SEC Storied: “Wishbone” debuts tonight. State will be featured some in it.

[bulldoghair]

Looks to be a great documentary. It will also tell the story of how this offense rescued and saved three of the biggest programs in college football.
“The Wishbone was a strategy of last resort for three of the greatest programs in college football history,” Executive Producer Keith Dunnavant said in the release. “So, in that sense, you can feel the desperation pulsating through our story.”

 

[Villagedawg]

Looking forward to seeing this. I remember us running it pretty well. And the "Flexbone." Saw some back and forth about how the wishbone would dominate today's defenses. First, that's laughable. People who say that don't realize how strong and fast today's players are. They also don't account for the other team's offense of today which would outscore the wishbone by about 40 a game.

 

[bulldoghair]

Looking forward to seeing this. I remember us running it pretty well. And the "Flexbone." Saw some back and forth about how the wishbone would dominate today's defenses. First, that's laughable. People who say that don't realize how strong and fast today's players are. They also don't account for the other team's offense of today which would outscore the wishbone by about 40 a game.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Odds on "wishbone" becoming the new SPS "bunt"?

 

[patdog]

As if teams don't run option concepts on offense all the time. There's a reason they don't do it out of the wishbone though. If that's all you do you're much too 1-dimensional and today's defenses will eat you alive.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Considering the inventor of the Wishbone formation was our head coach we should be a big part of it. I guess it was old news tho by the time he came here.

 

[Villagedawg]

As if teams don't run option concepts on offense all the time. There's a reason they don't do it out of the wishbone though. If that's all you do you're much too 1-dimensional and today's defenses will eat you alive.

Yep. One of the reasons the "flexbone" was developed. Spread out the defense a little more and get another player out of the box with a TE flexed out wider.

 

[patdog]

Yep. One of the reasons the "flexbone" was developed. Spread out the defense a little more and get another player out of the box with a TE flexed out wider.

I remember when Emory broke the wishbone and we ran the wingbone. Mardye McDole had caught 48 passes in 1978 (which was a lot back then). In Emory's first year, he caught 20. So Emory put him at wingback in the wingbone. He said, "we may not can throw it to him, but we can damn sure hand it off to him." Sure enough, he only caught 19 passes his SR season, but he averaged 7.7 yards on 57 carries rushing.

 

[John Deaux VII]

three of the greatest programs in college football history,

Sounds like we are key feature!**

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Man… This Cross-Culture Collaboration is going too far…

…but I suppose the SEC needed to appeal to the kids and dog owners…

 

[Villagedawg]

I remember when Emory broke the wishbone and we ran the wingbone. Mardye McDole had caught 48 passes in 1978 (which was a lot back then). In Emory's first year, he caught 20. So Emory put him at wingback in the wingbone. He said, "we may not can throw it to him, but we can damn sure hand it off to him." Sure enough, he only caught 19 passes his SR season, but he averaged 7.7 yards on 57 carries rushing.

You know what? You're right. What I was actually referring to about us was the wishbone and the "wingbone." Emory came up with. I remember that too.

 

[bulldoghair]

As if teams don't run option concepts on offense all the time. There's a reason they don't do it out of the wishbone though. If that's all you do you're much too 1-dimensional and today's defenses will eat you alive.

I think Army or Navy would have run through us last year. As did Georgia Tech a few years back.

 

[patdog]

I think Army or Navy would have run through us last year. As did Georgia Tech a few years back.

I think Mississippi College could have run through us last year.

 

[85Bears]

I think Army or Navy would have run through us last year. As did Georgia Tech a few years back.

Yep. That offense still works, service academies don’t get shut down by faster defenses. not Advocating for it, but it would still work well with four and five star talent.

 

[patdog]

Yep. That offense still works, service academies don’t get shut down by faster defenses. not Advocating for it, but it would still work well with four and five star talent.

Army and Navy played 3 games vs ranked teams last year. Scores were 51-10, 49-14 (both Notre Dame) and 35-0 to Tulane. Navy did have a 21-20 win over a 6-7 Oklahoma team in a meaningless bowl game where they had 318 yards of total offense.

 

[85Bears]

Army and Navy played 3 games vs ranked teams last year. Scores were 51-10, 49-14 (both Notre Dame) and 35-0 to Tulane. Navy did have a 21-20 win over a 6-7 Oklahoma team in a meaningless bowl game where they had 318 yards of total offense.

Correct, they were out talented at every position. Have Notre Dame recruit an option team with four and five stars and run it against Army defense and the score would be just as lop sided.

 

[patdog]

Correct, they were out talented at every position. Have Notre Dame recruit an option team with four and five stars and run it against Army defense and the score would be just as lop sided.

Out-talented by Tulane? Again, there's a reason no one runs this offense. And it's not because it works.

