Schlarman extended through 2018
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The play of the OL has been poor since he was hired. He's one of the coaches that I'm surprised has survived BUT he did get Drake Jackson and Landon Young. If he gets Jedrick Wills.... A big extension awaits.
I thought he and Brumbaugh should've been the first coaches fired in the off season. Line play has been awful on both sides but at least Schlarman recruits fairly well. Brumbaugh has done neither.
probably just a coincidence that Schlarman is Wills possible future UK position coach & current personal recruiting coach.....uh huh
[winking]
I disagree on Brumbaugh.
He recruited Denzil Ware (Our best pass rusher) and Za'darius Smith.
Edit: AND Jason Hatcher but he's no longer on the team because dumb life choices.
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What are you getting too?
Yes, the OL play has been poor but it's mainly what he's been handed. He's getting talented guys who will boost the OL play up several notches.
1. If it's about Willis...then let Willis commit to UK and then we'll keep Schlarman around.
2. Schlarman's group has been hot garbage in pass protection for all 3 years under Stoops for the most part. A bit improved in run game but not exactly a great running team.
Again..this has been a theme with Stoops and Barnhardt. We throw money around unnecessarily. Nobody is beating down the door to get Schlarman and if we crap the bed on offense another year...we're stuck paying him even if we want to go another direction. (same story as Stoops extension 2 years ago).
But it aint' my money..so Mitch can do what he wants.
2. Schlarman's group has been hot garbage in pass protection for all 3 years under Stoops for the most part. A bit improved in run game but not exactly a great running team.
Again..this has been a theme with Stoops and Barnhardt. We throw money around unnecessarily. Nobody is beating down the door to get Schlarman and if we crap the bed on offense another year...we're stuck paying him even if we want to go another direction. (same story as Stoops extension 2 years ago).
But it aint' my money..so Mitch can do what he wants.
I think it's probably up to Stoops and Gran... But what do I know? The weird part is that through all the staff changes, Schlarman has survived THREE different coordinators.
He was not the coach who got Hatcher it was Eliot. Zadarius just followed him here from Juco. Never really improved any and when he got the nfl the Steelers committed on how he was just a raw athlete.
Was still raw in college. I've talked to some lineman going up against Bud in college that even said to me he was a freak athlete but raw. Every one said he was the 2nd best guy they went up against on athletic ability.
forgot this as well https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/127836
he was just a side man in his recruitment.
Schlarman and Brumbraugh are both good coaches. They started with very little SEC talent and the OL suffered with a terrible position coach last year. UK has signed some very good talent since Schlarman arrived. It always amazes me that some UK fans think fixing the OL is like Cal bringing in guys who are dominating players in 3 months. Football line play is not like that. It takes maturity, skill and numbers. UK is just getting a full compliment of decent SEC level football players. Why do you think UK is recruiting like this? Do you think the recruits don't know a good coach? Do you think you know more about OL coaching and play than they do? Stoops?
Ah, the world in which we live is painted with instant gratification. If an individual fails to achieve NOW, fire he or she and bring in the next "savior" who will make us champions.
No and I'm sure Schlarman could coach circles around me but I don't get paid to coach the OL, he does. And from everything I've seen the last three years he's not a good coach. Our tackles never know where the pressure is coming from and we have several penalties every game just on the OL. That is coaching or lack there of.
1) Or u give Schlarman the extension and raise now to give Willis the signal that his primary recruiter will be here when he gets to campus.
And that's what they did....
Of the OL that have graduated so far, under Schlarman, how many have been really talented? Darrian Miller was ok (athletic but not strong enough). Swindle was ok (hard worker but not athletic enough). Zach West was ok (had injury issues, was passed up on depth chart). Teven Eatmon-Nared didn't play much. Kevin Mitchell played just one year with Schlarman but was just alright. So, he's suppose to put out an SEC OL with young players who need to develop and older, mediocre players? Sure, no problem.
You haven't seen much then, like the talent & quantity level - lack there of. Here's who Joker recruited his last three years: 2012 - Swindle, Toth, Watson, Myers; 2011 - West, Miller, Elliott; 2010 - Eatmon. Net, less than 3/yr, one quite talented, three OK. So Schlarman's left with trying to play younger guys not mature physically or mentally. Then he loses guys to injury & homesickness/whatever.
Good post. I don't understand what some of these people expect. Did they even watch the games? Swindle knew exactly who to block but could not for the life of him step out fast enough to lock up the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that were running right around him. That's exactly why he got so many false start penalties because he was trying to anticipate the count and get out there before Dante Fowler could blow past him to sack Towles again. Not to mention that two of his highest rated tackles that were recruited gave up football. How can Schlarman be fairly judged until he has had long enough to develop the players he recruited? Especially when he came in to a group that was never going to be athletic enough to play at this level?
I know that Brooks OL never had a 4 star start for him that I can remember but most of his OL were solidly coached by Heggins. In fact I remember converted TEs like Eric Scott and Zipp Duncan turning into solid players. To hear all the excuse makers on this board you would say what do you expect Schlarman to do with two converted TEs?
exactly....some people on here are playing checkers when they must realize the game that needs to be played is 3D chess. think I've seen some reports that Wills might decide within the next month prior to his HS season kicking off. the timing of this decision ain't an accident IMO.
How many times was he moved to another position? OLB, DE, WR, TE? Is that all? In four years? Hell, he'd get moved just as he started learning how to play a certain position. You'd be raw as well.
I prefer Chinese Checkers... But Wills committing would be huge. Looking a few moves ahead, it's easy to see us attracting some attention from big QB and RB prospects. Lots of protection, lots of holes to run through when GAA, Jackson, Young and Wills get older.
