SEC DC salaries?

[EngDawg]

Does any body have the salaries of all the DCs in the SEC? I have heard anecdotally that we pay assistants a lot less than our peers, but in the words of W. Edwards Deming: "In God We Trust, Everybody Else Bring Data."

 

[tatedog]

This isn't current, but it gives you an idea. Adjust for 3-4 years of college football inflation, probably around 20-25% or so.

http://work.chron.com/salaries-defensive-coordinators-college-football-9383.html

 

[RocketDawg]

This isn't current, but it gives you an idea. Adjust for 3-4 years of college football inflation, probably around 20-25% or so.

http://work.chron.com/salaries-defensive-coordinators-college-football-9383.html

The article said Manny got over $600K at Texas, and rumor was that he more than doubled his salary when he left us to go there. So he was probably in the $250K range with us 5 years ago.

 

[EngDawg]

If this is ~ correct then it probably has a lot to do with why we can't get a proven decent DC, and lose the occasional young good one that we happen to tumble upon.

 

[8dog]

We are not losing def coord or having difficulty hiring them bc of money.

 

[tatedog]

I think the happiness deficit of assistants with our program is greater than the financial deficit. There are assistants doing a lot more with a lot less all over the country. Croom's leftover defense that Mullen took over with Torbush in 2009 would have taken this team to 8-3 easily.

 

[engie]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Last year's sortable stats. We are not drastically underpaying anymore via any fair metric. It's an outdated point of view that basically shows the author of the viewpoint doesn't know what they are talking about. 2013 was the last year that we drastically underpaid assistants.

 

[EngDawg]

Well Collins was making roughly 18% more than Manny last year so it's not quite the discrepancy I was led to believe, but it is still significant. Now we might have been paying Collins more in 14 than we paid Manny in 15 idk.

 

[aTotal360]

Yup. SS looked too hard at getting "value" instead of biting the bullet and overpaying someone to keep them here.

 

[engie]

Manny made exactly what Collins made here. And he had a 3 year deal with a step-up clause exactly like Collins had(Collins' deal was only for 2 years, but was the first multi-year assistant contract we had ever done as far as I know). So, he would have made up to $700k in year 3 of his initial contract had he stayed, and we would have raised him had the performance merited it. Manny actually had a pretty decent buyout too that I forget the actual numbers on.

Collins signed a 2-year deal after the 2013 season -- paying $575k in year 1 and $625k in year 2. He left for $700k at Florida and joined the $1mil club after his success in his first year there.

We could and would pay $1mil for the right guy IMO. Mullen had the $$ for that last year -- before he went rogue and cheap on Sirmon. After these last two shitshows -- I'm fine with whatever we decide on Sirmon's future. Obviously, we didn't have the personnel for the scheme changes they tried to make -- which some of us were pretty concerned about on the front end. Now none of our guys know wtf they are doing -- and the OL is blocking to the second level constantly. A lot of JUCOs coming to fill those gaps and work in the scheme. I'm a little concerned that we will just be set back even more if we abandon the approach now. But like I say -- I'm fine either way.

 

[engie]

Here is something else to consider -- No one considered either of them "elite" coaches when they were here with us. We didn't pay them as if they were, and they didn't scheme as if they were, and we didn't get the results as if they were. We paid them in line with their perceived actual value.

Now, at their next gigs, they are some of the hottest assistant coaches in the country. Particularly Collins. He's about to get a power 5 head gig, unless I miss my guess..

 

[57stratdawg]

We are losing def coord or having difficulty hiring them bc of money.

Are or aren't?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Last year's sortable stats. We are not drastically underpaying anymore via any fair metric. It's an outdated point of view that basically shows the author of the viewpoint doesn't know what they are talking about. 2013 was the last year that we drastically underpaid assistants.

It's still a big difference. Last year we had 1 guy in the top 140 highest paid assistants. That's terrible.
It's not just the DC, it's OC and the position coaches make scraps compared to the SEC.

 

[8dog]

Arent. My bad

 

[engie]

Our assistant salary pool is top 10 nationally relative to our total revenue. Probably top 5 and possibly #1 or #2 overall. You are grossly misrepresenting perceived staff underpayment. It is a good thing we are only paying our OC $4.2mil though**

And, for that matter -- what coach on staff deserves the raise? We haven't had a coach leave because of money yet in this regime. Several got raises -- but they were leaving for those opportunities even if they hadn't.

 

[Todd4State]

Manny made exactly what Collins made here. And he had a 3 year deal with a step-up clause exactly like Collins had(Collins' deal was only for 2 years, but was the first multi-year assistant contract we had ever done as far as I know). So, he would have made up to $700k in year 3 of his initial contract had he stayed, and we would have raised him had the performance merited it. Manny actually had a pretty decent buyout too that I forget the actual numbers on.

Collins signed a 2-year deal after the 2013 season -- paying $575k in year 1 and $625k in year 2. He left for $700k at Florida and joined the $1mil club after his success in his first year there.

We could and would pay $1mil for the right guy IMO. Mullen had the $$ for that last year -- before he went rogue and cheap on Sirmon. After these last two shitshows -- I'm fine with whatever we decide on Sirmon's future. Obviously, we didn't have the personnel for the scheme changes they tried to make -- which some of us were pretty concerned about on the front end. Now none of our guys know wtf they are doing -- and the OL is blocking to the second level constantly. A lot of JUCOs coming to fill those gaps and work in the scheme. I'm a little concerned that we will just be set back even more if we abandon the approach now. But like I say -- I'm fine either way.

I'm all for paying an elite DC a million dollars. It's interesting- I was looking at Tim DeRuyter's resume and to me he is kind of like a poor man's Charlie Strong at this point. He runs a 3-4 but he used it to turn around Air Force and Texas A&M. I'm pretty sure we could probably land him for that kind of money. Also, the top DC in the Sun Belt is Nate Woody at Appalachain State and he also runs a 3-4. Going after a good DC in the Sun Belt is how we have had the most success with finding a DC during Dan's tenure so maybe we should keep going back to the well. And we could probably get him for far less than a million dollars.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Our assistant salary pool is top 10 nationally relative to our total revenue. Probably top 5 and possibly #1 or #2 overall. You are grossly misrepresenting perceived staff underpayment. It is a good thing we are only paying our OC $4.2mil though**

And, for that matter -- what coach on staff deserves the raise? We haven't had a coach leave because of money yet in this regime. Several got raises -- but they were leaving for those opportunities even if they hadn't.

Nobody deserves a raise currently on staff imo, my point is we need to pay somebody a good chunk of change to come in....instead of 300k or whatever it is for the sirmons of the world.