Yes,I have been critical previously but USC and ND fell through this year through no fault of Rutgers. There will be a big-time neutral site game this season which will make all of us happy and it might be local.
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How is it “no fault of RU” ?
there are so many local premier holiday tournaments. How did we not get into one ? How have we not participated in one in many years ?!
yes maybe these one off scheduling come and go but this on our program to get games and elevate the program.
there are so many local premier holiday tournaments. How did we not get into one ? How have we not participated in one in many years ?!
yes maybe these one off scheduling come and go but this on our program to get games and elevate the program.
If we thought that USC and ND we're locked up, it would make sense that we weren't pursuing still further ooc opportunities. When those fell through, I'm guessing most other people already had dates to the prom.
You keep telling us this and then nothing happens, I'm not sure the point of these blanket statements, just tell us who and where, otherwise there is no need to post.
There are 330 teams in division 1?
Local and Big time = Nova or Uconn.
Thats about it.
Unless the game is just local - Then its probably Houston at MSG
Yes - that’s why I said we dang well better be jumping in line to try to replace Belmont.
You afraid they're horning in on SHU's territory?
Houston is definitely in play locally. Rutgers is not playing Nova or UConn unless it is part of Big East Challenge. They are working hard on a much larger game and I can't be certain about the precise opponent but it won't be local but would be televised most likely on a major network.
Our entire fanbase it seems is obsessed by the schedule. If we had the schedule that most want there is no way we make the NCAA tournament last year. Go do wordle or watch the NBA, don't worry about our schedule. The 20 B1G games will be plenty hard.
If you look at the conference rankings, the Big East has been 4th through 6th in the last couple of seasons. A Big East team just doesn't have the in league opportunities for quality wins like the Big 12 or B1G. If you don't have as many "at-bats", you have to make up for it, with your OOC slate. It's not overly complicated.
I'll spitball Rutgers vs Kentucky in Brooklyn?
SHU was selected (thus didn’t schedule ) for each of those games because it is viewed as a quality opponent. This perspective was validated when the Pirates beat Texas and Michigan.
Right, my frustration is that Rutgers is not also getting those matchups scheduled and that the Big East and Big 12 put effort into creating new, interesting matchups whereas the Big 10 and ACC seem to do the same rotations year after year. We've played Miami twice, Clemson twice, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest, etc. Our game against Florida State is the only time we've played a top-40 KenPom ACC team. And I know Rutgers has been bad up until the last seasons but still. Mix it up a little.
Just guessing.....it costs SHU to use the Prudential Center. We don't have those costs. Not having home games hurts us more than Seton Hall.
Sounds like his issue is more with opponents than location. A big part of the issue for RU is that they're competing against more "brand" schools in the B1G for the top challenge opponents. It's about the big TV match-ups and reality is that regardless of how good anyone is, OSU, the Michigan schools, etc., are gonna draw more more eyeballs against Duke or Villanova than RU will. The only Big East brands guaranteed to out draw SHU regardless of talent are UConn and Villanova, which leaves the Pirates in a solid place in the match-up pecking order.
The other piece is what games the coaches want. I don't really know how much say they have, but Willard (in recent years) and Pikiell have had vastly different scheduling philosophies and rumor has it Rutgers was supposed to play at Marquette last year but didn't want it and went to DePaul instead.
Everything RU 72 has posted has been corroborated to me. In fact there was another big time opponent at a neutral site that was in discussion which did not materialize and probably for the best.
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I’ll believe it when I see it. Like it or not, there is enough of a sample size to see that Pike is playing the type of schedule he wants…and he’d rather not challenge the team early. Year after year, our OOC schedule sucks. It is what it is. So far, he’s had 3 consecutive NCAA tournament caliber teams, so you can’t argue with the strategy yet.
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Are the people who want a tough schedule going to cry when we go 16-15 and not make the tournament when a more reasonable schedule with the same team gets 19-12 and in the tourney?
Are some of these the same people that thought we were playing the wrong players in the beginning of last season?
Are some of these the same people that thought we were playing the wrong players in the beginning of last season?
Nobody wants a “tough” schedule but would you honestly consider the addition of a pair of neutral games against Howard and George Mason for the right to maybe (if we win both of those) play a neutral game against BC or Wyoming a “tough” schedule?
