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SCOTUS Rules You Can Refuse Service to Same-Sex Couples
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DU has excellent back and forth. Go there. You'll definitely confirm your suspicions that this has been a bad week.
Completely agree and if that business turns away a gay couple they are very likely going to piss off some people who patronize their business and pickup some really negative publicity which will hurt them in the long run.
Their body, their choice no different than their business, their choice.
I concur. Let’s apply the same logic…
Why should a team of 35 biological women be forced to feel uncomfortable dressing in the same locker room as 1 transgender woman?
https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/teamm...ker-room-with-trans-upenn-swimmer-lia-thomas/
She added, “It’s really upsetting because Lia doesn’t seem to care how it makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one.”
“The school was so focused on making sure Lia was okay, and doing everything they possibly could do for her, that they didn’t even think about the rest of us,”
Again, if you’re a business that doesn’t want to build a website or cake or whatever service, you don’t say we’re not doing that because you’re gray or black, just say man we’re backed up for 6 months right now, if you can wait (they won’t) we’d be happy to.
We used to do it in the bars in Key West all the time. When loudass annoying Miami idiots would come down we’d just say sorry man seems like you’ve had a few already, be happy to grab you a water though. Not discriminatory at all just doing your job.
We used to do it in the bars in Key West all the time. When loudass annoying Miami idiots would come down we’d just say sorry man seems like you’ve had a few already, be happy to grab you a water though. Not discriminatory at all just doing your job.
Maybe those couples can choose from the other half-dozen cake shops in their communities?
Any business should have the right to refuse service to a customer for any reason. SCOTUS overstepped decades ago when it forced businesses to serve customers that they didn't want to serve.
Economically, it's suicide for business owners to play that game of selective service; but in a free market, let them play it.
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“Ending” Roe versus Wade was actually a matter of returning the issue to the people for them to decide and not unelected and unaccountable judges in black robes. I personally support an abortion ban because as a Christian I’m opposed to anything that involves taking the life of an innocent human being. Unfortunately I realize that a lot and perhaps a majority of people don’t see it the same way. That said, if an issue is decided by the people through their elected representatives I can grudgingly accept the outcome even when I don’t like it.
As for Jesus and gays, of course he loves all people unconditionally and wouldn’t turn people away. But he also lays down the condition “Go and commit this sin no more”. People want the loving merciful Jesus but not the one who also rules with justice.
Nah. Just free market economy operating at its most efficient, and without state-based ideological control.State sponsored Christofascism is here at last. Happy Independence Day y'all!
This is economic liberty at its finest. The right for businesses to not be regulated on moral grounds. Why this idea is hard to fathom, especially by a guy referring to the 4th of July, is mind-boggling.
This would be considered a fringe, extremist viewpoint that will never be accepted. I am thankful for that.
Seems like most of you believe that businesses should be permitted to refuse service to anyone they want, including blacks. That would be a return to Jim Crow era laws. Think about how that would work in rural areas - you might have small towns in Kentucky where no black (or Hispanic or gay) person could eat in a restaurant. The free market didn’t correct that back in the 60s. Do you really think it would now?
I’m Christian too, are you saying you expect a gay person to do it once and then stop? Have you completely quit lying, coveting, etc?
I sure haven’t, I try but I have out of wedlock sex as often as possible and will continue too, still lie in certain situations, definitely civet smoke shows that I’m not with, etc.
I personally don’t think that’s what’s important. Rape, murder, theft etc is way worse and no saying Goddamn it is NOT equal to murdering someone. GTFOH with that.
To me it’s like the TSA, yeah he saw that weed pen in your carryon and he’s supposed to say something or take it or whatever but they’re worried about bombs, guns and knives, you know, the real stuff akin to murder, rape, theft, etc.
Cry more, libs…and your ignorance around with this ruling is amazing.
You cannot deny service to someone for being black. Religious views have nothing to do with race. However, you can refuse service if you are a Christian and an atheist comes in and wants you to make a cake celebrating Satan.
You cannot deny service to someone for being black. Religious views have nothing to do with race. However, you can refuse service if you are a Christian and an atheist comes in and wants you to make a cake celebrating Satan.
Boy, I sure hope these store owners also don't sell cakes to anyone who has had sex with someone on their period, because you know, the Bible says that is BAD.
Hateful bigots living life contrary to the bible that they say they are basing their hate on.
Hateful bigots living life contrary to the bible that they say they are basing their hate on.
Oh, they sure could be as long as you find a bible verse that you can twist into it. A bible verse that was likely written by a nobody thousands of years ago.
I too like throwing around blanket statements about entire groups of people, you know, like most lefties say mean old white men do to all minorities but I guess it’s okay when you do it.
Divorce and remarriage is also a grave sin. People seem to pick and choose what they get upset about.
You think that is a fringe viewpoint? I think you are mistaken.
So is anger and like 100+ other sins that no one can actually stick to, just stop. Most everyone who’s been married has been divorced, you can’t take EVERYTHING from 2000 years ago and apply it today, but the main sins are still applicable.
And of course the pick and choose, everyone is different and have different concerns that they relate more to just like in politics. Some may say abortion is their number one concern while someone else says taxes. Don’t be obtuse.
She accidentally referred to HIM as “her” in the last paragraph.
