Saw where Ole Miss got another in state football commitment in Clarion Ledger

[Dental Dawg]

Does MSU need to change the way we recruit in the state? It is obvious that Freeze is trying to get an early jump on players. I think that waiting until this summer to offer may be too late.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Too early to worry about it in my opinion.

 

[AROB44]

Just cann't get excited about all the pimping and groveling over HS kids.

Actually, I find recruiting to be quite disgusting. Cann't imagine how a coach feels about groveling and begging a HS senior to please take his scholarship offer. Just don't think I could stoop that low.

 

[DawgBot]

Here is what an Ole Miss fan on another message board had to say about this recruit (Sammie Epps).

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I don't like it at all. He's one giant ***** and he's lazy. He went and played for my old high school (Pillow Academy AAA private school) and wasn't anything special. He's not even the best receiver on Greenwood's team. He left Pillow also because of grade issues.

Not a fan of giving this kid an offer at all.

 

[aTotal360]

Epps will be asked to greyshirt before it's all said and done.

 

[Dental Dawg]

Not so much concerned with this player as I am the fact that Freeze is a busy little beaver. That SOB it aggressively attacking in state players. I would not be shocked if he stomps our *** on in state recruiting this year just by getting an early start. Good luck getting a decent player to flip. We all know how successful we've been in the past flipping recruits or closing on one that's on the fence.

 

[Coach34]

Not so much concerned with this player as I am the fact that Freeze is a busy little beaver. That SOB it aggressively attacking in state players. I would not be shocked if he stomps our *** on in state recruiting this year just by getting an early start. Good luck getting a decent player to flip. We all know how successful we've been in the past flipping recruits or closing on one that's on the fence.

We have to take recruiting slow this year- we have very limited spots. As of right now- we only have about 12-13 spots for next February. Hopefully Spring practice and hot summer workouts bring some attrition to get us to the 20 mark or so

 

[engie]

We've only got about 12 scholarships available for next year currently. What we've ended up with is a small senior class(this year) and an even smaller junior class. The only seniors for next year are the players from the 09 class that Mullen actually redshirted -- and over half that class played immediately, while almost no one in the '10 class did. This left us with basically a "half class" in recruiting that we're going to need alot of "good attrition" in the next few months to allow us to sign a full class(still going to be a small class) in February.

Alot of talent in MS in this cycle -- and much of it falls in traditional MSU strongholds -- so, while it will be a small class, it should be an elite class from an "average stars" perspective. Already DOUBLE the 4* talent in MS next year compared to this past year...

 

[Dental Dawg]

Just my thoughts. We can sit around with our hands in our pockets waiting and hoping that something happens from the NCAA that will set UM back another 6 years. Or we can work as 17'n asses off to recruit like Hell. We need to be proactive now. I hate to say it, but Freeze makes me nervous. I thought he was a clown at first. He's beating our *** at the most important aspect of football. You have to have talent to win championships.

 

[Coach34]

We dont start getting commitments until the Summer usually- happens every year under Mullen

This year wont be any different

 

[Dental Dawg]

Just my thoughts. We can sit around with our hands in our pockets waiting and hoping that something happens from the NCAA that will set UM back another 6 years. Or we can work as 17'n asses off to recruit like Hell. We need to be proactive now. I hate to say it, but Freeze makes me nervous. I thought he was a clown at first. He's beating our *** at the most important aspect of football. You have to have talent to win championships.

 

[patdog]

We need to go ahead and plan on 20-25 spots and get on with recruiting to fill that many. We can always create spots if we need them. Sitting back and waiting to see if there is attrition is ******** and stupid.

 

[Dental Dawg]

I think Ole Miss has that Callaway bunch locked up.

 

[Coach34]

We need to go ahead and plan on 20-25 spots and get on with recruiting to fill that many. We can always create spots if we need them. Sitting back and waiting to see if there is attrition is ******** and stupid.

I didnt say we were waiting around- I said we were taking it slow on taking commitments because of the low numbers. To assume we arent actively recruiting right now is stupid.

 

[patdog]

Then what does "taking it slow" mean? Of course we're actively recruiting, but we need to be 100% agressive recruiting all the time. 17 taking it slow. Like I said, the number will be 20-25. And if it's less, we're keeping dead weight that should have been attritioned out.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Probably means we aren't taking the project players that we usually may take in a regular year. "Taking it slow" is a terrible phrase to describe it, though.

