Ryan Duffy, I applaud you

[Todd4State]

"One thing you can say about our team is we are always going to compete and play hard," Duffy said. "That is what our fans deserve to see. Even after the disappointing loss on Sunday, the mindset was to get right back after it and win a couple of games in the midweek. Both teams played hard tonight. It was a back-and-forth game and we feel real good about getting the W."

Now THIS is what I'm talkin' about.

 

[Coach34]

the rest of our fanbase needs to catch up and realize we need some tough-minded players. We now have some tough-minded coaches ready to bring us the success we as fans deserve.

We are tough on our players and coaches here, but we also applaud good play and effort. The shepherd and his flock need to get with the times- this isnt co-rec soccer.

 

[patdog]

Because if they're not, they won't last long under either Mullen or Cohen.

 

[Rebheaded Stranger]

Why do you, as a fan, deserve success?

This isn't some State/Ole Miss flame. Far from it. I've heard Ole Miss people make the same dumbass comments about football and baseball before regarding Omaha or the Sugar Bowl.

Seriously. Is there such a thing as an undeserving fan base?

By what rationale are you as a fan more deserving than an equally committed Auburn fan? Arkansas fan? Baylor fan?

I think fans that talk about deserving success are narcissistic idiots who think that the success or failure of their respective teams is somehow reflected back onto them personally. Buying a hat or a shirt or donating half a million bucks doesn't mean you deserve a damn thing.

 

[Coach34]

thats why.

I think every fanbase that gets out and supports their teams deserve success- whether they get it or not- thats a different story. For example:

Auburn basketball doesnt deserve success. I've seen more people in a public bathroom than go to their home games.
Mississippi State baseball deserves success- it has earned it through the years

 

[Todd4State]

Why do you, as a fan, deserve success?

This isn't some State/Ole Miss flame. Far from it. I've heard Ole Miss people make the same dumbass comments about football and baseball before
regarding Omaha or the Sugar Bowl.


Seriously. Is there such a thing as an undeserving fan base?

By what rationale are you as a fan more deserving than an equally committed Auburn fan? Arkansas fan? Baylor fan?

I think fans that talk about deserving success are narcissistic idiots who think that the success or failure of their respective teams is somehow reflected
back onto them personally. Buying a hat or a shirt or donating half a million bucks doesn't mean you deserve a damn thing.

Of course Ole Miss. OK that was obviously my jackass answer. You set yourself up with that and I'm just messing with you. I don't want to start a 12 page thread pissing contest either.

Now the rational answer- I don't think we necessarily "deserve" National Titles, wins or whatever. I don't think that's what coach is saying, either. Those are earned through hard work, good recruiting, some luck, etc. But I do think that we deserve the the very best from our coaches and players to try to win every game. You may not like MSU, but I don't think anyone that's rational from any school can say that we got the very best effort from Polk to win, or from Polk's team. Croom may have given his best personal effort, and may have simply been over his head, or just plain lazy. Probably a combination of both. Regardless, that's unacceptable at an SEC school.

I do hope that the end product of Cohen's work is a NC. There's no guarantee to that, and I understand that, but at the same time, there is absolutely no reason to not try your very best to win it at MSU. Especially when you have facilities, an AD that is supportive, a fanbase that is supportive, and you're in a fairly good recruiting area.

And one thing I can say about this team from having watched them play- they don't have the most talent, or win every game, but not once have they given me any reason to question their effort this year so far. And I do appreciate that, whether I deserve it or not.

 

[Toag Redloh]

and not really all that important. Entertainment, except for the people getting paid to win, and that's their job and their problem, not mine, Mr. Joe Average Fan. The only people who really let it affect their lives are the yuppies who live out all their aggression and competitive spirit on watching sports, something they really don't have any effect on, which is really pretty damn pathetic. These same people's self-worth stems from what their favorite school's sports teams put on the field. Instead of taking out their aggression on the guy who is pushing them around at work they come home and do it to the TV on Saturday night. Then they get on the message board talking about how they hope players legs get broken and ****.

 

[8dog]

without fans. I think all fanbases are right to deserve success. I don't think its being used to say that ours deserves it more than others.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...MSU football doesn't deserve success, relative to most other programs in the SEC. And basketball deserves middle of the pack type success, which defeats everything you've ever said about Stansbury.

Try again.

 

[Toag Redloh]

I don't think Coach is right about most things-MSU basketball, but he's right about this.

Fans=support=money=wins.

Try again.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...my point was that Coach based his definition of fanbases that deserve success on the level of support. If that is the benchmark, then MSU would be about 11th in the conference in deserving success. More to the point, basketball would be somewhere in the middle of the pack. We've actually achieved higher than "middle of the pack" status under Stansbury, yet Coach rails on him all the time, even though some of it is deserved (scheduling, etc.).

If fan support indicates the level of deserved success, we only deserve it in baseball, and nothing more.

For the record, I agree with rebhead.

 

[RebelBruiser]

For some reason I find myself pulling for MSU against USM. I guess it's because I want USM to understand that they are and always will be little brother in the state.

 

[Hanmudog]

However, I hate seeing teams like Cal-State Fullerton and the like winning national titles with an average home attendance of around 300-400. Support is more than just butts in the seat. You have fans donating time, money, and talking up their team around the state. By that definiton, you are damn right we deserve a winning team. MSU fans have a passion for baseball that is unmatched by anyone in the SEC outside of LSU and here recently Arkansas and Ole Miss.

 

[Toag Redloh]

which is probably a good bit for anywhere outside the SEC.

It's funny how we're still top 4 in SEC baseball attendance with a .500 club, in a year when it was a foregone conclusion that we'd be mediocre at best. When Cohen gets us back to the elite, I bet we're right up there at #1 and #2 again. Will be hard to beat LSU in their new venue, especially when they are good, which will be all the time under Maneiri.

 

[Coach34]

Wasnt saying that fan support is the end all to success, but it is a part. Auburn fans dont give a **** about basketball at all, they really dont deserve any success. Auburn isnt going to sellout and get crazy for their team no matter if they are good or not.</p>

MSU football? When our teams have had a chance to compete, our fans have turned out and have made our stadium a hard place to play. Its when we havent gotten the coaching and players worthy of supporting that we havent turned out for games.

Basketball? I wonder where we stand if you measure the attendance against capacity? I'm sure we would be in the top half of the SEC every year. Which is about where our program is.</p>

 

[tossedoff]

we draw as well as any college baseball team. There is no reason LSU shouldn't have at least 8,000 in attendance for every game (butts in the seats, not tickets sold).

 

[DowntownDawg]

...I can shoot a lot holes in that one too. Fans don't deserve success. There is no "deserve" in sports. In all three sports, a combination of the best coaches and the best players win. Whatever school has those, wins.

 

[Toag Redloh]

In all three sports, a combination of the best coaches and the best players win. Whatever school has those, wins.

And who has those consistently? The ones with the most money. And who has that? The ones with the most support. And who makes up the support? The fans. Indirectly or directly.

Stop trying to argue and accept reality. Whole fanbases that decide they want to win and do what they, as a group, can, will get what they put into it. It's all correlated together and you're and idiot if you can't understand that.