Russell will struggle against Auburn

57stratdawg

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He was impressive last night, but Mike Henig could have thrown for 300 yards against Memphis last night.

Russell's first TD pass to Heavens went straight through a Memphis DB's hands. He lofted a ball up to Heavens in the 3rd quarter from insider our own 10 that someone how got caught.

Plus, Russell had all day to throw last night and still forced a couple balls. Against Auburn everything is going to be speed up, which tells me he's going to force more balls.

Russell will be great in the future, but not against Auburn on Thursday.
 

57stratdawg

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He was impressive last night, but Mike Henig could have thrown for 300 yards against Memphis last night.

Russell's first TD pass to Heavens went straight through a Memphis DB's hands. He lofted a ball up to Heavens in the 3rd quarter from insider our own 10 that someone how got caught.

Plus, Russell had all day to throw last night and still forced a couple balls. Against Auburn everything is going to be speed up, which tells me he's going to force more balls.

Russell will be great in the future, but not against Auburn on Thursday.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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they were getting Russell game time, and Saving Relf for Auburn.

We will need Relf's running ability,...or can Russell run? they did not show that!
 

AzzurriDawg4

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like that, and for the most part, they haven't. I am not saying he is going to light up Auburn, but I wouldn't be so quick to discount his performance last night.
 

missouridawg

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Russell, while he had a SPECTACULAR day... left several balls low and behind receivers.

He stepped up in the pocket nicely and made a few good scramble throws... but other than that, his receivers bailed him out a lot on those off the mark throws.

Hopefully that was just some first game jitters and he'll be ready Thursday night.
 

Todd4State

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but I do not agree about Mike Henig. Henig would have completed MAYBE 50% of his passes and had at least a pick or two.

Let's be honest here- yes, Memphis is bad, but how many MSU QB's over the years have had performances like that against inferior opponents? Not very many that I can recall. Maybe Derrick Taite 1994 against Tulane? People talk about, "Gee it was nice to beat someone the way we're supposed to", well a big reason why we didn't in the past was because of crappy quarterback play.

The fact of the matter is this- while Russell maybe wasn't totally 100% perfect on all of his throws, and yes, his first TD pass was almost picked off, and maybe would have been picked off by a SEC player, Tyler Russell made plays. We hear these coaches talk about the ever mysterious "it" factor that a QB has. Well, to me, that is "it"- making plays successfully. That's something that can not totally be measured by skill all the time- someone mentioned that Stewart Patridge had "it", and I agree with whoever said that, but when add a guy who has talent with "it", then you have something potentially special.

And let's also keep this in mind- this was Tyler Russell's first D-I football action ever. I certainly would have been satisfied, and maybe even impressed with less than what I saw Sat. Most guys would have had some nerves and things like that, but Tyler never really showed that to me.

I do agree that he will not do as well against Auburn simply because Auburn is better. That said, he does not necessarily HAVE to do better, or even as well. That is the beauty about having Chris Relf. Dan has to, and I think he will, put them in situations that will benefit each of them and the team. Relf will help take the pressure off of Tyler Russell because if and when Tyler struggles a little bit, we can pull him back on the sidelines for a little while and let him collect himself and refocus and let Relf play, and it's not going to hurt the team at all to do that- very similar to Wayne Madkin and Matt Wyatt in 1999. And again, having Relf will take the pressure off of Tyler because Russell does not necessarily HAVE to be the man. It's a pretty darn good situation to be in, if you ask me.

And if we're going to nitpick the placement of Tyler's passes, I think it's only fair to talk about the two deep balls to Bumphis where he hit him in stride for touchdowns. I think we also have to talk about the fact that Tyler threw the ball on the run very well- something very few QB's can do, and a skill that essentially made Joe Montana Joe Montana (I don't think Russell is Joe Montana either until he leads some comebacks and wins some Super Bowls). I think we have to talk about his pocket prescence and, regardless of the pressure or lack thereof, he made the plays.

And the most exciting thing to me is the fact that Tyler Russell is just a redshirt freshman. He will get even better as time goes along. And I think as time goes along, more and more people will start to understand exactly what I was talking about in terms of developing a quarterback and not just haphazardly throwing the next "real deal" out there.
 

ShrubDog

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These folks hung tight with Auburn thru 3. I am sure they got worn down in the 4th qtr.

Yes we had some lucky passes, but don't most good teams?
 

Coach34

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against Auburn, if that. He did some really good things last night. But his first TD went thru the DB's hands, the first time he got hit he fumbled inside our own 10 yard line but fortunately we recovered, and alot of times our WR's made good catches on his passes. Heavens 2nd TD pass was behind him and he did a great job of spinning his body around to make the catch. A couple of sideline routes were real low and the WR's made quality catches as well.

Memphis was just simply a really bad football team. We had WR's running free all over the place. To Russell's credit, he read the D and hit these guys, but let's don't act like he was putting the ball into small windows for the WR's to make plays. He will be a solid QB in the future, especially with the coaching he is receiving. But he is not ready to play significant snaps against Auburn in a tight game. Hell, he fumbled the only time he got hit.

Experience will make him better, I just dont think we can afford to let him get it in the Auburn game
 

MedDawg

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Of course, you can't always judge from last year--look at us. Still, Arkansas State had 40 more yards and about 4 pts over their 2009 averages against Auburn yesterday, and ASU 2009 includes a 61-0 win over MS Valley and a SunBelt conference schedule.
 

maroonmania

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on WHERE Russell threw the ball I really saw no issues with his accuracy. No doubt he tried to throw to places several times where there was just too much coverage, including his first TD pass, but I didn't see any of his balls that were off target or uncatchable. He was 13 of 16 and the 3 that weren't completed were just knocked down by good coverage. He was dead eye on the money all night with his throws and I can't remember the last time I could say that about the passing of an MSU QB. His biggest mistake all night was really when he was in the pocket and had to come forward out of his own end zone and he just kind of held the ball out like he still wanted to throw and had it knocked loose. In that case he should have either thrown it away or tucked it away but instead he did neither.
 
