Salem Interception at End of Half (Photos)

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[Shabutie]

I thought it was easy to see from the stands... clearly an interception and that moment changed the game.

 

[1MoreHokie]

Kinda amused how people refuse to acknowledge this one.

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[wgarlick]

Officials were bad. This was the pass interference on the Lake Taylor defender.

 

[Shabutie]

Officials were bad. This was the pass interference on the Lake Taylor defender.

Didn't like that call either. On the other hand, Wahee got away with a MASSIVE hold two plays before that. The official was actually explaining to him after the play why it was a hold but didn't throw the flag during the play.

 

[southbottomU]

lots of holding by Lake Taylor of Salem receivers more than five yards down the field---called twice----could have been called at least five times

 

[shauntclair]

You decide.

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Touched the ground and bobbled. Why don't you think the Salem kids and Coachs didn't complain? Great play. Bad throw. But over.

 

[shauntclair]

lots of holding by Lake Taylor of Salem receivers more than five yards down the field---called twice----could have been called at least five times

Told you this was how they played. Told you this would have an impact, depending on the zebra squad assigned. In most of VA, this is holding or PI. Not in the 757.

 

[Shabutie]

Touched the ground and bobbled. Why don't you think the Salem kids and Coachs didn't complain? Great play. Bad throw. But over.

He didn't bobble the ball at all. It was an obvious missed call.

They were all telling the officials it was a catch. The player that caught it even mentioned after the game that it was definitely a catch. It was easy just as easy to see from the stands as the pictures are.

 

[southbottomU]

those pictures show no bobble

 

[shauntclair]

He didn't bobble the ball at all. It was an obvious missed call.

They were all telling the officials it was a catch. The player that caught it even mentioned after the game that it was definitely a catch. It was easy just as easy to see from the stands as the pictures are.

I disagree but does it really matter now?

 

[freeatlast2013]

Just watched it Shauntclair and the announcers in the first half on a interference call on Salem against I believe Wayne Davis clearly said the ball was hit before man ! Secondly , the interception was shown three times and the announcers both thought it was clear interception ! One announcer thought the field goal by Lake Taylor could have been good under high school goal posts ! I think that was the first field goal tried this year by them ! That part does not matter nor the site ! Great game by both teams !

 

[shauntclair]

Just watched it Shauntclair and the announcers in the first half on a interference call on Salem against I believe Wayne Davis clearly said the ball was hit before man ! Secondly , the interception was shown three times and the announcers both thought it was clear interception ! One announcer thought the field goal by Lake Taylor could have been good under high school goal posts ! I think that was the first field goal tried this year by them ! That part does not matter nor the site ! Great game by both teams !

Completely disagree other than it was a great game by both squads. The Spartan D impressed me the most. They really STUCK folks. You play d like that, you get all respect from me. I under rated them but they really brought the wood.

When I was born and raised in NY, this is why I loved the Giants. They lost a lot at that time but you could never question the defense. They brought the pain. That's how Salem played Saturday. Congrats.

Also, best Coached team in D4. No one there runs an offense as balanced, solid and diversified. They could do whatever was required, depending on what the defense gave. Hell, the Salem QB only completed 4 passes on the night but he did not turn the ball over and made good decisions. That's Poise and Coaching. The defense was the same. Salem only got 53 yards of offense in the 2nd half and they still managed. The boys played great but Mag's made it so. LT got out Coached in this game, IMO. They relied too much on the athleticism of individuals while Salem got everything from every player and I don't think there was a one that did not come up big at some time during the game. Great team.

 

[Shabutie]

I disagree but does it really matter now?

Not sure how you even disagree... the ball didn't move at all. Yes it is over but you also made a post about the call.

 

[shauntclair]

Not sure how you even disagree... the ball didn't move at all. Yes it is over but you also made a post about the call.

Still disagree. Do either of our views matter now? Congrats on a great game Spartans.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Ball hit ground on interception as photo #2 shows.

But regardless of who won, it was a badly called game for a state championship game. If LT had won, it still would have been a bad game for refs.

 

[shauntclair]

Ball hit ground on interception as photo #2 shows.

But regardless of who won, it was a badly called game for a state championship game. If LT had won, it still would have been a bad game for refs.

Actually, I thought the refs did a very good job.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

They did good job with coin toss. After that, it's debatable.

