Saints getting rocked
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I said when this first came out that Williams career is over and Peyton would be suspended for at least 8 games. The Saints have had the reputation as the dirtiest team in the league for years now, and it just came home to roost. I'm actually surprised they're only losing 2 2nd round draft picks.
for something that every former player ESPN or anybody interviewed knew went on and nobody felt it was wrong ...for paying for big hits and other motivating factors
boy steve spag....??? walked into a great situation, he will know take over as interim coach, i suppose
The 2 draft picks hurt worst than all the rest... cause we already traded this years #1 for ingram
boy steve spag....??? walked into a great situation, he will know take over as interim coach, i suppose
The 2 draft picks hurt worst than all the rest... cause we already traded this years #1 for ingram
They were warned to stop. They did not. Now face the wrath of Roger Goodell... just like every other player and coach who's 17ed up.
What makes a team dirty? To be as objective as possible I think you would want to look at personal foul penalties and injuries on the other team.
The Saints under SP have been a pretty clean team in this area. Ranked in the better half of the league.
Now if you are talking about the instances like when Bobbby McCray knocked out Kurt Warner in the playoffs... That was a vicious hit no doubt, but within the rules... no penalty. Similar instances during the Vikings game with Favre.... Some very vicious hits (and some probably could have been called a personal foul). I think a lot of this "dirty team" lable came from the "Aints" not being the "Aints" any longer and in the process being a very physical team (nearly all of the time being within the rules of the game).
The Saints under SP have been a pretty clean team in this area. Ranked in the better half of the league.
Now if you are talking about the instances like when Bobbby McCray knocked out Kurt Warner in the playoffs... That was a vicious hit no doubt, but within the rules... no penalty. Similar instances during the Vikings game with Favre.... Some very vicious hits (and some probably could have been called a personal foul). I think a lot of this "dirty team" lable came from the "Aints" not being the "Aints" any longer and in the process being a very physical team (nearly all of the time being within the rules of the game).
what happens to all the other teams in the league where this was going on? It seems (based on former and current players comments) that this sort of "pay for performance" takes place on numerous teams around the league.
I don't have a problem with them coming down hard on the Saints coaches and GM that had knowledge of this, supported this and ignored the NFL when they said to stop it. Fine the hell out of them. Fine the hell out of players that were invovled. The suspensions and draft picks seem a little much.
New England was cheating the game and they got far less handed down
I don't have a problem with them coming down hard on the Saints coaches and GM that had knowledge of this, supported this and ignored the NFL when they said to stop it. Fine the hell out of them. Fine the hell out of players that were invovled. The suspensions and draft picks seem a little much.
New England was cheating the game and they got far less handed down
Mad about something that was clearly outlined in the NFL rules as illegal? Something that the Saints were warned to stop and they lied about? Or mad because the dumbass head coach and GM allowed it to continue?
Also, all of those NFL guys I've heard said there were rewards for big plays, not for players trying to take a partiuclar person out of a game. I just listend to two current players say on ESPN that they would be disappointed if they found out that their teammates were doing this.
Also, all of those NFL guys I've heard said there were rewards for big plays, not for players trying to take a partiuclar person out of a game. I just listend to two current players say on ESPN that they would be disappointed if they found out that their teammates were doing this.
They denied and lied about it for years and then after questioning it was found to be true. They deserve what they got.
Paying players bounties to hurt opposing players.
Having the fund administered by a coach.
Having the head coach and GM both knowing about the program and condoning it.
Lying to the NFL about it.
Continuing the program when the NFL told you to put a stop to it.
Those are a few things that make a team dirty.</p>
Having the fund administered by a coach.
Having the head coach and GM both knowing about the program and condoning it.
Lying to the NFL about it.
Continuing the program when the NFL told you to put a stop to it.
Those are a few things that make a team dirty.</p>
He was fined $500,000, the Patriots were fined $250,000 and they were forced to give up draft picks. They got caught cheating. They didn't get caught trying to intentionally cause bodily harm to other players for payment. They didnt' get told to stop it by the league if it were going on, only to lie about it and get busted for that as well.
Murder isn't a big deal, either, because people are gonna die, anyway. <div>slickdawg said:
</div><div>Saints fans: the problem isn't just that your administration operated a bounty program. It's that they were warned, lied, and then got caught. If they would have just stopped when they were warned, it would have never come up. Instead, they've got Sean Payton still receiving an email where a guy actually says "P.S. Coach Williams put me down for $5,000 on Rogers". That level of stupidity from an organization will gain no pity from me.</div><div>
</div><div>editied to correct for spelling in subject line</div>
Seriously, I think we all expected the New Orleans Saints to get hammered. We expected a heavy financial fines and the loss of a second day draft choice or two. We expected a couple player suspensions and perhaps a multi-game suspension of Gregg Williams and Sean Payton.
But this?
Two second round draft choices, a full year's suspension for Payton, half a season for GM Mickey Loomis, an indefinite suspension for Williams, eight games for linebacker coach Joe Vitt, half a million bucks, and player suspensions and fines still to come.
That's not just harsh. That's as close as the NFL can get to capital punishment. Especially when you consider the penalties against Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots in 2007 when the Patriots were caught blatantly cheating and lying about it.
Belichick was fined $500,000, the team $250,000, and the Pats lost one first-round pick.
Yes, the Saints were wrong to have a bounty system in place. They were wrong when they kept it going after being warned to stop. There's no place in football for such a system, although the ugly NFL secret is that the Saints are far from the only team that has had such a system in place. Several players and former players have indicated as much.
But this?
Two second round draft choices, a full year's suspension for Payton, half a season for GM Mickey Loomis, an indefinite suspension for Williams, eight games for linebacker coach Joe Vitt, half a million bucks, and player suspensions and fines still to come.
That's not just harsh. That's as close as the NFL can get to capital punishment. Especially when you consider the penalties against Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots in 2007 when the Patriots were caught blatantly cheating and lying about it.
Belichick was fined $500,000, the team $250,000, and the Pats lost one first-round pick.
Yes, the Saints were wrong to have a bounty system in place. They were wrong when they kept it going after being warned to stop. There's no place in football for such a system, although the ugly NFL secret is that the Saints are far from the only team that has had such a system in place. Several players and former players have indicated as much.
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