Ruskies firing cruise missiles into Syria....

[RichardPeterJohnson]

You really don't understand what Russia is after do you? My insinuation is that experience, either in war or any other issue, is a valuable tool to help one understand said issues. It's really simple, Russia has been trying to align with Iran and Syrie for ever; China will do whatever they want if left unoppossed. If you think events in the ME don't gravely impact the national security of the USA, your mistaken.

If you feel better thinking I called you ignorant, I have no problem with that.

I never said events in the ME didn't have any impact on our security. You are putting words in my mouth. I said the regions geopolitical significance has diminished. And it has as more countries have become less reliant on their oil. Do you dispute that?

That region's political turmoil is rooted in several problems-the Israel/Palestine issue is one and the most significant is the islamic fundamentalist movement. That movement threatens the very kingdoms I alluded to earlier. It behooves those kingdoms to address this issue. But as long as we keep sending our Americans over there to do their dirty work, they never will. We can help them. But we should not do it for them.

 

[Airport]

The Middle East will always be a thorn in the side of decent human beings. There are those who want the Jews wiped off the face of the earth, Islam is one of them. The Middle East is run by people who have subjugated people in their kingdoms and hate Israel too. The Wahabi's of Saudia Arabia finance Hamas, Hezbollah an all the other radical organizations that are dedicated to wiping out Israel while pretending to be our friend. If you took Israel out of the equation, it would still be a cesspool over there. Their hatred of the west is unbelievable. There will never be peace there until time ends.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

The Middle East will always be a thorn in the side of decent human beings. There are those who want the Jews wiped off the face of the earth, Islam is one of them. The Middle East is run by people who have subjugated people in their kingdoms and hate Israel too. The Wahabi's of Saudia Arabia finance Hamas, Hezbollah an all the other radical organizations that are dedicated to wiping out Israel while pretending to be our friend. If you took Israel out of the equation, it would still be a cesspool over there. Their hatred of the west is unbelievable. There will never be peace there until time ends.

 

[AirForceer_rivals]

I never said events in the ME didn't have any impact on our security. You are putting words in my mouth. I said the regions geopolitical significance has diminished. And it has as more countries have become less reliant on their oil. Do you dispute that?

That region's political turmoil is rooted in several problems-the Israel/Palestine issue is one and the most significant is the islamic fundamentalist movement. That movement threatens the very kingdoms I alluded to earlier. It behooves those kingdoms to address this issue. But as long as we keep sending our Americans over there to do their dirty work, they never will. We can help them. But we should not do it for them.

Yes, I dispute that the ME geopolitical significance has diminished. However, I would agree it would be ideal if those most threatened would step up. The truth is that most secretly have some similar views as ISIs. Now, they are fighting amoungst them selves, but once there is a clear victor, who do you think is next?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Yes, I dispute that the ME geopolitical significance has diminished. However, I would agree it would be ideal if those most threatened would step up. The truth is that most secretly have some similar views as ISIs. Now, they are fighting amoungst them selves, but once there is a clear victor, who do you think is next?

So, you want to fight another pre-emptive war? How'd that last one work out? That's the thing about the military. When you're a hammer, the whole world is a nail.

 

[AirForceer_rivals]

So, you want to fight another pre-emptive war? How'd that last one work out? That's the thing about the military. When you're a hammer, the whole world is a nail.

Actually, most of the men and women that serve would prefer no war. During the cold war, the only reason Russia didn't nuke the US, or the USA them, was both peoples understood the end results would be devasting for both countries. If either country showed weakness, we might live, or not live, in a very different world my friend. As for me, the last thing I want is war, but I'm ready to support any actions needed to protect us from people that would push a button to vaporize us if they had such a button.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He hasn't been a very good president (which should give everyone pause who thinks we ought to elect another amateur to the office), but neither do I think he's any of the things his worst haters say about him. So what exactly is he at fault for in Syria?

I don't think he is the worst, but he is pretty bad from a foreign policy and fiscal perspective.

I would say in Syria, the inaction 3-4 years ago was a major issue. The Red Line fiasco was horrible. What has been going on in Syria is bordering on genocide and I don't care what the situation is or where, we as a world Superpower have to intervene in some way. Now, we don't have any real options. We just need to stay the course of inaction.

 

[bornaneer]

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[Airport]

Yep, both sides are guilty on this. Wahabism is the problem. Madras schools that wahabism promotes are hand in hand, like that, with radical islam. Saudia Arabia is not a true friend. Somehow, that bottom one looks photo shopped.

 

[MountaineerWV]

also flying sorties attacking Syrian resistance. Sending in their Marines with tanks. Obviously propping up Assad. I truly don't see what is in it for them. What is their goal in saving Assad? He can't be saved. The Ruskies apparently didn't learn a thing from their debacle in Afghanistan and our debacle in Iraq. From our perspective, the best that can come out of this is they damage ISIS-which isn't much of a fighting force as it is. More of a thug group moving from town to town. In the intermediate term, the Ruskies have put a target on their backs for Islamic extremists, whom they have already had many issues in the past but those have been dormant for several years. Putin is a moron.

Russia's preparation? Is this like Hitler's assistance to a Franco civil war in Spain? Trying out his military for a broader purpose perhaps? I don't trust Putin. Never have, never will. He's not a good guy.

 

[dave]

Russia's preparation? Is this like Hitler's assistance to a Franco civil war in Spain? Trying out his military for a broader purpose perhaps? I don't trust Putin. Never have, never will. He's not a good guy.

Putin wants to establish russia as a superpower but wants nothing to do with NATO.

 

[MOUNTIE IN MD]

Looks like the Ruskies undershot today (Iran).

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He hasn't been a very good president (which should give everyone pause who thinks we ought to elect another amateur to the office), but neither do I think he's any of the things his worst haters say about him. So what exactly is he at fault for in Syria?

Saw this on CNN. Thought you might be interested in it:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/middleeast/syria-war-how-we-got-here/index.html

 

[AirForceer_rivals]

Saw this on CNN. Thought you might be interested in it:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/middleeast/syria-war-how-we-got-here/index.html

Very good read. Russia/China have always been the powers that vote against the US when it comes to the ME. Been that way for years; they are not are friends.