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Hanmudog

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At least we can count on our basketball team to win every year to some degree. Maybe not always as much as we would like but we are always in the top half of the SEC. Football and baseball lately are goshdamn depressing at MSU.
Whether you like Stans or not has has at least put MSU in a position where a 24-12 season that ends in the second round of the NIT is considered a terrible season..
 
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At least we can count on our basketball team to win every year to some degree. Maybe not always as much as we would like but we are always in the top half of the SEC. Football and baseball lately are goshdamn depressing at MSU.
Whether you like Stans or not has has at least put MSU in a position where a 24-12 season that ends in the second round of the NIT is considered a terrible season..
 
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dont have the luxury of playing in a weak conference

Having to win the SEC Tourney almost every year to get into the NCAA Tourney is not really winning...I mean damn, we play 10 basketball games a season we couldnt lose if we tried...that leaves 20 other games for us to go 10-10 in to get to 20 wins so all of you sheep can rejoice about another 20 win season...

Even Memphis realized that playing in a weak conference means you need to upgrade your schedule...
 
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Basketball is the only sport we even EXPECT to win at anymore. Hopefully things will change soon in the other sports. I could give a **** what you think winning is defined as. I call winning having a bigger number in the left column. Do you think those other SEC teams whose *** we kick almost every year are not trying to win?
I find it damn hilarious you people that talk about "not settling for mediocrity" at MSU when we are finishing last almost annually in most sports. Don't get me wrong, I think Stansbury did an awful job this year and needs to feel some heat on his *** to get him to perform better but sometimes a little perspective is needed.
 
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I dont think we would be winning west titles every other year
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But it isn't and we win at it. All I am saying is if it wasn't for basketball at MSU then we would be hands down the worst athletic program in the SEC. Hell we may be anyway.
 
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if SEC basketball was like football or baseball Stansbury would be getting his *** beat just like the other guys. He is 0-20 vs the top 25 RPI the last 5 years during the regular season- do you realize how many top 25 teams we play in football and baseball each year?


Being consistently average may be ok for some people and you, but not for me. I can handle whats going on in football and baseball right now because I see coaches that are good and working to build a program. They are going to have success.

Football? We are the national game on ESPN. We are competing with the top 10-15 teams in the nation, even in a rebuilding year. We have an offense that is giving people fits, even with limited talent. We are progressing

Baseball? Digging out of Polk's hole. Bringing in highly-rated recruiting classes. It's going to come.

Basketball? Bringing in players, playing an OOC schedule of weak no-name teams to build up wins, being the best of the worst in the West, and having to win the SEC Tourney to make postseason.

Just hard to get excited about that
 
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But you are talking about "ifs". The SEC is not as strong in basketballbut we are one of the better teams in it. Football and baseballhopefully will get better one day but there is no guarantee. I am just saying that right now basketball is the only sport that we expect post season play and get pissed when it does not happen, which is justifiable. Is it so damn hard for you to admit that whether you like Stansbury or not he has built our program into one where we expect to win unlike the other programs on campus right now?
 
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our basketbal SOS was about 80 before the SEC Tourney...do yoy not think Cohen and crew couldnt have done that and won 7-9 more games this season? But does that really make them any better as a baseball team because they beat some ****** teams? Cohen is here to win a title- not to just keep his job...

that's why I respect Cohen much more
 
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KY is going to punch its ticket today and TN has an excellent shot at M State tomorrow. KY had more difficulty getting W's in the SEC than it has in the tourney. The awesome Big East will have noone in the tourney after KY gets through with WV. Having two teams in the Elite 8 or possibly the Final Four speaks well for any conference....even one as weak as the SEC.
 
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<div style="text-align: left;">for a winner every year.</div><div style="text-align: left;">
</div><div style="text-align: left;">I would love to have the clean sweep and suck at everything.</div>
 
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jbulldog said:
KY is going to punch its ticket today and TN has an excellent shot at M State tomorrow. KY had more difficulty getting W's in the SEC than it has in the tourney. The awesome Big East will have noone in the tourney after KY gets through with WV. Having two teams in the Elite 8 or possibly the Final Four speaks well for any conference....even one as weak as the SEC.
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Good call buddy. You really nailed it.
 
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SE Louisiana has lost only 2 games this season- both in extra innings...

There are 8 SEC baseball teams ranked in the top 28...count them- 8...you can finish 9th in SEC baseball, miss the SEC Tourney, and STILL MAKE the NCAA Tourney

An SEC West title doesnt even get you in the field of 64 in college basketball...thats how big of a difference it is

Like High School vs Little League
 
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Going to the NIT sure as hell isn't losing,... that's what we're doing in everything else.

Like I've said over and over, we had a winning conference record and had to have a miracle happen NOT to win the SEC tourney. If we had a winning conference record in the 4th, 5th, or 6th best conference in football, we'd be in a bowl. While it's not a great year, or a good year, it was slightly above average if you don't take expectations into account. But it's sure as hell a lot better than we've been doing in ANYTHING else in the recent past.

