also flying sorties attacking Syrian resistance. Sending in their Marines with tanks. Obviously propping up Assad. I truly don't see what is in it for them. What is their goal in saving Assad? He can't be saved. The Ruskies apparently didn't learn a thing from their debacle in Afghanistan and our debacle in Iraq. From our perspective, the best that can come out of this is they damage ISIS-which isn't much of a fighting force as it is. More of a thug group moving from town to town. In the intermediate term, the Ruskies have put a target on their backs for Islamic extremists, whom they have already had many issues in the past but those have been dormant for several years. Putin is a moron.
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Putin is destroying the resistance against Assad, propping up Assad, who will then purchase weapons from Russia to use against his own people to further subjugate them. He's not hitting ISIS at this time. Putin is anything but a moron.
Putin is anything but stupid. Evil, yes. Messianic, yes. Egomaniac, yes. Stupid, no. He wants Russian influence throughout the middle east. He wants dramatically higher oil prices. He wants to sell weapons throughout the middle east. He wants us out of the middle east. He wants to reestablish Russia as a superpower.
Hilarious. We've dominated the ME for decades. That is why we are in this mess. Islamic extremists despise us for this reason as well as our support for Israel. We've propped up a Shah in Iran, the Kings in Saudia Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Kuwait, and Qatar. And what has it gotten us? Cheap oil? We're producing more energy than they are now. If Putin wants to send in his troops to that hell hole, more power to him. That region's geopolitical significance has diminished considerably.
What is in Putin's interest, however, is combating global terrorism. We have a mutual interest there. Yet, his vision of grandiosity has influenced his decision process. He's still in cold war mode. And Russia is a paper tiger-and always will be. $
You're right. The best thing we could do is retreat from the world stage, particularly the Middle East. The Middle East has no affect on us. 9/11? Didn't happen. Future terror attacks won't happen now that we have exited, right? Your comments are so misinformed.
Putin's interest is in reestablishing Russia as a superpower and one that wields enormous power and influence in the Middle East. But you're right, we have no strategic interests there. But your strategy will have one positive affect for you, Israel might very well be destroyed or severely harmed. That would make your day.
Islamic Extremist despise everything that is us and will continue to do so until we are all dead or they are all dead. I'm happy to accommodate the latter. Russia is a closed society, if anyone tries any sort of terrorism strikes Russia, you can bet he won't show any restraint whatsoever. He will kill thousands for every one Russian. You are as naïve as Obama. Russia has plenty of nukes and military to inflict serious damage anywhere. Paper tiger? Fool.
RPJ and his crew could put up gun free signs in Arabic on all of our coasts so when future attackers do come they can read the signs and have to go back home...problem solved
Russia has, in fact, struggled to deal with islamic extremists. Chechenyan rebels have wreaked havoc in Russia blowing up buildings, killed hundreds in movie theaters, and many other bombings. You act like they are immune from these things because they are so big and bad. It's hilarious how much admiration you wingnuts have for all things Putin-your new tough guy hero. And fyi, there are many countries on this earth who possess nukes. Russia is no more a super power than Great Britain, France, Pakistan, or India-all who also possess nukes. To be a super power, you need more than nukes. It starts with money. Saudia Arabia has a bigger military budget than Russia. Russia can't even control the mob within their own borders, yet you jackasses think they are superman. Funny stuff.
With Russia and Iran backing Assad, he's not going anywhere. And the rebels that Russia is killing are U.S. allies. It's very, very dangerous being a friend to the U.S. under this President.
I'd say it's pretty dangerous being an enemy too...
Would you like for me to give you some numbers on those killed by ISIS due to Obama's malfeasance? Those migrants fleeing Syria and Libya due to Obama's fecklessness? LOL.
I do not admire Putin. I think he is dangerous. . Russia has many more nukes but I will concede that they aren't as big and powerful as they once were. Chechenyan rebels have caused problems but they seemed to have calmed down. I wonder how many died to get them to calm down?
So the wholesale slaughter of people is ok with you. The migration of millions of people into Europe creating enormous instability is ok with you. The entry of these migrants into the U.S. without the benefit of background checks is ok with you.
I think your hatred of the Jews is clouding whatever judgment you have.
I'd say it's pretty dangerous being an enemy too...
I've never seen this. Nice! I wish they had wrapped him in Wilson pig skin before dropping him overboard.
As I've said before, this is a regional problem which should be dealt with by the powers in that area ie saudia Arabia (who has a vested interest in combating islamic extremism) and possess the 4th or 5th most powerful military on the planet. Let them lead the fight. It's in their back yard. Why do American have to shed blood to solve their problems. We've been their suckers for too long-all in the name of cheap gas. Times have changed.