 

[John Deaux VII]

Correct, they were out talented at every position. Have Notre Dame recruit an option team with four and five stars and run it against Army defense and the score would be just as lop sided.

With all due respect to our Service Academys, I think State would out talent them too...albeight not as much as Notre Dame.

With that said, I would give anything to hear Jack Cristil eloquently describe the Bulldogs lining up in the Wishbone or "checking two tight-ends into the game" again, but Jack ain't coming back and neither is that style of offense in its purest form.

 

[85Bears]

Out-talented by Tulane? Again, there's a reason no one runs this offense. And it's not because it works.

If you have comparable talent it still works. yes service academies don’t have the talent level of Tulane.

 

[bulldoghair]

Yep. That offense still works, service academies don’t get shut down by faster defenses. not Advocating for it, but it would still work well with four and five star talent.

Army and Navy played 3 games vs ranked teams last year. Scores were 51-10, 49-14 (both Notre Dame) and 35-0 to Tulane. Navy did have a 21-20 win over a 6-7 Oklahoma team in a meaningless bowl game where they had 318 yards of total offense.

Army and Navy have all 1 star players. If any SEC program committed to this system they would most definitely be capable of punching above their weight, and would be a problem for others. Case in point what mid tier Georgia Tech was able to do with it during that coach’s time there.

 

[bulldoghair]

Again, there's a reason no one runs this offense. And it's not because it works.

Boosters. The little fish always want to do whatever the big fish are doing. The boosters usually don’t know **** about football or what direction that’s best for THEIR school to win.

 

[patdog]

Army and Navy have all 1 star players. If any SEC program committed to this system they would most definitely be capable of punching above their weight, and would be a problem for others. Case in point what mid tier Georgia Tech was able to do with it during that coach’s time there.

College football has changed dramatically since Paul Johnson was at GA Tech. Even there, he was only 82-61 overall. Other than 2 seasons he was a.500 coach there. If it would work in the SEC, why has no one had any success with it since Bear Bryant and Pat Dye?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I think Mississippi College could have run through us last year.

Or Madison Central or Petal...

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Out-talented by Tulane? Again, there's a reason no one runs this offense. And it's not because it works.

If this season is a throw away for MSU, maybe we should advocate for SPS coach of the week. Wishbone folks staff one weekend, Air Raid the next, Wingbone the next, Croom Pro Style one weekend, The Stall (wait, save that for basketball season), etc.

ETA: when they announced the coaching staff each week, they can only use SPS monikers

 

[patdog]

If this season is a throw away for MSU, maybe we should advocate for SPS coach of the week. Wishbone folks staff one weekend, Air Raid the next, Wingbone the next, Croom Pro Style one weekend, The Stall (wait, save that for basketball season), etc.

ETA: when they announced the coaching staff each week, they can only use SPS monikers

I'm running single wing my week.

 

[bulldoghair]

College football has changed dramatically since Paul Johnson was at GA Tech. Even there, he was only 82-61 overall. Other than 2 seasons he was a.500 coach there. If it would work in the SEC, why has no one had any success with it since Bear Bryant and Pat Dye?

Because no one has committed to running it. Basically the bottom tier just copies and does whatever the top tier are doing. When you’re the absolute best of the best in talent across the board, basically you can do whatever you want, which is why most of them are more current pro style.

 

[patdog]

Because no one has committed to running it. Basically the bottom tier just copies and does whatever the top tier are doing. When you’re the absolute best of the best in talent across the board, basically you can do whatever you want, which is why most of them are more current pro style.

So why are you right here and every coach who's coached in the SEC for the last 40 years is wrong?

 

[bulldoghair]

So why are you right here and every coach who's coached in the SEC for the last 40 years is wrong?

Boosters and their administration hire the particular coaches they want.

edited- Is someone smarter than me because they have more money? No they just have more influence for sure. Football is not rocket science.

 

[L4Dawg]

I loved the wishbone. When it was run properly with good athletes, it was a high-powered thing of beauty. That being said it wouldn't work any better than any other one-dimensional offense does now. Its time has passed.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

I loved the way we ran the wishbone too, until Bellard lost Bob Tyler's recruits.

If the documentary doesn't feature our game against Bama where Bellard's defense destroyed his Frankenstein Monster, it's totalbullsh!t!

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Ran it with (Honululu) Hawaii Rainbows on Bill Walsh College Football. It was unstoppable, like slow death.

 

[bulldoghair]

I loved the way we ran the wishbone too, until Bellard lost Bob Tyler's recruits.

If the documentary doesn't feature our game against Bama where Bellard's defense destroyed his Frankenstein Monster, it's totalbullsh!t!

They did! Just showed it close to the end. Good stuff!