In no way am I justifying the cop shooting him in the head, but seriously people, follow the Police's instructions if you are stopped...and if you've been wronged sue them, and stay alive.
They will kill you.
They will kill you.
Sam DuBose Murder
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Oscar Grant, Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice, (probably) Sandra Bland.
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If you can't tell what's happening on the video, I don't know what to tell you.
The cop reaches to open the door handle and starts to ease it open, DuBose grabs the door on the sill to pull it closed while starting up the car.
You remember this one from last year? Didn't make a ton of headlines and this guy had nothing happen to him. He murdered an unarmed kid for no reason. Kid had headphones in and was walking away and got murdered. He was never even accused of doing anything.
Read more about how pathetic this situation was...
You sir are a serious piece of **** with which society would be better off.
What do you want me to do? The cop has been indicted for murder. Do you lose sleep over every single murder that happens in the country? Or just the ones on video? Or they need to involve a cop?
What makes you lose sleep over this situation and not the the tens/hundreds (or whatever the number is) of other people murdered on a daily basis?
A guy is dead. The guy who shot him has been indicted for murder. No, as I said, I'm not glad the situation happened. But it happened.
So no, I'm not going to lose sleep over this. Hell, I haven't lost any sleep over all the other shootings that have happened in Cincinnati this year. And some of those don't even have a suspect. That really must keep you up at night.
Some of you guys need to realize bad **** happens in this world. Look on the bright side, this guys kids will now come into a pile of money they can use to break the cycle of generational poverty. The world didn't lose the next Einstein.
I wonder what the answer would have been if you took a random sampling of his children and asked them which they'd prefer, their dad or a pile of money.
Yeah, it's amazing that nothing is really being done. It seems obvious that there are problems with the way police are prosecuted, and on the other end, with the way they are trained. Rather than being open to admitting there's major issues, most police departments and unions in this country think they need to circle the wagons and complain that we don't understand how hard their job is. Of course it's hard. That doesn't mean you're allowed to be terrible at it.
It was comical how they said he was justified in his actions cause he apparently got some call of a suspicious guy with a gun that was never verified or validated.
These cops seem to be rather fearful of people despite them being the ones with the gun and the other person walking away.
I guess GTA just doesn't give you the rush of actually killing someone.
Stop being a woman. Society needs taxpayers who aren't emotional little bitches over every killing in the world.
I tend to not side with the cops on these deals, but listen... grabbing somebody's arm from a potentially moving vehicle is a pretty damned deadly weapon.
There are good answers to these questions. Good answers like the fact that yes, all murder actually does bother me. Good answers like the fact that murder that has systemic causes that we could and should work toward fixing and choose not to as a society is somewhat more bothersome. Answers like the fact that you've passed judgment on the driver for everything from having too many children and being the downfall of his culture, being unintelligent, not taking care of those kids, all stuff you know nothing about, and only passed judgment on the cop so far as to say he should be in jail and is a POS for shooting the guy. At least you're willing to admit that. Anyway, there are good answers to those questions, and I could go more in depth into it. I hope you don't interpret my thinking you're generally gross and your worldview is f***ed and I don't really want to have a conversation with someone like you anymore as my not having good answers to those questions. If you do, I can't help that. The end.
Really?! You're ok with cops having this much power? Murdering people and gettjng away with it?!
Sadly, this is the best advice. Its just sad its come to this.
As Ive posted numerous times, its a matter of awful applicant pool. Most, if not all, of these horrific videos are at the hands of officers who should've never been on the street for one reason or the next. These positions are awful hours, awful pay, and often awful/no benefits. Why would anyone with any potential want these jobs? Unless of course, its to exert authority over the general public; which is basically whats happening.
Instead of giving McD's workers $15/hour, pay should be increased for law enforcement. That way there will be better job applicants, and therefore less atrocities at the hands of imbeciles.