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November 10 season started last year
December 3 we played Illinois
December 9 we played Purdue
In most years with most teams it just isn’t logical to have a difficult OOC. You need to be able to play new faces and old faces in different roles in games. You need to see what rotations work and don’t work.
Given that we have Gavitt games and ACC challenge and SHU that is plenty.
December 3 we played Illinois
December 9 we played Purdue
In most years with most teams it just isn’t logical to have a difficult OOC. You need to be able to play new faces and old faces in different roles in games. You need to see what rotations work and don’t work.
Given that we have Gavitt games and ACC challenge and SHU that is plenty.
For what reason? We were planning on one more against USC so a potential game against BC or Wyoming would be easier. Playing a neutral game against Howard is not making the schedule harder. We have no business losing that game - no matter what. If your thinking revenue - I imagine we lose money on those early match ups against CC types that we pay to come play us.
Why are you counting on the same scenario of great wins in the Big 10..normally teams dont lose to bad big 10 schools and make up for it by beating the best
9-2
10-10
that is my more realistic scenario (not necessarily this year or last)
For 19-13 not to get us in we would need us to just pick off all the dregs in B1G and to have our OOC rate really bad and for the B1G to be down.
I get where you guys are coming from. I am just in the other camp. I also realize every season is different and what schedule works for 1 RU team may not work for another.
I think, as a guess, next years team will be like the last where Pike isn’t sure what rotations will work and not work. We have a freshman point guard and we have a 2 guard that has never played in a major conference. We have no idea of what to expect out of the 4 position.
plus as a fan…..my experience may be different than others….I enjoy early season games that I know (at least think I know) RU will win. It is fun seeing new faces.
I think, as a guess, next years team will be like the last where Pike isn’t sure what rotations will work and not work. We have a freshman point guard and we have a 2 guard that has never played in a major conference. We have no idea of what to expect out of the 4 position.
plus as a fan…..my experience may be different than others….I enjoy early season games that I know (at least think I know) RU will win. It is fun seeing new faces.
You realize we were 12-8 this year and not 10-10, right? So let’s say instead of beating Wisconsin and Illinois, we instead beat Lafayette and UMass.
Now swap out 4 of the buzzer beater toss ups we went 50/50 in. Instead of losing heartbreakers to NW and Minny - make those wins but the Purdue and OSU games go the other way - those are losses. Now also imagine we don’t bomb the Maryland home game, but fail to complete the comeback at Indiana.
With only home wins over Michigan State and Iowa over the field - that would not have been good enough. We wouldn’t even be close. Also keep in mind - Iowa was a 2 point win at home. We also had a home win over PSU by 1, a 2 point win at Nebraska and an over time win over Lehigh.
The point is we got extremely lucky with who we happened to play well against on a few given days vs. games we underperformed. We can’t count on that every year.
W AT UMASS
W Lafayette
L Purdue
L Ohio State
not sure if we would be out last year. If i were on the committee it wouldnt impact our position. Last I checked I wasnt on the committee.
W Lafayette
L Purdue
L Ohio State
not sure if we would be out last year. If i were on the committee it wouldnt impact our position. Last I checked I wasnt on the committee.
I will say it again......the reason and only reason we weren't seeded higher, wasn't because of the losses to Lafayette and UMass, it was also the low margin of wins in the other wins, where RU was a significant favorite.
There is nothing wrong with the schedule. I saw the same things mentioned with Schiano in the old Big East, but that was different because the old BE, didn't have the respect or marketing around those opponents. Teams like Cincinnati, West Virginia and even UConn just didn't have the respect or tradition like other leagues.
In Pike's case, the B1G carries enough of a resume year after year, that is enough of a schedule to not worry about it. If someone can show me consistent teams making the NCAAS with 14, 15 and 16 losses or having a .500 record or 1 or 2 games over. 500, then we can change the schedule in the OOC.
We know the NET was huge weight in scoring margin. Not sure how much the NET was used with the committee. @bac2therac would be the guy.
If NET is a factor then if we want to maximize our probabilities of the NCAA our schedule isn't the issue. The issue isn't beating Merrimack and Lehigh by 30.
If NET is a factor then if we want to maximize our probabilities of the NCAA our schedule isn't the issue. The issue isn't beating Merrimack and Lehigh by 30.
It is already stupid enough with all the quality teams that are in the area that college athletes need to get in an airplane 10+ times per year.