Even still, the the past 5 years we've never had more than 2 guys committed to us at this point in the 'crootin' year. I think we really should chill on this. Quit letting Freesus freak you out.

 

[DudyDog]

Freeze offered this guy because his sister is a 9th grade RB who is already 6'2", 215 and runs a 4.4 forty. This guy isn't very good, but his sister Louvell will be highly recruited.

 

[engie]

Then what does "taking it slow" mean? Of course we're actively recruiting, but we need to be 100% agressive recruiting all the time. 17 taking it slow. Like I said, the number will be 20-25. And if it's less, we're keeping dead weight that should have been attritioned out.

Feel free to run through the players and show the dead weight that needs to be gone...Nevermind that we will likely only have 83 total spots next year, which makes it more like 10 scholarships available at this point. Getting rid of 12-15 players is some pretty stout attrition -- even for the Alabamas of the world...

 

[patdog]

Nobody's freaking me out about anything. I'm one of the ones who was saying all though this recruiting season that we need to quit worrying about UM's recruiting class and focus on ours, which was also a very good class. But to say that since we've never started taking many commitments until the summer is pretty stupid. It's pretty clear that other schools (not just UM) are moving the recruiting process up and pressuring kids to commit earlier and earlier. If we just sit back and wait till summer because that's what we've always done, we're screwed.

 

[patdog]

With 85 scholarships, there's always some dead weight. Anyone who is going to be a JR and isn't projected to get significant playing time should be a candidate for attrition if we need it to free up scholarships.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I was thinking the same thing. There's not many guys on the team right now that just stick out and need to be run off.

Taking this further.....and many of you will not want to hear this.....but MSU will never, NEVER, win at recruiting. At least not at the press conference. So we have to do this another way, most likely by developing guys, redshirting them, developing more depth on the lines, etc. Yes, we still have to land some good players, obviously. But we're not going to go head to head with Alabama and get it done, at least not for the foreseeable future. It's just not what MSU is. Fortunately, we live in an area that produces alot of mid-level recruits that can be developed with the right coaches.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

there's always some dead weight.

That's what I figured. Just a blind assumption.

 

[patdog]

Not an assumption. A fact. If Bama can find 5-6 players to cut every year, there's no way in hell we don't have more than that that can be cut if we need to.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

5-6 guys that we feel 5-6 new recruits can reasonably replace? We are not exactly in Alabama's position. They get rid of guys because they can't make the 2 deep, IN ADDITION to knowing they'll have a 4 or 5 star prospect coming in to replace them.

In actuality, those guys Alabama cut, we should be welcoming them with open arms. Not the robbery guys, I'm talking about the two WRs from Mobile.

 

[Jacknut1]

I love SPS logic. UM gets an early commit = Mullen sitting on his *** and not doing anything, lol

 

[engie]

With 85 scholarships, there's always some dead weight. Anyone who is going to be a JR and isn't projected to get significant playing time should be a candidate for attrition if we need it to free up scholarships.

We had 29 scholarship jrs/seniors on our roster this year -- every single one of them was in the 2-deep. It's ridiculous to ***** in generalities without looking at the specifics...

Like I say, feel free to look through the classes and show us who should be gone. Here's the 2010 class -- which is at the point of fish or cut bait(rising rsJRs). Of the ones still on scholarship, show me 10-15 we can get rid of...

