out.
Additionally, should they find exculpatory evidence or no wrongdoing, then I would think no announcement would ever be made.
I read an account of a SafeSport claim being dismissed with no announcement of the original claim or SafeSport's finding of fact after the individual's name was publicly posted. That seems un-American.
I think it is probably better not to advertise an allegation with an individual named until it has been substantiated through an independent investigation. That's how investigations of allegations worked that I participated in for US government, which had been brought by citizens.
I wonder what @Corby thinks.
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I want this to hit the national media so bad and they do a big time story on it.
I think he once mentioned something about innocent until proven guilty . . .
You already know what Corby thinks. Thats why you asked him.
A journalist can advertise whatever they want after an investigation. That how they operate im told.
Several times and several places... a matter of due process.
Due process in the judicial sense has always been in tension with the court of public opinion. Social media usage and reach, such as the notion of 'cancelling' seems to have only increased these tensions.
Maybe even some social media users see judicial 'due process' as superfluous or inequitable, given the increasing wealth gap (i.e. inability to defend from the poorer's viewpoint vs the ability to successfully fend off punishment from the richer's).
I've little doubt that some social media influencers have chosen to seize back "the pen is mightier than the sword,' as their standard operating principle.
Well someone is conducting an investigation from the sounds of it. We're going to find who holds the power at psu thru all of this... is it Caels big donors buddies or the adminis thay surely don't want another scandal... in a non revenue sport nonetheless.
Yes, and there have been discussions about what it takes to be placed on the public SafeSport list, as well as how resolutions in favor of the accused go unadvertised.
I may be wrong but I have seen announcements of an investigation with a no comment due to the ongoing investigation. People at the least like to know things are being checked up on when credible information has been made public. I have not seen any comment or no comment from PSU but maybe it is out there and just have not seen it.
Sure. I think those are mostly public officials being paid by tax dollars and elected who want publicity. Goverment has transparency laws like the Sunshine Act. Does any of PSU, NCAA, or SafeSport fit that profile?
Also, I think it is only after they've independently determined there is credible information out there.
I have seen no PSU, NCAA, or SafeSport public statement surrounding any of the allegations.
When a Grand Jury is called to determine whether a crime has even been committed, do they ever advertise the proceedings or are they sealed?
Are you just looking for a vague statement, "We are looking into these allegations?" Does any of PSU, NCAA, or SafeSport owe that to the general public? What value does making that statement add? Would it come with risks that outweigh the benefits?
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I don't remember for sure. Was there anything out of Univ of Iowa prior to the gambling incidents being determined? I thought there was with numbers of athletes in sports but not named til later on.
IDK. I think Coach Tom Brands said you're asking the wrong guy the wrong questions.
Regardless, that was a tax payer funded public investigation.
And I think there was a lot of accusations about a detective with UNI ties obtaining evidence illegally. That was brought forward by the defendants' attorneys.
The University of Iowa did not provide for its athletes defense funds, to the best of my knowledge.
I'm not sure when Nelson Brands tweeted he missed the mandatory meeting on gambling prohibitions.
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DT was purposely misdirecting. Initially the "report" was that he'd be wrestling at Final X. When he (obviously) knew that wasn't possible.
Did we know he was suspended pending an investigation? I must have missed that previously
You posted the Twitter link. What do you think "This status indicates a disciplinary complaint has been filed and is pending resolution through SafeSport or USA Wrestling." means with a table that has a blank entry for "Misconduct Type" and an "N/A" (not applicable or not available?) under earliest reinstatement date implies?
I infer it means something was reported, and an investigation may or may not have yet started, but no finding resulting in punishment for or dismissal of the complaint has yet occurred.
I understand temporary suspension occurs in the interim to err on the side of safety. People have read the SafeSport protocol, and that is how I understand they understand it.
Maybe I am misremembering, but...
What ever happened with Mark Perry when he supposedly had a complaint against him stemming from his time at the HWC? I don't remember any findings report being discussed in the forums. I do remember Pat Mineo coming to the defense of some of the female wrestlers when that SafeSport stuff was going on.
I also don't remember any university or RTC issuing a statement regarding the complaint. Do you? Were there cries for an announcement about publicly acknowledging the investigations then on any of the forums?
The current allegations are likely following a similar process.
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Huh? You are obviously out of the loop.
It was discussed in June 2023 on this board's predecessor.
Yeah, um the Mark Perry stuff was right at the end of his tenure at Iowa, right when all the ladies left the HWC...so that was about 5-6 years ago....
You don't do the maths well.
Point being it was 2ish years ago, same process, why expect university, RTC, NCAA, or SafeSport to behave differently announcement-wise, let alone feign some kind of umbrage that one's sensibilities have been ruffled.
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My point was isn't this the first verification that some type of investigation is actually happening or has happened.