 

[insidedog]

Officials were bad. This was the pass interference on the Lake Taylor defender.

It wasn't called interference. The call was defensive holding. That's why Salem still had a third down after the penalty mark off. Interference would have been an automatic first down.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Both players are going for the ball. It was not PI or holding. The LT player has good position.

 

[SalemPride]

Both players are going for the ball. It was not PI or holding. The LT player has good position.

I don't believe the holding call was on the pictured DB and if it was it was called earlier in the route. LT DB's continually held Salem WR's early in the routes. Therefore, you would not have seen the infraction in the above picture.

 

[insidedog]

Both players are going for the ball. It was not PI or holding. The LT player has good position.

The holding was called as the receiver was getting off the line of scrimmage. It was a double move by the receiver, and the db grabbed him to keep from getting beat.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Which ref flagged it ? I thought it was the ref in deepest part of the field. (the one in center of field)

 

[SalemPride]

Which ref flagged it ? I thought it was the ref in deepest part of the field. (the one in center of field)

No it was the sideline official. However, I do remember it coming out very late.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Any late flag is a fishy flag.

 

[SalemPride]

Any late flag is a fishy flag.

That is true sometimes but in this case they FINALLY got one right. Like I said, the LT DB's continually held Salem receivers off the line of scrimmage making it almost impossible for them to get into their routes and disrupting the timing with the QB. I even saw on one occasion the jersey of a Salem WR get completely pulled out of being tucked in and no flag was thrown. After the play the Salem WR even talked to the official and showed him the proof of the hold.

 

[VaPrepsRod]

It wasn't called interference. The call was defensive holding. That's why Salem still had a third down after the penalty mark off. Interference would have been an automatic first down.

That bolded part is incorrect - https://www.nfhs.org/articles/addit...ootball-regarding-helmets-coming-off-players/

From the linked article...

"Perhaps the most significant rules change next season will be one that reduces the penalty for pass interference. While the 15-yard penalty will remain for both offensive and defensive pass interference, the loss of down has been removed for offensive pass interference and the automatic first down has been eliminated for defensive pass interference."

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Disrupting route is good pass defense, providing you do it legally, and have a good pass rush. too many high school teams let WRs run their routes then get burnt.

 

[insidedog]

That bolded part is incorrect - https://www.nfhs.org/articles/addit...ootball-regarding-helmets-coming-off-players/

From the linked article...

"Perhaps the most significant rules change next season will be one that reduces the penalty for pass interference. While the 15-yard penalty will remain for both offensive and defensive pass interference, the loss of down has been removed for offensive pass interference and the automatic first down has been eliminated for defensive pass interference."

Correct. I misspoke on the automatic part. I should have said it would have been a first down with the interference penalty as it was less than 15 yards for a first. Good catch.

 

[salemfan32]

Ball hit ground on interception as photo #2 shows.

But regardless of who won, it was a badly called game for a state championship game. If LT had won, it still would have been a bad game for refs.

The ball can touch the ground as long as the player has possession of the ball, which he did.

 

[WP02alum]

Posting this over in the LT coach thread as well, but can anyone speak to the defensive holding & pass interference rules? Coach Sawyer mentioned multiple times that the rules allow contact (not holding, but contact) until the ball is in the air. Is he right? Can you knock an opponent to the ground (without holding) up until the point the ball is thrown? I imagine there's some nuance to this rule that I'm missing.

 

[freeatlast2013]

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Completely disagree other than it was a great game by both squads. The Spartan D impressed me the most. They really STUCK folks. You play d like that, you get all respect from me. I under rated them but they really brought the wood.

When I was born and raised in NY, this is why I loved the Giants. They lost a lot at that time but you could never question the defense. They brought the pain. That's how Salem played Saturday. Congrats.

Also, best Coached team in D4. No one there runs an offense as balanced, solid and diversified. They could do whatever was required, depending on what the defense gave. Hell, the Salem QB only completed 4 passes on the night but he did not turn the ball over and made good decisions. That's Poise and Coaching. The defense was the same. Salem only got 53 yards of offense in the 2nd half and they still managed. The boys played great but Mag's made it so. LT got out Coached in this game, IMO. They relied too much on the athleticism of individuals while Salem got everything from every player and I don't think there was a one that did not come up big at some time during the game. Great team.