Pos	Nat'l Rank	Nat'l Rating	Name <nobr>School, Hometown</nobr>	Video	HT/ WT/ 40	Commit Date	Signed LOI?	Commit School
OT	9	<nobr> </nobr>	Damien Robinson (Olive Branch HS) Olive Branch, MS		<nobr>6-8/330</nobr>	02/03/2010		Mississippi State
OG	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Dillon Day (West Monroe HS) West Monroe, LA		<nobr>6-4/265/4.90</nobr>	02/03/2010		Mississippi State
OG	103	<nobr> </nobr>	Eric Lawson (Olive Branch HS) Olive Branch, MS		<nobr>6-7/330</nobr>	02/03/2010		Mississippi State
DE	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Paul Crawford (Hebron HS) Lewisville, TX		<nobr>6-8/230</nobr>	02/02/2010		Mississippi State
CB	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Jeremy Lee (Hinds County Agricultural HS) Utica, MS		<nobr>5-10/170</nobr>	02/02/2010		Mississippi State
OLB	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Christian Holmes (Puckett Attendance Center) Puckett, MS		<nobr>6-2/235</nobr>	01/30/2010		Mississippi State
OT	120	<nobr> </nobr>	Archie Muniz (Cypress Creek HS) Houston, TX		<nobr>6-6/260/4.80</nobr>	01/20/2010		Mississippi State
RB	85	<nobr> </nobr>	Nick Griffin (Perry Central HS) New Augusta, MS		<nobr>5-11/195</nobr>	01/16/2010		Mississippi State
DT	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	Jeffrey Howie (Itawamba) Fulton, MS		<nobr>6-4/330</nobr>	01/16/2010		Mississippi State
OLB	79	<nobr> </nobr>	Chris Hughes (W P Davidson HS) Mobile, AL		<nobr>6-0/209/4.37</nobr>	01/16/2010		Mississippi State
RB	17	<nobr> </nobr>	Matthew Wells (Lawrence County HS) Monticello, MS		<nobr>6-1/205/4.50</nobr>	01/12/2010		Mississippi State
QB	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Dylan Favre (St. Stanislaus HS) Bay St Louis, MS		<nobr>5-10/200/4.81</nobr>	01/02/2010		Mississippi State
RB	89	<nobr> </nobr>	Jay Hughes (Oak Grove Attendance Center) Hattiesburg, MS		<nobr>5-10/180</nobr>	12/15/2009		Mississippi State
WR	67	<nobr> </nobr>	Robert Johnson (Oak Grove Attendance Center) Hattiesburg, MS		<nobr>6-0/200/4.50</nobr>	12/15/2009		Mississippi State
MLB	56	<nobr> </nobr>	Corvell Harrison-Gay (Northeast Jones HS) Laurel, MS		<nobr>6-3/220</nobr>	12/14/2009		Mississippi State
DT	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	James Carmon (Mississippi Gulf Coast) Perkinston, MS		<nobr>6-7/370</nobr>	11/29/2009		Mississippi State
MLB	28	<nobr> </nobr>	Ferlando Bohanna (Whitehaven HS) Memphis, TN		<nobr>6-0/235/4.55</nobr>	11/17/2009		Mississippi State
CB	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Jamerson Love (Aberdeen HS) Aberdeen, MS		<nobr>5-10/175</nobr>	10/03/2009		Mississippi State
RB	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	Vick Ballard (Mississippi Gulf Coast) Perkinston, MS		<nobr>6-0/205</nobr>	09/29/2009		Mississippi State
DE	21	<nobr> </nobr>	Kaleb Eulls (Yazoo County HS) Yazoo City, MS		<nobr>6-4/250/4.70</nobr>	07/25/2009		Mississippi State
OT	101	<nobr> </nobr>	Blaine Clausell (Baker HS) Mobile, AL		<nobr>6-6/295</nobr>	07/24/2009		Mississippi State
WR	169	<nobr> </nobr>	Malcolm Johnson (Northridge HS) Tuscaloosa, AL		<nobr>6-2/205</nobr>	07/24/2009		Mississippi State
DT	71	<nobr> </nobr>	Curtis Virges (West Point HS) West Point, MS		<nobr>6-3/275/4.90</nobr>	07/24/2009		Mississippi State
CB	141	<nobr> </nobr>	Jameon Lewis (Tylertown HS) Tylertown, MS		<nobr>5-8/170</nobr>	06/13/2009		Mississippi State
S	50	<nobr> </nobr>	Michael Carr (West Point HS) West Point, MS		<nobr>6-1/205</nobr>	02/28/2009		Mississippi State
S	108	<nobr> </nobr>	Brandon Hill (West Lowndes HS) Columbus, MS		<nobr>6-2/202/4.60</nobr>	02/28/2008		Mississippi State

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2011 class, which we could start seeing some attrition in...

