Russell Wilson is a class act
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Great scene and better movie. Kubrick was a genius. Dr. Strangelove is still my favorite of his though.Settle down Jar Head.
Oh, I'm sorry, sick burn man!!! Sick Burn!!!!
Nobody knows I'm an atheist because I have to live in the closet.
In my day to day life people are nice to me and I'm nice to them. But I'm sure that many of them would be both shocked and appalled to know I don't believe in God. I think you should consider the possibility that there are people you know in the same boat as me but you just don't know it because they too live in the closet.
Considering the context of the post I don't get the Russell Wilson reference. And go through the thread and see how many times people call me names and how many times it goes in reverse.
I don't think anyone would care unless you are working for a religious institution, which you aren't. And you aren't being forced to live in the closet. Stop it. You are making a personal choice. I don't know why anyone would be afraid to acknowledge they are an atheist in front of me. I'm pretty open about me being agnostic. I think this whole thing with being in the closet about being an atheist is a lot more to do with your lack of character and courage than it is about anyone else.
You have no idea what you're talking about. First of all I get bashed on here just for being an atheist. And secondly, as I live my life as an atheist in the closet people will say nasty things about atheists to my face, not knowing I am one.
Atheists are the most despised minority group in the country, including gay people and Muslims. There is plenty of research on this. Look it up. Here is one to get you started.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-12-10/religion-atheism/51777612/1
Disagree completely. There is a stigma with saying you are atheist, especially in Appalachia. They still look down their nose at "Christians" that aren't T totalers. It says he still cares what other people think about him. I couldn't even imagine the reaction I would get from friends and family if I said I was atheist.
Oh, you are a minority group now? My god, stop allowing yourself to be a victim and grow a set of balls. No one on here has bashed you for being an atheist. You have been bashed for being critical of a man who has very strong faith for having strong faith by using dumbass strawman arguments.
As to your personal belief of not believing in anything, that is fine. I don't care nor do I think anyone on here does. The criticalness of your belief is not being able to comprehend that something started it all. Even scientifically, there had to be something before the Big Bang, there had to be something that started it all. You don't have to get mired down into the dogma of it, I personally don't and by saying I'm agnostic, I acknowledge something created the Big to be Banged. I don't think man can comprehend it and ergo, I don't try to. There is just something IMO. I also don't spend my time worrying about it. I place atheists in the same category as I do devout believers. Your lack of belief is still a belief which means, like believers, you think you have the answer but your answer is that nothing exists. You actually have a lot more in common with those you think hate you.
As to whether or not it matters. To me it doesn't. If your lack of belief gives you comfort, great. Why are you critical and intolerant of those who believe? If it gives them comfort, why be critical? I say good for them, and good for you.
I don't need to place my faith in something I believe no one can understand. I believe in myself. That is the only thing I am sure of.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. It is easy take a "I don't care what people think of me" approach when you know it won't have more than a minor effect in the big picture. I want you to consider, to SERIOUSLY consider having ALL your friends and family abandon you. Consider being COMPLETELY alone in the world. It's easy to say "I don't care what other people think" when you know you're not going to face real consequences.
From this post I get the impression that you have a different definition of atheist. Atheists aren't sure that God doesn't exist. Nobody is. But as far as the beginning of the Universe goes, you're getting into unanswerable questions. I can comprehend that something started it all, if something did start it all, but I just don't believe it because there is no reason for it and plus because it doesn't solve anything anyway because it just pushes the question back to "What created the thing that created the Universe?" If you say "That thing didn't need a creator" then someone answers back "If that thing didn't need a creator then the Universe didn't need a creator either, thus there is no need for that thing to exist and create the Universe."
If you acknowledge that something created the Universe then you're not an agnostic.
I was mocking him saying that God helps him win football games. That deserves mocking. I didn't mock anything decent he has done. Other than his ridiculous prosletyzing I actually like Russell Wilson a lot.
BTW, he's insulting God when he says God helps him win football games. The people that should be most pissed about it are the God believers.
First, I have seen very few if any on this board bash anyone who is non religious because of their beliefs. On the contrary, most of the bashers,including you, are the non religious posters that do most of the bashing. Second, your family and so called friends must be even more narrow minded and intolerant than you are if they would abandon you because of your beliefs. I suggest you get some professional help with your depression. That was not a flame, just advice.