I agree with everything but the cheap gas part. I think it was more about protecting Israel and arms deals.
Our interests are far more strategic than just oil. You seem blinded to the threat of radical Islam on the U.S., for example. We can't just bury our heads in the sand and hope the problems go away. We can't let Iran get nukes and destabalize the world. Yes, our Arab allies have to join us, we can't and shouldn't go it alone. But we can't withdraw. When we do, chaos and evil reign. And that evil will soon come to our shores.
You know I get all that "Peace, Love, Marijuana and bring the Boys Home" stuff. Nobody wants to go to war in this Country. But somebody better tell our leaders that Russia, Iran and China could give a **** about Peace and Love. Iran fighting ISIS, Russia fighting ISIS and China building islands just for landing strips is not going to help the United States. You have Russia joining sides with Iran who chants "Death to America"? Russia and China running joint military opps? These three leaders are like dogs, they sense fear and weakness. You cannot be a bully and make a statement such as the "red line" and not do anything about it if someone does. That is a sign of weakness and Russia, Iran and China see it. I would hate to be the next President because guess what, when Russia takes over real estate in the Middle east, they don't leave. Russia, Iran and China don't want to talk. They want our ***.
WW III - brought to you by inept lying liberal democrats.
I'm not advocating that we disengage. We definitely have an interest in stability. But inserting US forces into every area where there may be a threat has proven counter-productive. We created more terrorists by going into Iraq than there were before. That is a fact. And we lost 4500 American lives and spent trillions in the process. And for what? Look at the mess we created. That is indeed counter-productive. If we go back in, we're throwing good money after bad. There are many ways we can stay engaged-intel, air operations, etc. But it should be arabs on the ground doing the dirty work. Not Americans.
I think chaos and evil have always reigned in the ME. It's not worth one American life. If more ME evil comes to our shores, I would turn the ME into a wasteland.
That's hilarious. The US has a military budget of over $600 billion per year. China's and Russia's combined is about $200 billion. And our GDP is almost twice theirs combined.
You jackasses think that the world is falling apart every time a Democrat sits in the Oval Office. The facts prove otherwise. Chicken Littles, all of you.[roll]:flush:
How many years did you spend in the ME? Have you ever served in the military and had secret briefings about world affairs? Have you ever truly studied the history of our country as it relates are involvement with wars? You seem like you form an opinion and then google information to support it. Unless you have served in war, you don't have the right to call anyone chicken. Of course message boards do make some folk braver. While I respect your opinions, I find you offensive and uninformed.
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What a crock of ****. Did you ask W, Cheney and the rest of the neocons about their war fighting experience before they sent our troops off to Iraq under false pretenses ultimately killing 4500 of them? I love how you ex-military think you have all the answers just because you served. Why don't you accept the appreciation for your service without labeling everyone who didn't serve as ignorant? You don't know everything just becasue you wore the uniform, jackass.
you are partly right, the world is worse off while Obama has been in office. [cheers]
Oh, and who did I call "chicken"? Look up chicken little and get back to me, Einstein.
I don't think you are ignorant because you didn't serve.
I didn't call anyone ignorant. Nor, did I call any one a chicken little. Wait, I didn't even call anyone a jackass. firthermore, I never mentioned Chenny or any political party.
You didn't get the memo. Obama is at fault for nothing and every challenge he faces is always at the feet of the current congress or the previous administration. RPJ is our board's version of Baghdad Bob.
uninformed = ignorant
chicken little does not equal chicken
And your insinuation was that unless one has served in a war, he shouldn't be talking about war. How many wars did cheney and W serve in?
Your logic lesson and English language lesson is over for the day. And I won't charge you a dime.
He hasn't been a very good president (which should give everyone pause who thinks we ought to elect another amateur to the office), but neither do I think he's any of the things his worst haters say about him. So what exactly is he at fault for in Syria?
You really don't understand what Russia is after do you? My insinuation is that experience, either in war or any other issue, is a valuable tool to help one understand said issues. It's really simple, Russia has been trying to align with Iran and Syrie for ever; China will do whatever they want if left unoppossed. If you think events in the ME don't gravely impact the national security of the USA, your mistaken.
If you feel better thinking I called you ignorant, I have no problem with that.
Obama was an amateur in that he had very little practical experience. He was in politics for a very short period of time. He never held a private sector job. He never ran anything.
In Syria, Obama's huge mistake was drawing the red line and then cowering away. Our credibility was destroyed. How are our possible allies (rebel groups) going to ever trust us if they put their lives on the line. Trust is critical to our foreign policy. We have to say what me mean and mean what we say.
LOL. There is no debating with folks who blindly follow an agenda. Think that can be said about most extremists.