SEC quality OL is the difference

[Ranchdawg]

Our OL is the worst in the SEC. As a result we struggle to run the ball which makes us one dimensional. Missouri has a quality defense that didn't miss a beat with two players expelled from the game. People love to blame the QB for losses but they aren't the reason for our shameful performances. Time after time their defense rushed throws or had tackles for loss. Our LT accounted for 15 lost yards by reacting to their RE. Undisciplined play and breakdowns at the line of scrimmage has been our downfall. The goal line stand by Missouri and the kicking teams fumble were just embarrassing. What are we doing at practice?

 

[dudehead]

We are 131 out of 136 in sacks allowed..

 

[kired]

What are we doing at practice?

Shapen up the middle?

 

[Doubledawgblitz]

We are 131 out of 136 in sacks allowed..

And we hired an offensive minded coach and which includes the line. He's just not good at his job in any area! But he gets paid well to be horrible at his craft!!

 

[POTUS]

It’s clearly this. And yet didn’t Lebby play O-Line? Shouldn’t that be a strong suit?

can he not identify good blockers or can we not afford good ones?

 

[L4Dawg]

Our OL is the worst in the SEC. As a result we struggle to run the ball which makes us one dimensional. Missouri has a quality defense that didn't miss a beat with two players expelled from the game. People love to blame the QB for losses but they aren't the reason for our shameful performances. Time after time their defense rushed throws or had tackles for loss. Our LT accounted for 15 lost yards by reacting to their RE. Undisciplined play and breakdowns at the line of scrimmage has been our downfall. The goal line stand by Missouri and the kicking teams fumble were just embarrassing. What are we doing at practice?

We are terrible up front on both sides of the ball. That is why we are losing games in the SEC.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

It’s clearly this. And yet didn’t Lebby play O-Line? Shouldn’t that be a strong suit?

can he not identify good blockers or can we not afford good ones?

It's more than just money at this point. You don't let Missouri do that to you all game. We've had a tough schedule but the line just hasn't been good.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

We are terrible up front on both sides of the ball. That is why we are losing games in the SEC.

We just didn't play yesterday. Looked sloppy or defense tackling. Pitiful looking this bad at the end of the year

 

[L4Dawg]

Shapen up the middle?

If you listened to Lebby's excuse on that it was very telling. Those are plays that Shapen makes a read on and he goes where the defense's numbers dictate. We were going where we should have had an advantage, and we were getting stonewalled by inferior numbers. If you can't block. When those inferior numbers stonewall you what do you do? The defense actually has the advantage on other pats of the field.

 

[L4Dawg]

It’s clearly this. And yet didn’t Lebby play O-Line? Shouldn’t that be a strong suit?

can he not identify good blockers or can we not afford good ones?

The latter.

 

[kired]

If you listened to Lebby's excuse on that it was very telling. Those are plays that Shapen makes a read on and he goes where the defense's numbers dictate. We were going where we should have had an advantage, and we were getting stonewalled by inferior numbers. If you can't block. When those inferior numbers stonewall you what do you do? The defense actually has the advantage on other pats of the field.

I most definitely will not listen to anything Lebby has to say. But after seeing shapen average maybe 1 ypc all season there is no reason he should have an option to make a read and run the ball. If he’s lucky he rips off one 5 yard run per game. The rest are wasted plays. It’s like in his head he thinks he’s Nick Fitz but his legs say he’s Will Rogers

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

When you hire the guy that was fired because he had the worst OL in college football as your OL coach, what do you expect?

 

[Dawg Raid]

That’s why you should have at minimum started KT and let him make some lemonade with the lemons we got out there

 

[josebrown]

He’s just not bright enough to know a mobile QB can hide some of those deficiencies. He’s not bright enough. KT1 puts points on the board and has yet to give away any playing behind the same putrid line, but he’s not ready. The guy is a bum. That’s why he can’t recruit for crap too.

 

[ABiggerUglierJoe]

We are terrible up front on both sides of the ball. That is why we are losing games in the SEC.

That and completely unexplainable in-game coaching decisions.

 

[Podgy]

If you listened to Lebby's excuse on that it was very telling. Those are plays that Shapen makes a read on and he goes where the defense's numbers dictate.

When need to teach him to read better. I like phonics.

 

[patdog]

If you listened to Lebby's excuse on that it was very telling. Those are plays that Shapen makes a read on and he goes where the defense's numbers dictate. We were going where we should have had an advantage, and we were getting stonewalled by inferior numbers. If you can't block. When those inferior numbers stonewall you what do you do? The defense actually has the advantage on other pats of the field.

At some point you have to call something besides read option. But Lebby can’t because it’s the only run play he knows.

 

[patdog]

The latter.

It’s the former. And poor coaching. We wasted a lot of money on 2 backup QBs, one that no one has seen since early September.

 

[patdog]

He’s just not bright enough to know a mobile QB can hide some of those deficiencies. He’s not bright enough. KT1 puts points on the board and has yet to give away any playing behind the same putrid line, but he’s not ready. The guy is a bum. That’s why he can’t recruit for crap too.

KT was getting stuffed just like Shapen was.