@Ron Mehico why is that extremist? I think businesses should be able to pick and choose, who cares it’s their money and business? If I’m running a charter boat out to sand bars and I tell someone that can’t swim they can’t go which costs me money is that prejudice toward non swimmers or something?
That would work if these were legitimate requests, but they aren't. Its more likely to be radical members of the alphabet community using the law to attack businesses that don't cater to them. They'd probably be happy to wait, then what?
As recently as 1968, Nelson Rockefeller was considered unelectable because of his divorce and re-marriage. (I say "recently" and confess to being old. That was 55 years ago.)
People get all rancorous about ideology and stuff, but I read a fairly convincing argument that what changed people's behavior was technology: a (semi-) reliable birth control pill. Before its introduction in 1962, sexual mores were basically what they'd been from time out of mind. Ten years later, sexual mores became what we have today. There was a novel published in 1972 that I love -- title: Love in the Ruins by Walker Percy -- in which the battle over The Pill was prominent. A lot of the book is prescient and its divisions are still with us, but the fight over The Pill seems as quaint as horse-drawn carts.** Technology not ideology changed the landscape.
I imagine the current rise in trans-sexuality is due to some optimization in the various surgeries and chemicals that attend it. Not a change in morality, but a change in technology.
**There are groups that are still angling to ban The Pill.
I've never met an actual Satanist or even heard of one outside of British TV murder mysteries. It seems to be a camp thing like Goths. Dark clothes, white pancake make-up, and eyeliner.
The Supreme Court is passing legislation now? They really have gone too far!
"White's only" businesses would be committing economic suicide.
This isn't 1956 Montgomery anymore, folks. The idea that "laws hold back the floodtide of moral depravation" is insane thinking. We've socially evolved a lot in 60 years.
Nope because if a white personal can’t swim they’re not coming either and there’s plenty. It’s no different than telling someone that’s obese, sorry we’re not taking you parasailing you weigh too much or you need to pay for two airline seats. Sorry, you made these decisions and these are the repercussions.
This whole scenario would only happen very rarely. Do you all really think there are thousands of business owners that are prejudice? Most business owners are in business to, you know, make money…
Many leftists think there's a hidden army of George Wallaces just waiting to have their moment to spring to action.
She's an embarrassment all the way around. I can't recall if it was her or kjb that cited an article on race from an amicus brief that was an out and out lie.
It's long held that "speech" includes conduct. That's why burning the us flag is protected. Burning that flag isn't something people say, it's something they do.
It's also a complete lie to state this allows for discrimination against anyone. The court was explicit about that. What it actually does is say a customer can't force a business owner to perform a job the business owner doesn't want to do. Until the last few years, this was just common sense. That is until one segment of the population, while screaming tolerance, decided they were going to attack and ruin anyone who didn't completely conform to their desires.
You are picking up that sort of sentiment from this thread? Seriously who is expressing it?
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Can’t get it to not show up like this whatever but below is not what Dore said it’s what I’m replying with including the direct quote below:
I don’t know anyone that does that stuff today and haven’t seen it in a decade plus. I’ve not saying openly racist anything in public in forever maybe two decades and if I heard it I would say something.
You’re SOOOOOOOO out of touch if you think this is normal public behavior or if you think we’d revert back to that.
98% of people you see out are not okay with that behavior.
I’ve been to many small rural towns and still never get that vibe. Also, every town has a Mexican restaurant so they’d be fine lol.
Just relax, you people are blowing every little iota into a HUGE BIGOTRY EVERYWHERE HELLLLLLPPP! Story which it isn’t.
And you realize this ruling means blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQ Could all do the same to whites or whoever as well.
If someone said we don’t serve your kind here I’d say okay cool I’ll spend my money next door. Wouldn’t give one touch.
Did exactly that in Key West when I lived there during Covid.
If a bar said gotta put a mask on to come in. Cool, we’ll take all six of us and go to the bar literally next door and drop a few hundos, your loss.
That’s how that works, bubba.
Not sure which three you speak of. But, you are fixated on divorce. How many times can you ask the same question? I suggest you read all of what Jesus said so you can really have some “gotchas.”
I believe Jesus. I hope you do, but I suspect you don’t and you just think this is some juvenile gotcha. I think John Piper has it right.
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And, there is a difference between unrepentant sin and repentant sin. Do you agree? Because we all sin. The question is whether you repent of that sin and seek the mercy and grace of our Father. If you have no desire for sin to end in your life, you are probably unrepentant. And, that seems to be the crux of your inquiry, whether you know it or not.
Letters from Paul don’t rank as high as the words of Jesus. I guess you place them on the same level or greater.
A man that remarries until he dies would be unrepentant correct? Or does he just have to say sorry? Wouldn’t a gay person be in the same predicament?
Can’t we agree that hardcore Christians seem to be fixated on gay people? This lady would probably not be bothered by doing a wedding webpage for a divorced person. You don’t find that incongruous?
I mean, Jesus pretty clearly has a take on divorce. It is pretty explicit but your type can easily handwave it away.
A man that remarries until he dies would be unrepentant correct? Or does he just have to say sorry? Wouldn’t a gay person be in the same predicament?
Can’t we agree that hardcore Christians seem to be fixated on gay people? This lady would probably not be bothered by doing a wedding webpage for a divorced person. You don’t find that incongruous?
I mean, Jesus pretty clearly has a take on divorce. It is pretty explicit but your type can easily handwave it away.
I wish you were as educated as you believe yourself to be.