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I just don't understand all the beating up on Mitch and some of the players. I read where some posters said Mitch didn't care whether we won or not. That's stupid! He has poured a lot of money into the program with all the upgrades. He wants us to be a winner.
At least 90 percent of the fans were thrilled when Stoops was hired, and I think most of the other 10 percent were thrilled after they saw how good our recruiting was. Sure, he had never been a Head Coach, but a lot of schools hire someone who has not been a Head Coach. Usually their an DC or OC. I believe Georgia just hired Kirby Smart, and I don't believe he has ever been a head coach.
Am I happy with Coach Stoops,NO,and I'm probably not the only one who is not happy with him. Do I want him fired, NO, I still think he deserves 5 years, unless next year is a complete bust.
I don't want to see players like Boom, Baker, Bone and some of the other players who we had great hopes for , transfer. However, I do want them to leave it all on the field. If not, they should get a seat on the bench. Splinters in the butt usually is a pretty good way to get their attention.
Coach Stoops needs to have a game plan before the game, then leave it up to the OC and DC to execute that plan, and keep his mind on the game. His management of the game cost us two wins this year. He made some bad decisions, which most fans would NOT have made.
He cannot punish players for hard hits. That's the officials job, NOT his. I, and most fans love that aggression. Bring it on.
I've watched a lot of football in my 70 plus years, and your right, I probably wear "rose colored glasses," but I believe were on the right track. I'll always be a Cat fan, and pay a lot for my 6 seats (the food was good), and believe next year will be better. My glass is still Half Full.

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My glass remains half full, I will be 67 very soon. Season ticket holder since 1973. I still think Coach Stoops is the real deal. Let's give him the 5 years that I think any coach (Except Joker) deserves when U take over an SEC program with 0 talent. If he hasn't improved substantially in 5 years, fire his ***.
 
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Only been cheering for my cats since 1978.
My dad introduced me to college football when I was 8 years old so not as seasoned as you guys. I do agree with your comments. It's not enough to come close to a bowl again and spend another off season in Louisville listening to this crap. I don't know who's worse, the Card fans or the disgruntled Cat fans. People need to take a deep breath a relax for a minute.
 

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This has to be the Geezer post,and count me in as i am one too.Like you guys i have seen my fill of UK football and the heartache that one endures while rooting for the Cats.I go back to the Blanton Collier days,going to Stoll Field and screaming like a maniac for many ,many games then and all the years that have followed.However.i do have a hard time being lenient with Stoops and his staff.What i have seen these first 3 years of the Stoops regime hasn't been too impressive and reminds me a lot o the John Ray,Bill Curry years.We kept hoping things would get better,but they never did and this old man just don't see it with this group.I hope i'm wrong,but boy a lot of changes has to be made to make me a believer.
 
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This has to be the Geezer post,and count me in as i am one too.Like you guys i have seen my fill of UK football and the heartache that one endures while rooting for the Cats.I go back to the Blanton Collier days,going to Stoll Field and screaming like a maniac for many ,many games then and all the years that have followed.However.i do have a hard time being lenient with Stoops and his staff.What i have seen these first 3 years of the Stoops regime hasn't been too impressive and reminds me a lot o the John Ray,Bill Curry years.We kept hoping things would get better,but they never did and this old man just don't see it with this group.I hope i'm wrong,but boy a lot of changes has to be made to make me a believer.
I'm with you in your thoughts as I've been a fan since Blanton Collier. A neighbor who passed last year at 96 went to UK in the early 1940s. I remember his assessment of football in those years. He looked at me sadly saying, "they weren't any good then either."
 
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The thing to keep in mind is that most of the best players on this team are under class man.
I never once thought we could turn this ship around quickly. I watched Jokers last team and Stoops first, I thought it would take four or five solid recruiting classes. I might be wrong but I truely believe things we be much better next season. This program has been about filling holes in the roster with young guys. Some have preformed and some haven't, plain and simple.
Like my did used to say, If it were easy everyone could do it.

