Scientist says he found definitive proof that God exists.

bornaneer

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Interesting thread we have here....May I remind many of you that we have many,many religions other than Christianity. I am amazed at the very narrow view that many of my friends here have about the role religion has played for the billions of people since the beginning of life on this earth. One could even view atheism as a religion.
 

dave

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Genesis 1:1-2:3 is a poem of the first seven days. It is a broad overview of creation. Chapter 2:4 begins the narrative of the relationship between God and humanity. The style, language, and purpose of chapter 1 is different than chapter 2. Chapter 1 presents God in His transcendency decreeing each element of creation, recorded in a memorable form. Chapter 2 presents God as imminent and intimate with His creation. Chapter one talks about what Elohim did. This is the general name for God, morphologically related to Allah, and akin to saying "man". Chapter two introduces God as Yahweh Elohim. This is God's personal name. It means (in answer to your question) "I am". It's like saying, "You were created, but I just am." So, the differences in one and two have to do with style, language, and intent.

But going back to the name of God for a minute, the Hebrew language has no vowels. It's a completely consonantal language. The name Yahweh is actually just four letters: YHWH. The oldest copy of this name we have was found by Gabriel Barkay at the Temple Mount dig. It's a small silver scroll which dates back to 600BC. It's a copy of the priestly blessing found in Numbers 6 ("May YWHW bless you and keep you...") so we have that from at least 600 years before Christ.

As language developed it began as completely pictorial. A picture of an ox represented an ox. A picture of a camel represented a camel. Over time these pictures became codified so that the picture of the ox was drawn the same way every time. As more time passed the pictures became letters representing sounds, but the letters kept the meaning they originally had.

For instance, the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet is alef, meaning ox. Then comes beth (house), gimel (camel), dalet (door), and so on.

So the intimate name of God is YHWH. In the minds of ancient Hebrews the letters that were used to make up a word had significance. So let's look at the letters the make up God's personal name. Y is yod. Yod means hand. Next is H. H is he (pronounced "hey"), which originally meant window. Over time the word meaning changed to Behold!, like an exclamation. It's not to hard to see the correlation between window and Behold!, and still we use H that same way ("Hey! Come here!"). So Y is hand, and H is Behold! But what about W? W means nail. When we read the ancient name of God the way the ancients would have you get "Behold the hand! Behold the nail!"
That was great. Thanks. I love that stuff
 

old buzzard

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Saying that all our questions will be answered at the end is a form of assuming you know the answer. If after you die nothing happens and you're just dead then you'll never know it because you'll be dead.

I don't pretend to have the answer......and the nice thing about science is that we can change it at our will and whim. Kind of like history. All I know is that if I live my life the way I was taught to live it by my church leaders, then I will have nothing to worry about once I'm gone and no one will regret having known me. And what they taught ain't a bad way to spend our days while we're on the right side of the grass. Once we are pushing up daisies, who knows?
 

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I don't pretend to have the answer......and the nice thing about science is that we can change it at our will and whim. All I know is that if I live my life the way I was taught to live it by my church leaders, then I
Did the old buzzard kick the bucket mid-thought?
 

bornaneer

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I don't pretend to have the answer......and the nice thing about science is that we can change it at our will and whim. Kind of like history. All I know is that if I live my life the way I was taught to live it by my church leaders, then I will have nothing to worry about once I'm gone and no one will regret having known me. And what they taught ain't a bad way to spend our days while we're on the right side of the grass. Once we are pushing up daisies, who knows?

You just gave a good example of what I posted......Thanks
 

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Ah yes ... God created everything, but nothing is his responsibility, but yet somehow everything is his responsibility and he will answer prayers.

And people wonder why I'm atheist.

He doesn't answer all prayers. Most prayers by the created bounce straight off the ceiling. It isn't about us.
 
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TarHeelEer

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Yes, it's relative ... unless you can explicitly state what God's standard is ... which you can't. You can only point to what men a couple thousand years ago said it was.

I can explicitly tell you what God's standard is. Absolutely no sin.
 

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Cajun, with respect to why you think most former Christians left the fold, I think you need a larger sample size. I heard an overarching story that sounded too good to be true. I guess I went in the direction of some other things I learned in my youth, including, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't."
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Cajun, with respect to why you think most former Christians left the fold, I think you need a larger sample size. I heard an overarching story that sounded too good to be true. I guess I went in the direction of some other things I learned in my youth, including, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't."
I went with "impossible ignorant **** people believed 2000 years ago to explain things they didn't understand" for a $1000 Alex.

With that said, I do think there is something bigger than us, I just have no idea what it is and I don't think we even begun to scratch the surface of understanding it. I think a lot of people have a void they need to fill and will fill it with whatever they can to provide them an explanation and comfort. I'm not the least bit afraid of the unknown and am looking forward to finding out what comes next when it comes. Until then, I'm too busy with enjoying this journey to concern myself with the next one.
 

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Cajun, with respect to why you think most former Christians left the fold, I think you need a larger sample size. I heard an overarching story that sounded too good to be true. I guess I went in the direction of some other things I learned in my youth, including, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't."
Actually I didn't say why I think most former Christians left the fold. I said of those I know they all said the same thing. I thought of a sixth and a seventh person later who spoke to me about their departures from Christianity. We had this conversation, oddly enough, in Jerusalem.