Pos	Nat'l Rank	Nat'l Rating	Name <nobr>School, Hometown</nobr>	Video	HT/ WT/ 40	Commit Date	Signed LOI?	Commit School
S	NR	<nobr> </nobr>	Taveze Calhoun (Morton HS) Morton, MS		<nobr>6-1/180</nobr>	01/30/2011		Mississippi State
RB	PG	<nobr> </nobr>	Derek Milton (Hargrave Military Academy) Chatham, VA		<nobr>5-11/205</nobr>	01/24/2011		Mississippi State
DT	43	<nobr> </nobr>	P.J. Jones (Tupelo HS) Tupelo, MS		<nobr>6-3.5/265</nobr>	01/21/2011		Mississippi State
RB	152	<nobr> </nobr>	Shaquille Perry (Walnut Attendance Center) Walnut, MS		<nobr>6-2/210</nobr>	01/19/2011		Mississippi State
OT	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	Joey Trapp (Los Angeles Harbor) Wilmington, CA		<nobr>6-5/285/4.89</nobr>	12/12/2010		Mississippi State
DE	127	<nobr> </nobr>	John Harris (Boynton Beach Community HS) Boynton Beach, FL		<nobr>6-6/220</nobr>	11/05/2010		Mississippi State
OT	147	<nobr> </nobr>	Justin Malone (Madison-Ridgeland Academy) Madison, MS		<nobr>6-6/306</nobr>	11/03/2010		Mississippi State
S	148	<nobr> </nobr>	Kendrick Market (South Panola HS) Batesville, MS		<nobr>5-9/175</nobr>	10/17/2010		Mississippi State
DE	171	<nobr> </nobr>	Preston Smith (Stephenson HS) Stone Mountain, GA		<nobr>6-5/215</nobr>	09/29/2010		Mississippi State
OLB	149	<nobr> </nobr>	Benardrick McKinney (Rosa Fort HS) Tunica, MS		<nobr>6-4/200</nobr>	09/16/2010		Mississippi State
CB	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	Darius Slay (Itawamba) Fulton, MS		<nobr>6-0/190</nobr>	07/29/2010		Mississippi State
S	9	<nobr> </nobr>	Dee Arrington (Stone HS) Wiggins, MS		<nobr>6-2/200/4.62</nobr>	07/24/2010		Mississippi State
CB	95	<nobr> </nobr>	Justin Cox (West Point HS) West Point, MS		<nobr>6-1/174/4.41</nobr>	07/24/2010		Mississippi State
QB	70	<nobr> </nobr>	Dak Prescott (Haughton HS) Haughton, LA		<nobr>6-3/225/4.70</nobr>	07/23/2010		Mississippi State
RB	79	<nobr> </nobr>	Josh Robinson (Franklinton HS) Franklinton, LA		<nobr>5-9/205/4.50</nobr>	07/23/2010		Mississippi State
WR	30	<nobr> </nobr>	Joe Morrow (Ocean Springs HS) Ocean Springs, MS		<nobr>6-4/195/4.60</nobr>	07/23/2010		Mississippi State
TE	44	<nobr> </nobr>	Daniel Knox (West Lauderdale Attendance Cen) Collinsville, MS		<nobr>6-5/251</nobr>	07/23/2010		Mississippi State
OT	35	<nobr> </nobr>	James Maiden (Wilkinson County HS) Woodville, MS		<nobr>6-4/265</nobr>	07/23/2010		Mississippi State
WR	188	<nobr> </nobr>	Devin Fosselman (Wilkinson County HS) Woodville, MS		<nobr>5-9/192</nobr>	06/20/2010		Mississippi State
TE	69	<nobr> </nobr>	Rufus Warren (Gentry HS) Indianola, MS		<nobr>6-5/238</nobr>	06/15/2010		Mississippi State
S	71	<nobr> </nobr>	Zachary Jackson (Heidelberg HS) Heidelberg, MS		<nobr>6-1/203/4.53</nobr>	02/16/2010		Mississippi State
OT	47	<nobr> </nobr>	Nick Redmond (Harrison Central HS) Gulfport, MS		<nobr>6-5/292</nobr>	09/26/2009		Mississippi State

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[NCDawg.sixpack]

Just my thoughts. We can sit around with our hands in our pockets waiting and hoping that something happens from the NCAA that will set UM back another 6 years. Or we can work as 17'n asses off to recruit like Hell. We need to be proactive now. I hate to say it, but Freeze makes me nervous. I thought he was a clown at first. He's beating our *** at the most important aspect of football. You have to have talent to win championships.