Go Cats
 

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I'm in if this is the old man thread. I think people remember the Curry years wrong. He did not win much, but he did take us to the Peach Bowl. Best bowl we've been in without cheating since the Hall of Fame Bowl. A fumbled interception (yes, that is what happened) is all that kept us from beating a good Clemson team. I really hope Stoops wins here. If he doesn't, I honestly think no one will. He has the facilities that other coaches didn't. I honestly think the problem he has that others didn't is having really talented players. I know that sounds stupid, but he has players that were recruited by big time schools that our previous coaches didn't have. So, kids like Boom Williams and Dorian Baker think they are too good to be coached. There aren't other kids here as good as them. Their parents and friends have told them how good they are since they were 10, so why should they listen to a bunch of coaches at a crap school like Kentucky. I think Stoops will eventually get enough talent that he can run these punks off, but right now its hard to get rid of your more talented players. People will say he has to control his locker room, but he also has to keep his job. People have been calling him to be fired for at least a year. So, he is in a tough spot. No one has won here, so before you judge Stoops, realize how bad we have been forever.
 
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This has to be the Geezer post,and count me in as i am one too.Like you guys i have seen my fill of UK football and the heartache that one endures while rooting for the Cats.I go back to the Blanton Collier days,going to Stoll Field and screaming like a maniac for many ,many games then and all the years that have followed.However.i do have a hard time being lenient with Stoops and his staff.What i have seen these first 3 years of the Stoops regime hasn't been too impressive and reminds me a lot o the John Ray,Bill Curry years.We kept hoping things would get better,but they never did and this old man just don't see it with this group.I hope i'm wrong,but boy a lot of changes has to be made to make me a believer.

With the exception that he recruits a ton better than both and is young enough to learn from his mistakes and become a better coach. Curry was so stuck in his ways it was unbelievable. The one thing we keep doing at UK is trying to find the golden goose. Usually that means a coach who is washed up and has been discarded by a top 10 program (see Richt, Mark). For UK to get to the next level we need someone who can A) Recruit at a different level than anyone else and B) get a staff that can compete at a SEC level. I am not happy with the results this year, but all of our talent are Freshmen, RS Freshmen and Sophomores. Barnhardt takes heat because he see's the process and understands what it takes to get the result. I appreciate the guy for that.
 
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We won't win until we get a defensive front who can get a rush without having to Blitz. Been watching 45 years & can count on hand how many years we could do that.

Stoops has not recruited well on Dline and he will be fired two years from this week. Mark it down
 
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I am 58 myself and have been watching UK football most of my life. I like what the OP says. I too think Stoops should get 5 years. But other posters have made some valid points,such as Stoops has made coaching mistakes that most of us fans would not have. If the rumors about Stoops meddling in the offense are true then that is a big concern for me as well. I try to not look at things through my blue tinted glasses. I try to be a realist, but the thing that has me most concerned is that this team seemed to quit before the end of the season, at least certain players seemed to. My other big concern is that we seem to have gone backwards from last season. But, I still think Stoops needs more time to prove his worth, or to sink and fade. I am hoping for the former.
 

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I am 58 myself and have been watching UK football most of my life. I like what the OP says. I too think Stoops should get 5 years. But other posters have made some valid points,such as Stoops has made coaching mistakes that most of us fans would not have. If the rumors about Stoops meddling in the offense are true then that is a big concern for me as well. I try to not look at things through my blue tinted glasses. I try to be a realist, but the thing that has me most concerned is that this team seemed to quit before the end of the season, at least certain players seemed to. My other big concern is that we seem to have gone backwards from last season. But, I still think Stoops needs more time to prove his worth, or to sink and fade. I am hoping for the former.
There was a significant line drawn on the team between the younger players (Stoops kids) and the kids recruited by Joker. It's not new news but it had a huge impact on the team once we lost to Miss St. The coaches saw it and tried to pull them together but it didn't work. Some of the movement in the off season will be around that and may very well make us a better team. At the least seeing our better classes mature will help.

I disagree with Rolaid on the DL statement. He has recruited well, (Hatcher, Meant, Elam, Johnson, Ware). They are young and need time, it's hard to say they aren't very good when they are playing against Seniors and Juniors as true Sophomores.
 

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Wow lots of hot takes in this thread!!!! :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

Barnhart's under fire because he hired Stoops, and hired Joker, and has been the General Manager if you will over UK football for 13+ seasons of mostly losing uncompetitive play.

D line recruiting might not be upper half of the SEC but in 3 years we have signed more quality defensive tackles than I can ever remember coming to UK in the last 25 years. Hell Brooks best teams would have 1 on the entire team, we would pray that Myron Pryor or Corey Peter would stay healthy for 12 games since there was zero behind them.

not as old as some of you fellers, I guess as the sting of this frustrating failure of a season is lessened with time I'll be excited and happy and optimistic about 2016 and about Stoops. Not enough clock has run off yet though.
 