 

[bulldoghair]

We need to go for better undersized linemen and run a scheme that uses their speed and angles for leverage, something that gets them moving laterally and vertically before the defender can load up. We can easily find these type guys for cheap that have that dog in them that are gritty. They might not be elite pass blockers for a seven step drop every other play but they’ll be in your hip pocket driving your *** sideways on a quick hitter all night.

 

[bulldoghair]

Navy’s Oline average- 6’1” 285
Power 4 Oline average- 6’5” 315

And look at what they did yesterday.

Also, I read something somewhere that I think they actually try to cap their O-linemen at 6’3”.

 

[L4Dawg]

It’s the former. And poor coaching. We wasted a lot of money on 2 backup QBs, one that no one has seen since early September.

We are doing almost a total rebuild. It's still in progress too. We can't afford to do that in a single year and have it be up to SEC standard across the board. I do think they tried to scimp on the lines. I don't know that for a fact, but it does seem that way.

 

[L4Dawg]

KT was getting stuffed just like Shapen was.

Yes, he was.

 

[patdog]

We are doing almost a total rebuild. It's still in progress too. We can't afford to do that in a single year and have it be up to SEC standard across the board. I do think they tried to scimp on the lines. I don't know that for a fact, but it does seem that way.

There’s no such thing as a 3-year rebuild in today’s game.

 

[L4Dawg]

We need to go for better undersized linemen and run a scheme that uses their speed and angles for leverage, something that gets them moving laterally and vertically before the defender can load up. We can easily find these type guys for cheap that have that dog in them that are gritty. They might not be elite pass blockers for a seven step drop every other play but they’ll be in your hip pocket driving your *** sideways on a quick hitter all night.

Not against good defensive lines with size they won't. That's most SEC teams. The thing that we need to all understand is that there really are no shortcuts. If there were you would see more fluidity in the standings year over year. There will be a team flash in every now and then when they catch lightning in a bottle, but for the most part over time it's the usual suspects. You may see more of it now, but that is going to involve spending real money. There are some places that have always had it, but didn't spend it on football. Now that the spending is out in the open you may see some of those rise.

 

[bulldoghair]

Not against good defensive lines with size they won't. That's most SEC teams. The thing that we need to all understand is that there really are no shortcuts. If there were you would see more fluidity in the standings year over year. There will be a team flash in every now and then when they catch lightning in a bottle, but for the most part over time it's the usual suspects. You may see more of it now, but that is going to involve spending real money. There are some places that have always had it, but didn't spend it on football. Now that the spending is out in the open you may see some of those rise.

There’s a lot more Dillon Day types out there is what im saying. Then run a scheme that’s best suited for those type guys. Btw Dillon day was listed coming out of high school at 6’3 270. I’d take him all day over any guy that’s 3 or 4 inches taller, 30-40 pounds bigger, that has just “potential”.

 

[DawgNsuds]

Navy’s Oline average- 6’1” 285
Power 4 Oline average- 6’5” 315

And look at what they did yesterday.

Also, I read something somewhere that I think they actually try to cap their O-linemen at 6’3”.

not disagreeing with your point, just adding that the Midshipmen are also academically gifted and disciplined, they are some of the best of the best

 

[bulldoghair]

not disagreeing with your point, just adding that the Midshipmen are also academically gifted and disciplined, they are some of the best of the best

And none of them were heavily recruited out of high school. There are more of those type guys coming out of high school than there are Kayden Proctors.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

How can you look at a resume like this and not think "elite offensive line genius"

2025-present:
Mississippi State, Offensive Line
2024:
Colorado, Offensive Line
2022-23:
Oklahoma, Offensive Analyst
2020-21:
Ole Miss, Offensive Analyst
2018-19:
UCF, Offensive Assistant

 

[L4Dawg]

And none of them were heavily recruited out of high school. There are more of those type guys coming out of high school than there are Kayden Proctors.

They don't play in the SEC.

 

[bulldoghair]

They don't play in the SEC.

Neither would have Dillon Day if we hadnt given him a chance. Your missing the whole point, but then again because it’s you, you probably don’t and can’t understand what I’m talking about

 

[L4Dawg]

Neither would have Dillon Day if we hadnt given him a chance. Your missing the whole point, but then again because it’s you, you probably don’t and can’t understand what I’m talking about

I understand it perfectly. What you do understand, but don't want to acknowledge, is most guys like that are total misses at the SEC level. You can NOT base your entire recruiting strategy on that. There isn't some miracle strategy to get out of this. There never was really, but pre portal and NIL you could get lucky with a coach that could find and develop real gems in the rough, like Dan Mullen. NOW, that won't work. If you DO find them and develop them, if you don't pay them, they are gone. It's going to take MONEY, and that is the ONLY thing that really matters. We have way more money than we have ever had but relatively speaking in the SEC we are right where we always were on that front. It matters more now too, in a big way.

a P. S. about Mullen: He recruited a LOT better than we ever gave him credit for.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I know Matt Wyatt reads the pack, but can we get him to do a film study video just on how our OL is bad on technique? Like sometimes it's not even a talent issue. They are completely whiffing on defenders running straight at our QB.