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but, he did make a couple of nice throws into tight windows. Yes, some throws were off the mark a little, but this is college. He's not Drew Brees hitting someone on a back shoulder fade. He kept the ball away from the defenders and put it where the WR could make a play, most of the time. That said, the two most encouraging things I saw were: 1.) Our WRs actually making plays on the ball and making nice adjustments and catches (I can't remember the last time we had more than one WR that could do that), and 2.) Russell was calm and poised. No nervous feet, kept his eyes downfield, stepped up or rolled out of the pocket calmly and at the correct times, etc. Now how will he handle it the first few times a couple of 300+ pound SEC playerscome through the line? Who knows. But his calmness and poise were excellent last night.

As for Auburn, if we see very much of him, one of two things has happened: Our offense is rolling Auburn as easily as we rolled Memphis, or Auburn has effectively stopped our run game with Relf under center and Relf is not being effective throwing the ball.

I think he'll get two series in the first half, and his performance and/or the state of the game will dictate his playing time from there.
 

hulkbuster

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If I'm not mistaken, did Arkansas STATE not put up 26 pts on auburn? And had it not been for cam newton that game could've been much like @%$%'s. Do I think Tyler will have a GREAT day? No. But at the same time they are suspect in the secondary. And it could be something to exploit for mullen & Tyler.
 

kired

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Didn't jump or nothing... just stood there & dumped it right over the guy. When was the last time we had a QB tall enough to do that? very nice
 

CoastDawg18

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what to expect Thursday. Relf looked pretty good when he got to play. He made a terrible decision on his first pass, but aside from that he ran well and threw a few good passes. Russell obviously looked good. Regardless of the fact that we played Memphis, he made good decisions and good throws and effectively moved us up and down the field.

I have a gut feeling that Relf is going to struggle at some point and Russell will take over the bulk of the playing time. I'm not sure that it will happen against Auburn, but I think by mid-season Russell will be out shining Relf.Etiher way, it's a good problem to have.
 

Nugdawg

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in this QB thing because honestly, I think they both will play and both bring something different to the table. We will find out in 4 days. That said, it's unfair for folks to keep pointing out the first TD pass Russell threw that was ALMOST intercepted but wasn't but yet, not mention the first pass that Relf threw that was one of the worst reads in football that WAS intercepted. That was elementary...his not reading the underneath LB. Relf also frustrated me in the first half at times with his slow decision making and lack of willingness to pitch on the option. I agree Russell had WR's open all night and all he had to do was not miss them...and for the most part..he didn't. And that is something we can't say about our QB play in a very very long time.

Put me down as a guy that thinks Russell plays more than 2 series.
 

weblow

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I tend to agree that Russel or Relf will have a tough time. I have only seen the first quarter but they have put a good bit of pressure on the quarterback.

Not saying that Relf or Russel with suck, just that they will not enjoy the same amount of time they had in the pocket against Memphis.

On a side note, Cam Newton looks to be the real deal.
 

ultra dwarf

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1 drop by Bumphis, 1 into double coverage but hit the receiver in the hands and dropped, and the other I dont remember! I don't see a whole lot to complain about. For the most part he hit all receivers in stride.When is the last time that happened? I think your being a little unrealistic in your post.
 

bulliegolfer

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Personally, I hope he has a good game. If that's just 2 series with marginal success as in just a couple of first downs, so be it. I don't think it's a bad thing to bring him along slowly. But I have a feeling he will do OK and play more than 2 series. I just hope Relf can run and handle the option well. We need to keep Auburn's offense off the field.
 

BoDawg.sixpack

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Gotta remember it was his first collegiate game. It says a lot about the whole team too, you still have to block, run and catch for the passes to be complete.
With alittle experience Tyler ceiling is going to be very high!</p>
 

maroonmania

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The other was a pass to Marcus Green upfield where Marcus was covered quite well and the defender broke up the pass. Could have possibly been called pass interference since the defender never turned to play the ball and there was some faceguarding going on but no call.
 

Frances Drebin

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...was an unbelievable throw. I know you meant it in criticism of Russell, but that's a deep out where the db had underneath coverage, so Russell put touch on it and put it right on the money. It might have been his best throw of the night.
 

Hidog78

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Everybody is asking questions about Russell's abilty to handle Auburnbut I am more concerned about Relf. FRIST pass (a five yard pass to the tight end) is intercepted!!! The qb with the most time under center makes that big of a mistake. We could have down by 7 with a few minutesgone in the game. Relf's long td pass to Berry was completed because the defender fell down. Russell has much to learn , Relfshould know a lot more but c34 will be surprized how much playing time Russell get in the next game. Bets could be over before theyreally get started.
 

CoastDawg18

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Hidog78 said:
Everybody is asking questions about Russell's abilty to handle Auburnbut I am more concerned about Relf. FRIST pass (a five yard pass to the tight end) is intercepted!!! The qb with the most time under center makes that big of a mistake. We could have down by 7 with a few minutesgone in the game. Relf's long td pass to Berry was completed because the defender fell down. Russell has much to learn , Relfshould know a lot more but c34 will be surprized how much playing time Russell get in the next game. Bets could be over before theyreally get started.
Agree! Relf scared meevery down last year and he didn't do anythingagainst Memphis to change my opinion.