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Wow lots of hot takes in this thread!!!! :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

Barnhart's under fire because he hired Stoops, and hired Joker, and has been the General Manager if you will over UK football for 13+ seasons of mostly losing uncompetitive play.

D line recruiting might not be upper half of the SEC but in 3 years we have signed more quality defensive tackles than I can ever remember coming to UK in the last 25 years. Hell Brooks best teams would have 1 on the entire team, we would pray that Myron Pryor or Corey Peter would stay healthy for 12 games since there was zero behind them.

not as old as some of you fellers, I guess as the sting of this frustrating failure of a season is lessened with time I'll be excited and happy and optimistic about 2016 and about Stoops. Not enough clock has run off yet though.

JHB4UK, hang in there. If you live long enough, which I hope you do, you'll be like us "old farts", hoping for a winner, and refusing to give up on your CATS. Besides, in life, it's much more enjoyable when your glass is "half full". Just remember, if you still have love ones around you, and your looking at the "Green Side Up", it's going to be a good day. Don't let some A-Hole spoil it.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
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I'm 70,and I'm the one that wandered into the Nutter,and got told to get the eff out by somebody I had several positive conversations with. Obviously as terrible as the season went,that relationship if there was any sure as hell is no more! They're lucky people our age have any interest at all in this joke of a football program,and should consider anybody still a fan,a starry eyed optimist!
 
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I'm with you in your thoughts as I've been a fan since Blanton Collier. A neighbor who passed last year at 96 went to UK in the early 1940s. I remember his assessment of football in those years. He looked at me sadly saying, "they weren't any good then either."
And was he ever correct.I could never understand back in those days how UK could be so bad.I remember how excited i got when Bradshaw was hired,the thin thirty team,and then what a disaster that turned out to be.I wish former players would get on these boards and tell us why the hell UK can't compete consistently in football.
 

yoshukai

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I just don't understand all the beating up on Mitch and some of the players. I read where some posters said Mitch didn't care whether we won or not. That's stupid! He has poured a lot of money into the program with all the upgrades. He wants us to be a winner.
At least 90 percent of the fans were thrilled when Stoops was hired, and I think most of the other 10 percent were thrilled after they saw how good our recruiting was. Sure, he had never been a Head Coach, but a lot of schools hire someone who has not been a Head Coach. Usually their an DC or OC. I believe Georgia just hired Kirby Smart, and I don't believe he has ever been a head coach.
Am I happy with Coach Stoops,NO,and I'm probably not the only one who is not happy with him. Do I want him fired, NO, I still think he deserves 5 years, unless next year is a complete bust.
I don't want to see players like Boom, Baker, Bone and some of the other players who we had great hopes for , transfer. However, I do want them to leave it all on the field. If not, they should get a seat on the bench. Splinters in the butt usually is a pretty good way to get their attention.
Coach Stoops needs to have a game plan before the game, then leave it up to the OC and DC to execute that plan, and keep his mind on the game. His management of the game cost us two wins this year. He made some bad decisions, which most fans would NOT have made.
He cannot punish players for hard hits. That's the officials job, NOT his. I, and most fans love that aggression. Bring it on.
I've watched a lot of football in my 70 plus years, and your right, I probably wear "rose colored glasses," but I believe were on the right track. I'll always be a Cat fan, and pay a lot for my 6 seats (the food was good), and believe next year will be better. My glass is still Half Full.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
I am not convinced we are heading in the right direction but I do think he deserves 5 years . He may have to make some staff changes though . I doubt Brooks would have turned the program around without the Ron Hudson departure .
 