Totally agree. It appears Freeze and his staff are outworking ours.

 

[Dental Dawg]

Freeze is forcing us to step it up. Take it as a compliment dipshit.

 

[patdog]

The funny thing is, nobody on either side should really care that you got this commit. I'd never even heard of him and it's pretty apparent that he has always want to go to UM anyway from his telling his coach 2 years ago that he was going to play there.

 

[Jacknut1]

Maybe if you get down on the floor, flail your arms and legs and scream, "Whaa, whaa! I want an early commit, too!", you'll feel better. At least I'm not an insecure dipshit.

 

[patdog]

What about the sophmores? They're the ones who will be juniors in 2014, which is the season we're talking about here. Nobody's saying we need to cut any of the current juniors and seniors. It's too early now to know which ones might be candidates or not because the 2013 season hasn't played out yet. In fact, we haven't even started spring practice for the 2013 season yet. But there will be candidates for attrition.

 

[Dental Dawg]

No insecurity with me. Now move back along to your board on nafoom and discuss affliction shirts and bedazzled jeans.

 

[Jacknut1]

LOL, no black bear here. MSU alum.

 

[Dental Dawg]

Oh ****, thought I was being 17'ed with by a bear. All is well then. Move along.

 

[engie]

What about the sophmores? They're the ones who will be juniors in 2014, which is the season we're talking about here. Nobody's saying we need to cut any of the current juniors and seniors. It's too early now to know which ones might be candidates or not because the 2013 season hasn't played out yet. In fact, we haven't even started spring practice for the 2013 season yet. But there will be candidates for attrition.

I gave you both classes.... rising rsSO and rising rsJR... Feel free to show me how you'd handle the attrition -- assuming we need to lose at least 8 or so from those two classes(and alot of the dead weight listed is already gone)...

The proposition is alot more difficult than it seems when you actually try break it down. We've quietly had good attrition in our higher classes all along under this regime...and it's to the point now that you are looking at having to trim 2nd/3rd yr guys for freshmen in order to have a "full" class in 2014. It's just not going to happen to the extent that you said(20-25 guys). To even get to 20 guys, we will likely see some bad attrition...

Alabama does this because of the number of 3 year players involved with them. They are on a 3-4 yr plan, whereas we are almost unanimously on a 5-yr plan. Eventually when the roster is stocked, we are going to have to have smaller classes for this reason. Next year is VERY small because of extreme circumstances. After that, it'll level out at 20ish players/yr imo...

 

[GutshotStr8]

We've got a mother17in 6th grader committed.How much earlier do we need t start?

Nobody's freaking me out about anything. I'm one of the ones who was saying all though this recruiting season that we need to quit worrying about UM's recruiting class and focus on ours, which was also a very good class. But to say that since we've never started taking many commitments until the summer is pretty stupid. It's pretty clear that other schools (not just UM) are moving the recruiting process up and pressuring kids to commit earlier and earlier. If we just sit back and wait till summer because that's what we've always done, we're screwed.

Maybe he's older, but I don't think he was in high school when we started. Mullen is doing an awesome job recruiting. He got the guys he wanted this year and has a bunch of kick *** players that were redshirted last year to play this year that are better than anything the bears got.

Quit looking to the bears as your measuring stick. They are the historically worst team in the conference, or close to it, with no tradition and no real ability to win. If you guys keep comparing our school to them, then we will start to fall to their level of failure.

 

[kired]

I can think of a few that need to go. Nowhere to the extent that it would open up a ton of more scholarships. But I can identify at least 3. Not going to list names... but I can think of at one offensive lineman and one defensive lineman that have seen basically no playing time.

But I said this was going to happen a few months ago --- people would start complaining about recruiting because our signing class will be so small in 2014. The next 11 months are going to be miserable for the guys that base their happiness on recruiting.

 

[woozman]

Pretty telling that as soon as the commitment was posted on the Spirit, one of the first posts was - "when will he get a profile, I can't find any info on him".

 

[rabiddawg]

Sounds like someone we would never have offered. But you know how @hottytalty is going to paint it.....

 

[azdawg]

Very outdated list you have there