I agree with this. Something has to be done in order to weed out the incapable. You need a certain level of intelligence. Pulling someone over for not having a front license plate? Sounds like he was looking for someone to F with in the first place. And obviously he doesn't have his license on him. He would have told you. He doesn't need to be asked 5 times. Don't be a prick. Use some common sense and deductive reasoning. Every cop that I know, and I know I shouldn't use this to judge all cops, is not exactly splitting atoms up stairs. None of them had ambition. None of them went to class and put forth an effort. They're really some of the dumbest people I know. One guy, bless his heart, never once wore a condom. He brought home some skaaaaaaaaank girls. Didn't care. Ended up with all kinds of stds. Bad decision making. Now I'm supposed to trust this ape with a gun? Please. The people of this country deserve better.
Of course not but they arent going to disarm the police and as long as they are armed there will be bad decisions made by even the best of Officers. If you know this why put your life at risk by putting yourself into a position to be killed? Is the risk of a DUI or night in jail worth the end of your life?
I don't know what you're seeing.
His hand has been on the ignition continuously from the instant the cop says stop and reaches in to put his gun to his head.
You got a better alternative? Because OBVIOUSLY fleeing and resisting isnt working now is it?
You have joe deters and Eric deters confused. Joe deters isn't in trouble like Eric the bulldog deters is. He defended the bengals cheerleader nailing her student after she denied 100 times
Bad cop meets a career criminal. How could anything less than a bad story come from this meeting? Yet again common sense is lost and perp chooses not to follow a law enforcement officers commands and it leads directly to his death. This is bad for the cop but Dubose is not without blame for his own death. The gun never goes off if he gets out of the car like he is commanded instead of putting it in gear and nailing it.
I don't see the cop being convicted for murder here. He was either partially in the car or had a hold the perp when the perp decided to attempt escape, the officer was thrown to the ground and I would suspect any lawyer worth a crap could convince a jury that his life was in danger.
I don't see the cop being convicted for murder here. He was either partially in the car or had a hold the perp when the perp decided to attempt escape, the officer was thrown to the ground and I would suspect any lawyer worth a crap could convince a jury that his life was in danger.
This was a ridiculous traffic stop to begin with. We all know the campus cop couldn't wait to pull over some guy over a technicality, out of his patrol area no less. He thought he had a DUI arrest (which they should stop giving out awards for highest DUI arrests, etc. But that's anther topic).
Dubose was compliant. Handed an unopened bottle of liquor. Explained the registration issue. Then he started balking on the license, which he clearly didn't have with him.
The officer should have just ran his name, to see if he had a valid license or not. Instead, the officer physically opens the door and attempts to drag Dubose out (rather than asking him to step out of the vehicle, as is the protocol). Dubose reacts by pulling the door shut, which at that point is a fairly reasonable response. Then the officer begins reaching into the car for whatever reason, and Dubose tries to drive away; an illegal choice, but not one requiring any sort of lethal action let alone lethal force being the immediate option.
The solution is easy. Big picture - increase pay. It gets better applicants. Case specific, this The officer created a tense situation, when it could have easily been avoided. Then he resorted to lethal force immediately, and without cause. Finally he lied about his report, which proves hes both stupid and unethical considering he knew he was wearing a body cam.
But you've admitted you were in corrections/LE; so that explains why youre in the "IF HE JUST DID EVERYTHING HE WAS TOLD HE WOULDNT GET SHOT IN THE HEAD" crowd.
Did the guy actually have a weapon in the car?
So what are the facts in this case...
1. Driver did not follow the officers orders.
2. Driver attempted to flee.
3. Driver was shot dead by the officer.
Given all the political buzz around a white cop shooting a black guy, could see him getting manslaughter.
So what are the facts in this case...
1. Driver did not follow the officers orders.
2. Driver attempted to flee.
3. Driver was shot dead by the officer.
Given all the political buzz around a white cop shooting a black guy, could see him getting manslaughter.
This is the same logic that goes into telling women they wouldn't have been date raped if they hadn't gone out dressed like that. Dubose punishment for poor common sense can't be death.
Tensing is a POS and should be convicted of murder.