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I just don't understand all the beating up on Mitch and some of the players. I read where some posters said Mitch didn't care whether we won or not. That's stupid! He has poured a lot of money into the program with all the upgrades. He wants us to be a winner.
At least 90 percent of the fans were thrilled when Stoops was hired, and I think most of the other 10 percent were thrilled after they saw how good our recruiting was. Sure, he had never been a Head Coach, but a lot of schools hire someone who has not been a Head Coach. Usually their an DC or OC. I believe Georgia just hired Kirby Smart, and I don't believe he has ever been a head coach.
Am I happy with Coach Stoops,NO,and I'm probably not the only one who is not happy with him. Do I want him fired, NO, I still think he deserves 5 years, unless next year is a complete bust.
I don't want to see players like Boom, Baker, Bone and some of the other players who we had great hopes for , transfer. However, I do want them to leave it all on the field. If not, they should get a seat on the bench. Splinters in the butt usually is a pretty good way to get their attention.
Coach Stoops needs to have a game plan before the game, then leave it up to the OC and DC to execute that plan, and keep his mind on the game. His management of the game cost us two wins this year. He made some bad decisions, which most fans would NOT have made.
He cannot punish players for hard hits. That's the officials job, NOT his. I, and most fans love that aggression. Bring it on.
I've watched a lot of football in my 70 plus years, and your right, I probably wear "rose colored glasses," but I believe were on the right track. I'll always be a Cat fan, and pay a lot for my 6 seats (the food was good), and believe next year will be better. My glass is still Half Full.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
You Sir, are absolutely correct with your analysis..
 

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I'm 70,and I'm the one that wandered into the Nutter,and got told to get the eff out by somebody I had several positive conversations with. Obviously as terrible as the season went,that relationship if there was any sure as hell is no more! They're lucky people our age have any interest at all in this joke of a football program,and should consider anybody still a fan,a starry eyed optimist!
Sorry, I just don't believe someone told you to "get the eff out" unless you were being a complete tool and being way out of line.
 

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He's the Tubby Smith of Athletic Directors. has 1 title to his name but it was built completely by another man. And the rest of his career was a lot of mediocre sadness.

We had Tubby leave..... why not Mitch. What makes him so special? Our football team is the same as it always was, he added nothing good to Men's basketball but did hurt the program bad with BCG hire.... and he got Mitchell who turned lady hoops into a tournament team. Thats basically it. He's done nothing of merit at UK.
 

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It may be hard for you to believe that somebody could be an ******* without provocation,but that's the whole irony and sad response to a run of the mill encounter. That's what made the situation so unbelievable and reflects so poorly on the atmosphere at Nutter! One more time I had met/talked with these people before without incident and will certainly minimize my financial contribution to them after spending several thousand dollars a year since 1973! Good luck to their ticket sales ,I think they'll wish they retained all the fans they could ! Probably the reason UK hasn't had a competitive football program is fans like me had supported it ,whether it was a disaster/joke,pick your adjective ! Pitiful!
 
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He's the Tubby Smith of Athletic Directors. has 1 title to his name but it was built completely by another man. And the rest of his career was a lot of mediocre sadness.

We had Tubby leave..... why not Mitch. What makes him so special? Our football team is the same as it always was, he added nothing good to Men's basketball but did hurt the program bad with BCG hire.... and he got Mitchell who turned lady hoops into a tournament team. Thats basically it. He's done nothing of merit at UK.
What do you think his job description is? How many ADs have 1 title to their name? BTW, he has a lot more than one title to his name, just not in the sports you follow.
 

yoshukai

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He's the Tubby Smith of Athletic Directors. has 1 title to his name but it was built completely by another man. And the rest of his career was a lot of mediocre sadness.

We had Tubby leave..... why not Mitch. What makes him so special? Our football team is the same as it always was, he added nothing good to Men's basketball but did hurt the program bad with BCG hire.... and he got Mitchell who turned lady hoops into a tournament team. Thats basically it. He's done nothing of merit at UK.
It's a pretty big stretch to give him ANY credit for the basketball title considering he wasn't even going to interview Calipari AGAIN and the hire was taken from his hands . I do think he seems to have done a pretty good job raising money to improve football facilities and we would probably have a new basketball arena if not for the powers that be in Frankfort .
 

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Wow lots of hot takes in this thread!!!! :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

Barnhart's under fire because he hired Stoops, and hired Joker, and has been the General Manager if you will over UK football for 13+ seasons of mostly losing uncompetitive play.

D line recruiting might not be upper half of the SEC but in 3 years we have signed more quality defensive tackles than I can ever remember coming to UK in the last 25 years. Hell Brooks best teams would have 1 on the entire team, we would pray that Myron Pryor or Corey Peter would stay healthy for 12 games since there was zero behind them.

not as old as some of you fellers, I guess as the sting of this frustrating failure of a season is lessened with time I'll be excited and happy and optimistic about 2016 and about Stoops. Not enough clock has run off yet though.
I agree with you and rolaid that UK needs to improve in the trenches before tings will improve...but what DL do you see under Stoops that show promise for UK down the road?