Making the NCAA's is 10x harder than making a bowl or making a regional in baseball, and we've done that 2 of the last 3 years and were probably the first team out this year
 
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Coach34 said:
our basketbal SOS was about 80 before the SEC Tourney...do yoy not think Cohen and crew couldnt have done that and won 7-9 more games this season? But does that really make them any better as a baseball team because they beat some ****** teams? Cohen is here to win a title- not to just keep his job...

that's why I respect Cohen much more
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I likeCohen alot and realize that Polk did not leave him jacksquat but early returns are not exactly encouraging. I ain't buying into anything a new coach is selling until I see it translate on the field or court. I see a **** ton of errors and strike outs right now and the thought of winning titles seems like a pipe dream when we are the worst team in the SEC.
I think Mullen will make us a winner but again until it happens it is just words. We relied mighty heavy on Dixon last season and it will be interesting to see if we will be improved.
What I am getting at is that instead of getting all jacked up over potential that may or may not ever pay off, I choose to enjoy the only sport we can count on winning at rather than bitching relentlessly about it in hopes that we can fire the coach and risk becoming the absolute worst damn athletic program in the SEC.
 
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we get it. Please, please, find some other cause than getting Stans fired, put your energy towards getting the healthcare bill repealed, or something that matters. Stans is the best coach we have on campus, the only consistent winner of any sport we have, and it's been that way for years. Yes the SEC is weak when it comes to basketball, but we aren't changing conferences any time soon, so we have to accept the competition we are dealt. Who do you think we could draw here if were to get rid of Stans? Coach K? Roy Williams? Tom Izzo? Thad Motta? Who can we get that's better than Stans? You throw out numbers, throw out suggestions instead. Who has a better winning percentage than Stans in an equivalent conferencethat we could get here for $1.2 mil or less? Bama is paying Grant $2 mil, and we beat them consistently, we aren't going to pay a basketball coach that much money if we don't pay our football coach that much. Please enlighten us.
 
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to me, the NIT is like going 5-7 and no bowl game

So, in basketball, the last 5 years- 3 years with no bowl game, one 6-6 year Independence Bowl when we won the SEC Tourney, and one Liberty Bowl as an 8 seed...

I agree that is better than what we are getting out of the other sports currently- but it still isn't awesome by any means
 
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I also never said that I was content with it. I think Stansbury needs to do a much, much better job next year. However this "I won't settle for mediocrity" **** I read on here all the time is freaking absurd coming from MSU fans. Hell mediocrity would be a step up in most of our sports.
I will shut up now. Just frustrated at the prospect of having to endure this baseball season.
 
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..of "Sixpackcare."

we get it. Please, please, [coach34] find some other cause than getting Stans fired, put your energy towards getting the healthcare bill repealed, or something that matters.
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...One thing is clear: coach34's ignorance & obnoxiousness is defintely a pre-existing condition..
 
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Coach needs multiple doses daily. He is the epitomy of obsessive compulsive behavior and is too screwed up to see it. I find it comical any of us continue to debate the fool as he has about 4 or 5 people who agree with him and the rest want to win in everything but are not about to fire the only successful coach we have on campus for the past decade. All his stats don't mean jack schit, just like Vitale and all the experts picking Kentucky to win it all. Calipari will be at kentucky next year and will buy 3 or 4 more All Americans but we will still hear about how great he is and how bad our coach is. Same song, different verse. Take your meds coach, and give us a break.
 
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hired the most successful coaches in their school's 100 year basketball history, and neither had a "better winning percentage than Stans in an equivalent conference"
 
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46% of the people here said Bury should be gone if we don't make the NCAA's next year- that's not "4 or 5 people"
 
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there are 200 teams in NCAA basketball that have no chance to be in the NCAA Tourney because they are in a 1-bid league...that leaves 130 basketball teams that are decent...

Stony Brook, Belmont, Duquense, Mississippi Valley, Hofstra- teams like that really dont have a legitimate chance that the bigger conference teams have- quit acting like they do
 
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68 teams made a bowl this year, over half of DI teams. Being the 1st or 2nd team left out of the NCAA's isn't "like" missing a bowl, it probably puts you in a decent one. Three teams from the freaking Big East made a bowl w/ a LOSING conference record (and one of them kicked South Carolina's *** by the way, so 3 through 12 the SEC isn't as good as we like to think it is in football either)

And discounting all these conferences is what's total ********, b/c there are a good amount of teams you can count out in football too. There are only around 4-5 conferences that put a team in the Dance that aren't competitive. Tons more conferences produce good teams that can knock of top tier teams in basketball than football, making basketball a lot harder sport to win in. (See Northern Iowa, Butler, Xavier, Cornell, St Mary's, you get the idea) Our budget alone should dictate that we never lose to a C-USA team in football, and our baseball stadium, atmosphere, and tradition should be enough to get us a 2 seed in a regional 4 of every 5 years.
I don't even think the above teams even have DI football teams, but they're in the Sweet 16 in basketball, and different schools like them are every year. There is absolutely no comparison in the number of teams that can compete at the top in football and baseball compared to basketball
 
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Again, who are we going to get to come here and stay here, when we are going to start new coach out at $500 K a year? </p>
 
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goshdawgit said:
Again, who are we going to get to come here and stay here, when we are going to start new coach out at $500 K a year? </p>
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make under 1 million again...500K? Either you are an idiot or just joking

Donovan wasnt paid 3.5 when he started in 1999...same **** as in football- "who we could get to come here??? We just lil ol Mize State" Some of you idiots need to realize it's no longer 1988

Those two schools happened to make the correct hire. Acting like they are the only ones that could possibly do it is just stupid
 
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