And as I pointed out earlier, following officers commands is by no means a guarantee you won't be murdered. Grant, Rice, Gray, Bland.
No it isn't. Women are raped against their will. Dubose made a choice when he decided to start the car, put it in gear, and mash the gas. Choice was all his and there is no way you can say he was forced to do that. Tensing being a bad cop does not excuse Debose of his actions. Don't forget, he was lawfully ordered to get out of the car. That is not a choice he gets to make it's the law that gets out. I think it's safe to assume a court is going to side with the law.
You're last line is a lie too. Bland did not follow commands, nor was she murdered or even killed by the police. You're making stuff up and losing all credibility in the process.
This could happen to any of us. I could get pulled over, be compliant, make one mistake and get popped. It could happen. I make a false move that an officer finds threatening and my life is over. My wife is a widow. And the cop gets to live his life without consequence. This isn't freedom.
The loss of life is tragic.
Was it excessive force, probably. Was the cop within his rights? maybe.
Unfortunately this is an imperfect world. We have police for a reason. Sometimes they make mistakes and go overboard. Sometimes they also get shot during rather routine stops. There's no telling when the danger is coming, you have to assume its always imminent. As you can see, **** got real, real fast.
I think its good there will be a trial. I will be curious to see how this plays out.
Was it excessive force, probably. Was the cop within his rights? maybe.
Unfortunately this is an imperfect world. We have police for a reason. Sometimes they make mistakes and go overboard. Sometimes they also get shot during rather routine stops. There's no telling when the danger is coming, you have to assume its always imminent. As you can see, **** got real, real fast.
I think its good there will be a trial. I will be curious to see how this plays out.
Kill the rhetoric if you want to have a discussion. I'm not "lying" about anything. Bland didn't run. She didn't fight. She was non-compliant, tossed around like a rag doll, and was alive when taken into custody. We'll never know the truth of what happened after that.
Rice didn't comply either, he never had an opportunity. I noticed you didn't comment on any of the other names I mentioned.
Women are raped against their will, but they choose how to dress, how much to drink and who to hang out with at what party. Dubose chose to (As seen in the video) gently shut his door against the officers commands. He may also have attempted to drive away. For that he was shot in the face. The officer was never in any danger. That's really indisputable. Unfortunately I have a feeling you'll try to dispute it, but that doesn't make it questionable. I'm amazed at what it seems to take for some to admit a cop actually did something wrong.
Historically women have been blamed for being raped because of those choices (dressing a certain way, drinking too much) with the same faulty logic that you used. That's a pretty clear analogy.
Ok so if your one mistake was pulling the car door shut as the cop tried to open it and then driving away, then yea you may get shot. Cop definitely acted wrong in this case but why can't these people just do as they're told? He couldn't even answer a simple question like "do you have your license?". I hate it for the guy bc now he's dead when it should've been a routin stop or in worst case a DUI.
Long story short, terrible situation. Cop should go to jail for murder but the guy didn't help his chances by acting like an idiot.
Long story short, terrible situation. Cop should go to jail for murder but the guy didn't help his chances by acting like an idiot.
Timothy Mcveigh, Ted Bundy, Randy Kraft, Richard Ramirez...all caught in routine traffic stops. Do you realize how many drugs, guns, stolen property and even dead bodies are located during routine traffic stops? Thats usually how bigger crimes are discovered and its usually those dumbass questions that the police are asking that lead to the criminal tipping off the police that something just isnt right.In the case of Mcveigh, the police asked him where he was headed and he said on a 10 hr drive. because he was in a parka and most people dont drive 10 hrs in a coat the police asked for his registration. When he reached to get it, the police noticed the 9mm under the coat in his waistband. You would think someone involved in serious crime would have their vehicle in order but its the complete opposite, studies show that these petty things (lack of tag, speeding, etc..) and overlooked details by the motorist (drugs, cash, money, burglary tools in plain view, smell of drugs or dead body) are an extension of a criminals lack of self control or a lack of focus.
99% of the time they do. The other 1% time they get shot in the face apparently.
Why can't some cops just do as they're told in training?