- Elam...I'll concede he was a big signing. And I think he is at minimum going to be a solid run stopper up the middle. But he can't rush the passer worth a nickel and he can't do much outside of his place within the guards...i.e...he isn't going to make plays outside of his immediate area.
- Meant/Middleton/Miggins/Bell/Hyde, etc...they look the exact same as prior DL that UK has always had that didn't get much of anything done (Cobble/Rumph/Ukwu, etc)
- As far as pass rushing DE/OLB. Ware/Allen/Hatcher was a big recruit who has been a bust...I don't know if these guys look like the next Bud Dupree. They actually look like the next Taylor Wyndham, DeQuinn Evans, etc..who were again very non descript players for UK.

Let's hope Kobe Smith turns out to be bigtime and sticks with UK. But the rest of the kids look like ho-hum UK recruits of years past.
 

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What do you think his job description is? How many ADs have 1 title to their name? BTW, he has a lot more than one title to his name, just not in the sports you follow.
Honestly though , probably fewer than 2% care about any sports you are referring to . I do think he is pretty good at fundraising , he just shouldn't be allowed to make anymore coaching hires in football and basketball . Just like in Basketball , where a committee led by Mike Pratt hired Calipari , the next football hire , whenever it is , should be the same . Personally I think Derrick Ramsey would be a GREAT choice to spearhead the committee .
 

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Honestly though , probably fewer than 2% care about any sports you are referring to . I do think he is pretty good at fundraising , he just shouldn't be allowed to make anymore coaching hires in football and basketball . Just like in Basketball , where a committee led by Mike Pratt hired Calipari , the next football hire , whenever it is , should be the same . Personally I think Derrick Ramsey would be a GREAT choice to spearhead the committee .
His days of making a major hire in football will all depend on Stoops. If Stoops turns it all around Barny might get one more bite of the apple. If CMS does not improve in a significant way the hiring will be handled by the money boys. If you dont think it doesnt happen ask Mark Richt. It was the boosters that just fired him at GA after he was there for 15 years. Barny lost any chance of hiring the Basketball coach at UK with his BCG fiasco. Go back and look at everything Barny was saying about Cal in the years BEFORE Cal got here. Barny hated him.
 
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My glass remains half full, I will be 67 very soon. Season ticket holder since 1973. I still think Coach Stoops is the real deal. Let's give him the 5 years that I think any coach (Except Joker) deserves when U take over an SEC program with 0 talent. If he hasn't improved substantially in 5 years, fire his ***.
The real deal eh? I just don't see how people come up with these conclusions when the guy hired an entire staff full of inexperienced coaches in their new roles. It's a recipe for disaster that's not going to be fixed because he's going to keep these coaches with no experience because it seems as if he has loyalty issues. There's going to be no changes on the staff, which means we will continue to suck. Gauranteed.
 
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We won't win until we get a defensive front who can get a rush without having to Blitz. Been watching 45 years & can count on hand how many years we could do that.

Stoops has not recruited well on Dline and he will be fired two years from this week. Mark it down
DLine is our weakest position. We have size to hold position, but really lacking in the speed/quickness department. Defense will struggle until we get some speed. Team will struggle unless Stoops learns to manage a game and program.
 

yoshukai

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His days of making a major hire in football will all depend on Stoops. If Stoops turns it all around Barny might get one more bite of the apple. If CMS does not improve in a significant way the hiring will be handled by the money boys. If you dont think it doesnt happen ask Mark Richt. It was the boosters that just fired him at GA after he was there for 15 years. Barny lost any chance of hiring the Basketball coach at UK with his BCG fiasco. Go back and look at everything Barny was saying about Cal in the years BEFORE Cal got here. Barny hated him.
So you're agreeing with me ?
 

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Well the season is over, Mitch can come out of his basement, change out of his jammies, put on his suit and see if he can't do a little more for the money draining sports that we all love so dearly.
 
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yoshukai

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The real deal eh? I just don't see how people come up with these conclusions when the guy hired an entire staff full of inexperienced coaches in their new roles. It's a recipe for disaster that's not going to be fixed because he's going to keep these coaches with no experience because it seems as if he has loyalty issues. There's going to be no changes on the staff, which means we will continue to suck. Gauranteed.
Agreed , at best I'd say the jury is still out .
 

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I think he gets five years and two words make me believe it - Steve Brown. Joker didn't want him but wanted Minter instead, couldn't get rid of him because of the cost of his buyout so we wound up with the Co-DC in titles only while SB was effectlively operating in as DC in title only and helping wil/DBs while Minter was DC. Total cluster that was allowed to exist because of money.