Shauntclair thank you for that ! These kids played against a great great team ! The coaches prepared them , the players executed , and the fans showed up and were the twelfth man ! It was a great defensive game and I thought the refs did an admirable job even though we had a couple of calls that did not go our way ! Lake Taylor being as great as they were made us a better team ! These kids worked extremely hard and were prepared ! Lake Taylor could not run consistently and their coaches changed in the second half with short passing game but our kids made tackle after tackle ! They made Lake Taylor drive the ball and snap it a lot , no big plays ! I thought Lake Taylor executed well and almost pulled it off ! The announcer said before OT that the kicking game could cause an issue with Lake Taylor , especially in OT !

 

[WP02alum]

That Lake Taylor missed FG is just karma for that miraculous last-second FG they made in the semis at North Stafford in 2012 to go on to the title game (I think that was the year).

 

[Shabutie]

The holding was called as the receiver was getting off the line of scrimmage. It was a double move by the receiver, and the db grabbed him to keep from getting beat.

This was not the case on this play. Davis never held and he definitely didn't commit PI. I think this was a make-up call for not calling the obvious hold on Wahee on 1st down that resulted in a sack. Salem ended up not getting an automatic first and got stopped on a 4th down conversion.

 

[Shabutie]

Posting this over in the LT coach thread as well, but can anyone speak to the defensive holding & pass interference rules? Coach Sawyer mentioned multiple times that the rules allow contact (not holding, but contact) until the ball is in the air. Is he right? Can you knock an opponent to the ground (without holding) up until the point the ball is thrown? I imagine there's some nuance to this rule that I'm missing.

In high school there is no illegal contact. You can jam and be physical receivers until the ball is in the air but you aren't allowed to hold. The offensive players are allowed to do it as well but you rarely see them understand this at the HS level.

 

[one man]

It wasn't called interference. The call was defensive holding. That's why Salem still had a third down after the penalty mark off. Interference would have been an automatic first down.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2860095/highlights/319491621/v2

Fast forward to 1:00. I personally think it was a bad call. It's debatable though as Davis took his hands off Tucker at 5-7 yards from LOS. I'd say it was great coverage. Also, notice the ref pull his flag and hold it in his hand until after the ball hits the ground. Like what was he waiting for is my question? The officiating wasn't great but I've seen worse. On the punt return, if Bruton doesn't stretch Ramsey out, I'd say he will get his hands on Davis, he may not tackle him but he is certainly in arms reach. Can't really see the other "blocks in back" because cameraman was struggling. Refs certainly missed a few calls that went both ways but they didn't decide the game IMO.

 

[Shabutie]

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2860095/highlights/319491621/v2

Fast forward to 1:00. I personally think it was a bad call. It's debatable though as Davis took his hands off Tucker at 5-7 yards from LOS. I'd say it was great coverage. Also, notice the ref pull his flag and hold it in his hand until after the ball hits the ground. Like what was he waiting for is my question? The officiating wasn't great but I've seen worse. On the punt return, if Bruton doesn't stretch Ramsey out, I'd say he will get his hands on Davis, he may not tackle him but he is certainly in arms reach. Can't really see the other "blocks in back" because cameraman was struggling. Refs certainly missed a few calls that went both ways but they didn't decide the game IMO.

Yep, I agree on the bad Davis call but Salem ended up failing on fourth down two plays later... that didn't impact the game.

On the punt return the two block in the backs were blatant. One around the LT 40 yard line and another at the Salem 20. I didn't like the call on the Ramsey block.

On the other hand, Salem got called for a very questionable PI on LTs last drive of the first half on 3rd and 15 and got a bad call on an INT near the endzone on the same drive. If LT doesn't get points on that drive the game is probably very different.

 

[shauntclair]

Yep, I agree on the bad Davis call but Salem ended up failing on fourth down two plays later... that didn't impact the game.

On the punt return the two block in the backs were blatant. One around the LT 40 yard line and another at the Salem 20. I didn't like the call on the Ramsey block.

On the other hand, Salem got called for a very questionable PI on LTs last drive of the first half on 3rd and 15 and got a bad call on an INT near the endzone on the same drive. If LT doesn't get points on that drive the game is probably very different.

Very different? What are you saying? Would LT have won?

Does any of this matter? Salem won in a tremendous battle that could have gone either way. Last. saturday, the best team on the field won. None of these plays took away from a well earned victory.