Well heck give me five 5 star lineman and I'll succeed.
Isn't a good coach supposed to coach guys up?
Remember thinking Eric Scott would play very little if at all for THE CATS! Thought Zipp Duncan was far to mentally reckless to be counted on! When they were seniors I wouldn't trade them for any other lineman in The SEC. Both were hard workers and well coached!
John Schlarman was a pleasure to watch play during his UK days. All-tho undersized John was smart, good technician, and a tireless worker.
Just have a gut feeling this season will be Coach Stoop best o. line! If so,big credit goes to Coach Schlarman!
I think Schlarman and Brumbaugh are both good coaches. They were given some of the worst position groups to work with. Yes our OTs have struggled but the inside of the oline is very solid and there is potential at tackles moving forward. Brumbaugh has put multiple guys in the NFL. He has been good at finding JUCO guys who can come in and help. We still need to see improvement from the dline but again i think we are heading in the right direction. Schlarman provides an extra bonus as he is an excellent in state recruiter. Other than Harris we have landed pretty much every in state recruit we have wanted.
Are you serious clark? There are a lot of athletes in this conference but you don't have the production Bud had unless you are also well coached. Bud would not have sniffed the first round before this staff was hired. He probably would've maxed out at the 3rd round if that. Excuse me for calling BS on your "linemen that said he was raw". Just because a kid is a freak doesn't mean he has no skill or that he got by completely on his athletic ability.
Za'Darius is a freak that came in raw because he hadn't been playing football for very long. Z definitely became more technically sound in his 2 years under Brumbaugh. CJ Johnson made a huge leap in year two under Brumbaugh. Elam improved down the stretch last season. Brumbaugh has had a lot of decommits at his position, an academic casualty, another of his most promising recruits kicked out of school. His best dlineman (a JUCO 2 star that he developed in a preseason all SEC player) breaks his leg. Meant and Dubose have been hampered with injuries since stepping on campus. The guys that stayed healthy have mostly gotten better. Even though Brumbaugh isn't recognized for his recruiting prowess he has signed Za'Darius, CJ Johnson, Miggins, and now Hoskins who all had multiple SEC offers
1. Instant gratification? Schlarman has been here 3 years and almost entire board would agree the production for the OL hasn't been very good (whether it is coaching vs. talent is a fair debate).
2. Would it have been such a bad idea to see how year 4 turns out and/or Wills ink with UK before handing out more $$$?
As far as talent vs. teaching is the age old question for UK fans...granted talent inherited wasn't great..
- Darian Miller is playing in NFL today...so he must have some ability? Why was he not a standout in his last 2 years at UK?
- I watched Jon Heggins take kids like Eric Scott, Zipp Duncan, Jason Leger who were not even recruited as OL and make them into solid SEC players. And those OL units that protected Woodson, Little, Cobb, Stevie Johnson, Tamme, etc.. were pretty good groups...and hardly any kids were 4/5 star kids. All were basically built up units with kids that weren't offered by many other SEC/ACC/Big10 schools. I've watched Schlarman's unit for 3 years rack up some very bad showings. Is it out of left field to expect your OL coach in 3 years to "coach up" a kid like Zach West better, LaRubbio had some good offers, Kyle Meadows was offered by Oklahoma, etc.. I could almost say the same job that Guy Morris did as OL coach before moving to the head coach spot.
It's been done before at UK but in 3 years Schlarman doesn't look like former OL coaches...but we're crazy to roll your eyes at year another senseless extension for UK football?
The Oline play in Brooks' first 3 years was awful and everyone wanted him fired. You're comparing his units in years 4-6 to Schlarman's in years 1-3. See how that isn't completely fair to Schlarman?
It's also tough for a kid like Darrian Miller to have a great year when he's lining up next to freshmen that are all out of sync and there's no depth to get him a breather or help keep him healthy over the course of the season
Also Za'Darious had a very impressive rookie season with the Ravens. In one game I watched him get back-to-back sacks on two consecutive plays. A feat that many career NFL D-linemen never achieve.
If he didn't get quality coaching in college it's hard to figure out how he got so good all of a sudden.
Za'Darius was a standout all week in the practices leading up to and in the senior bowl as well. He did that before the NFL coaching had a chance to leave its mark on him. Brumbaugh was the only coach to have coached him in college and he barely played HS football. I think he was a basketball player early on in HSAlso Za'Darious had a very impressive rookie season with the Ravens. In one game I watched him get back-to-back sacks on two consecutive plays. A feat that many career NFL D-linemen never achieve.
If he didn't get quality coaching in college it's hard to figure out how he got so good all of a sudden.
Brooks fired his OC and OL coach after those years and things turned around almost immediately the next 2 years after Joker/Heggins/Sanders assumed roles on offensive side of ball.
I'm not saying Stoops should fire Schlarman...but he for sure doesn't merit an extension for pete sake.
This makes your argument even worse
Yep, since recruiting is what's the most important thing at the end of the day. Not actual results or player development or wins and losses
He hasn't had any yet.
But he very well could be responsible for us having TWO in the near future, holding my breath. And with those two added to the other four star OL we already have then yes, we should expect a LOT from that OL------and I think we will get a lot.
Including some more talented HIGHLY skilled position players that will want to play behind them. And, smart or not, a lot of those higher ranked players will commit whether or not the TWO five stars and THREE four stars we might have starting in 17 are very good or not------but I don't have too many worries about that, more worried about getting the next FIVE STAR.
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If you can bring in TWO five star players at ANY coaching position then I will be fully behind you in landing that position, I don't care what your qualifications are. Then you also have to realize he has already (helped at the least) bring in two other four stars we expect a lot from, not to mention coaching up the TWO STAR that is a Remington Candidate.
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