If we choked on that what do you think we're going to do on a HC?

That being said does Eliot and Dawson have buyout provisions in their contracts and if so what are the amounts and how much time and amounts are left in them?
 

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I'd like to give Stoops the benefit of the doubt, but there is so much room for improvement.

What we don't talk much about around here is 1/3 of the game: special teams.

I can't recall the last special teams helped us win a game. I miss the days of Abney and Cobb.
I see us as a non-threat and that area is a huge spark for ny team.

You can clearly tell special teams is very low on the priority list.
 

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Honestly though , probably fewer than 2% care about any sports you are referring to . I do think he is pretty good at fundraising , he just shouldn't be allowed to make anymore coaching hires in football and basketball . Just like in Basketball , where a committee led by Mike Pratt hired Calipari , the next football hire , whenever it is , should be the same . Personally I think Derrick Ramsey would be a GREAT choice to spearhead the committee .
I think Tim Couch had a pretty big role in the process last time. Is Ramsey better than Couch?
 

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His days of making a major hire in football will all depend on Stoops. If Stoops turns it all around Barny might get one more bite of the apple. If CMS does not improve in a significant way the hiring will be handled by the money boys. If you dont think it doesnt happen ask Mark Richt. It was the boosters that just fired him at GA after he was there for 15 years. Barny lost any chance of hiring the Basketball coach at UK with his BCG fiasco. Go back and look at everything Barny was saying about Cal in the years BEFORE Cal got here. Barny hated him.
After 15 years, and he's been on the hot seat every year. So how do you get rid of Stoops now? Richt actually had good teams that didn't win and he stayed there 15 years. Stoops has crappy teams and everyone wants his head after 3. Come on man.
 

yoshukai

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I think Tim Couch had a pretty big role in the process last time. Is Ramsey better than Couch?
I really don't know how Tim Couch would be . I do know Ramsey has held many positions of leadership and I would trust him to be more than just a yes man . I would fine with Tim Couch being on the committee also , along with Dermontti Dawson and Jeff Van Note .
 

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Honestly though , probably fewer than 2% care about any sports you are referring to . I do think he is pretty good at fundraising , he just shouldn't be allowed to make anymore coaching hires in football and basketball . Just like in Basketball , where a committee led by Mike Pratt hired Calipari , the next football hire , whenever it is , should be the same . Personally I think Derrick Ramsey would be a GREAT choice to spearhead the committee .
I just have to LOL at those who try and hold onto this story about how Mike Pratt hired Cal and that Mitch had nothing to do with it.
First, it is common for ADs and all hiring managers to incorporate others into the hiring process. It would be extremely unusual not to seek input from others. Rich Brooks was an adviser to Barnhart in the coaching search that ended up hiring Brooks. Parker Executive Search out of Atlanta was hired to help in the search that ended up with Billy Clyde. Tim Couch among others were involved in the hiring of Stoops.
Second, if Lee Todd didn't trust his AD to make hires, one of the major functions of the job, why would he give that AD a $125,000 raise and a contract extension through 2019?

As for Calipari...wasn't he waiting by the phone waiting for UK to call? So what was Pratt's great feat? His primary involvement was convincing Lee Todd and Sandy Bell that it would be OK to bring Cal to UK. Why was Mike asked to serve in that capacity? Because he personally knew Cal.
 
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I just have to LOL at those who try and hold onto this story about how Mike Pratt hired Cal and that Mitch had nothing to do with it.
First, it is common for ADs and all hiring managers to incorporate others into the hiring process. It would be extremely unusual not to seek input from others. Rich Brooks was an adviser to Barnhart in the coaching search that ended up hiring Brooks. Parker Executive Search out of Atlanta was hired to help in the search that ended up with Billy Clyde. Tim Couch among others were involved in the hiring of Stoops.
Second, if Lee Todd didn't trust his AD to make hires, one of the major functions of the job, why would he give that AD a $125,000 raise and a contract extension through 2019?

As for Calipari...wasn't he waiting by the phone waiting for UK to call? So what was Pratt's great feat? His primary involvement was convincing Lee Todd and Sandy Bell that it would be OK to bring Cal to UK. Why was Mike asked to serve in that capacity? Because he personally knew Cal.
Fuzz is absolutely correct.