You too are completely clueless about the lives of people like me. But consider that there are likely people you know that are just like me only you don't know it. You think you're some broad minded person who would be accepting of people with differences but unlike you the people with the differences don't have the luxury of being wrong. If you're wrong it has not effect on you but if they're wrong they suffer consequences.
And really, I do very little bashing on here and I bash much, much less than I get bashed. If you have a minority opinion and you stand up for your views the majority takes it as bashing. It's not. Go back and look at the actual words I use in various threads
Wow, just wow.
Both creationism and evolutionism believe that time is a parameter of this universe. When this universe was created so was time. Therefore, Whomever created the universe does not have a beginning nor ending as we would know it. Perhaps this is just too difficult of a concept for you to grasp.
We know that the Big Bang happened but we don't know in an absolute sense if time began then or if there is a cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches or what. People bandy about theories but we know that we don't actually know. I know you want to logically prove that a Creator exists but you can't nor can anyone else. Stopping at "I don't know" is good enough.
I can communicate clearly. Clearly, I can communicate. Communicate clearly, I can.
Actually we do know in an absolute sense that time as we know it is as a property of this universe, and space and time are interwoven in how they interact with one another.
I actually am not trying to prove a creator. We do know that something had to cause the Big Bang, because nothing happens on its own. You just don't want to admit it because of the implications.
If something had to cause the Big Bang because nothing happens on it's own then what caused the thing that caused the Big Bang? Something had to because after all, nothing happens on it's own, so sayeth you.
We live on the level we live on but that doesn't mean our notions of nature and cause and effect are operate on every level. If 200 years ago you had told someone that time moves at different rates depending on how fast the person is moving or that space is curved they'd have told you that you were crazy but we know today with as much certainty as we can know anything that those things are true. On the quantum level particle pop into and out of existence and that too would have been considered ridiculous to people in the past.
We simply don't know a lot about the beginning of the Universe. That's okay. It's good to say "I don't know" when you don't know.
You don't know what that thing might be. But you do know that one day you will know what that thing is.
See, that is why I don't get how it's atheists that are considered know-it-alls. Here is something that plainly no human knows and atheists will say they don't know but believers will say that they know God is going to fill them in one day and yet it is the former that is considered know-it-alls? I don't get that at all.
You're exactly right. In fact, I believe his faith has to be stronger to be an atheist. The universe was created out of nothing. That defies all the laws of physics. Our universe is so very delicately balanced, otherwise it could not exist. The odds that an explosion occurred and created this kind of perfection is simply mathematically impossible. That is why some scientists are now espousing a multi universe theory.
We clearly have different definitions of atheism and agnosticism.
I'm sorry you feel so oppressed. I place my personal integrity above all else. I am honest with myself on who I am and I am honest with others about who I am. We clearly have different values. That's fine. I just for the life of me cannot understand placing the opinions of others above the core truth of who I am.
Something being created out of nothing does not violate the laws of physics. On the quantum level something is created out of nothing all the time.
That said, the laws of physics on our scale that we develop don't necessarily hold when all the matter in the Universe is compressed into a single point.
The notional of a Multiverse has nothing to do with our Universe being "perfectly balanced" (which it isn't anyway). That idea has been around for 60 years and comes out the idea that since events are probabilistic at the quantum level it's possible that every potential event to both happen and not happen, each in its own Universe, the sum total of such Universes making up the Multiverse.
Note the general tone of this exchange. You say something with certainty about things you don't know. I correct them using some knowledge that I have. And then in the end I come off like the Smarty Pants because I used some minimal physics knowledge I have to correct things you say. But if you step back and look at things, it's you that is the one making the claims about things you don't know. I'm not saying I know those things, you are. I'm just using a little knowledge I have to show that you don't know.
So we're left with, you don't know but you pretend you know and I don't know and I admit I don't know. And yet I'm the one the comes off like Smarty Pants. Weird, isn't it?
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10-sciences-alternative-to-an-intelligent-creator
Even Freeman Dyson acknowledges the very delicate balance of our universe. Multi-universe theory is one cited that recognizes that delicate balance and the high unlikelihood that an accidental Big Bang would have produced such balance.
As for creating something out of nothing, This violates the conservation of matter and energy law. The answer is string theory which seems to be going nowhere fast. No proof of multi-universes.
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