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mstatefan16

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What are the odds now that not only MSU but ANY other western division foe making it to ATL as long as Saban remains at Alabama for the next few years. As much as I hate to say it, it's going to be hard to beat that program with the talent (money) coming into it after this title game.
 

mstatefan16

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What are the odds now that not only MSU but ANY other western division foe making it to ATL as long as Saban remains at Alabama for the next few years. As much as I hate to say it, it's going to be hard to beat that program with the talent (money) coming into it after this title game.
 

mstatefan16

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What are the odds now that not only MSU but ANY other western division foe making it to ATL as long as Saban remains at Alabama for the next few years. As much as I hate to say it, it's going to be hard to beat that program with the talent (money) coming into it after this title game.
 

Coach34

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they go to LSU, UPig, Tennessee, and SC...and Fla rotates onto the regular season schedule...LSU also has worked their schedule to have the week off to get ready for them like Bammer does for them...Even their home games will be tough with us, Mississippi, and Auburn going to Tuscaloosa with Fla...

And they lose 12 of their top 22 of defense- not to mention Cody equals at least 2 people...
 

patdog

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Bama will be in Atlanta the week after Thanksgiving weekend next year.
 

Todd4State

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I don't think Auburn is going to sit around and let Bama just run roughshod over them every year. If Miles can't beat Bama and if he keeps doing stupid crap, they will eventually fire him and pay for someone good.

The SEC goes in cycles. Florida was dominant during this past cycle, and now it looks like Bama is going to take the baton. And in the West, before it was Bama it was LSU. That's just how things work in today's SEC.

And I hate to say this, but I think Tennessee is going to overtake Florida and Georgia in the East very soon.

As far as MSU, I think it would have to be a situation like 1998 where things worked out for us, or we just happen to have a very special team like we we had in 1980.
 

Coach34

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Bammer goes 6-2 with losses to Tennessee and LSU...could even lose to Fla

Saban is 0-1 vs LSU without the week off before, 2-0 with it in close wins...now LSU has it too- makes a big difference

No Vandy and Kentucky for the Tide in 2010</p>

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8dog

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"Saban is 0-1 vs LSU without the week off before, 2-0 with it in close wins...now LSU has it too- makes a big difference"

Yeah, Saban lost to LSU in 2007 b/c he didn't have an off week. That's it.
 

patdog

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Bama goes 7-1 with a loss to Florida. They won't lose to either Tennessee or LSU. Are you drunk?
 

patdog

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Neither will LSU. Their best hope is for Saban to do what he usually does and leave for another job in a couple of years. And nobody's overtaking Florida in the East in our lifetimes.</p>
 

Coach34

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he beat them in OT in 2008 and then LSU got cheated out of a pick down 6 in the 4th that could have led to the winning TD this past season...its an extremely close 3 games that goes back to Tiger Stadium and now LSU gets 2 weeks to get ready too...

to just dismiss LSU is pretty damn dumb
 

Felonious Junk

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saban will not be able to continue this level of success for another year. he is a great coach, no doubt, but he averaged three losses a year in his time at LSU. that is a stat that is commonly ignored or little known amongst those that have crowned his as the greatest coach of the decade.

and also, open weeks prior to big games are important. florida has had an open week for the last 17 times except for one time that they have played UGA and have won all but the one.</p>
 

8dog

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LSU has played Tulane the week before Bama the last 2 years.

You are putting way too much emphasis on this. Its not like Bama does anything fancy. They play great defense, great special teams, and use a ball control offense that keeps getting better under Mcelroy. Its not the triple option.
 

Coach34

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patdog said:
Bama goes 7-1 with a loss to Florida. They won't lose to either Tennessee or LSU. Are you drunk?

Tennessee held Bammer to 256 yards in T-Town this past season- Tenn returns 8 starters on D, 7 if Berry declares...and 18 of the 22 deep on D...Miles may do dumb ****, but they got 3 QB's, 3 on the OL, and skill people out their ***...Chavis made them much better on D, and that wont drop any in 2010...and 2 weeks to get ready for Bammer...

not to mention they have to go to UPig also..if Mallet stays, that wont be easy, especially with Bammer losing 12 of their top 22 on D
 

Coach34

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to scout LSU's offense for college football's best defensive coach is any kind of advantage? Really? And LSU only gets 1 week to break down their D?

C'mon 8Dog...
 

BCash

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..yea they got hosed out of an INT, but who's to say that an offense that hadn't done **** all game was going to march the field and score on Bama?
 

8dog

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Saban has won 24 consecutive regular season games and only had 2 off weeks in that time.

To act like that's why Bama beat LSU is dumb as hell.

LSU will have some key losses as well b/w Hitt and Black and Lafell and key players in the front 7. The running backs and QBs are very average. They are likely a 5-3, 4-4 type squad next year just like this year.
 

BCash

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..but Bama still ran the table. Does that change your opinion on the matter? The bottom line is, Saban is a great coach bringing in exceptional players every single year. Of course he might mess up and lose a game or two, but I dont see anyone in the west making the kind of year-to-year improvement they are making. And don't trick yourself into believing that Auburn has any say-so in the matter.
 

patdog

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8Dog said:
"Saban is 0-1 vs LSU without the week off before, 2-0 with it in close wins...now LSU has it too- makes a big difference"

Yeah, Saban lost to LSU in 2007 b/c he didn't have an off week. That's it.
Guess Saban should be glad they're not back on the schedule for 2010.
 

Coach34

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Fla didnt
LSU didnt
UPig didnt
Mississippi didnt
Kentucky didnt
SC didnt

How is that "basically every team that Bammer played this season?"
 

Coach34

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to be able to gameplan an extra week as well as rest your guys can be a huge advantage

Bammer is good and coached very well...but their schedule gets tougher next year, and I doubt they go the last half of the season without a holding penalty next year as well...they will probably be 6-2 at best next year in the SEC
 

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mstatefan16 said:
What are the odds now that not only MSU but ANY other western division foe making it to ATL as long as Saban remains at Alabama for the next few years. As much as I hate to say it, it's going to be hard to beat that program with the talent (money) coming into it after this title game.
Give Mullen a chance.
 

mstatefan16

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Off Weeks Help I'm not debating that at all But look at what that team did this year with the QB situation like it was. He was good at QB but they will pull better in a couple of years no doubt in my mind. Now just look at their upcoming recruiting classes, that's what scares me. I'm giving Mullen a chance for sure, but as much as the whole star thing can be disputed in general some of it holds true. So I'm thinking our average 3 star classes are going to have a tough time competing with their avg 4 star class. Not to mention they are returning an undisputed Heisman trophy winner at RB.
 

buckfama245

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you would think alabama could play in the nfl and go undefeated. what the hell is wrong with you people?
 

KurtRambis4

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Why do people continue to bash alabamas offense? It's meant to do two things; hold the ball and kill the clock. You're not gonna see them putting up 600 yds/70 pts a game. It's not designed to do that. It's old fashioned, smashmouth ball. Get serious. Also, to suggest the main reason they beat lsu is because of the buy week is foolish. Newsflash, 'bamA beat lsu bc they're better. Better coached, mainly...shockng, I know.
 

Ol Blue.sixpack

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8Dog said:
Saban has won 24 consecutive regular season games and only had 2 off weeks in that time.

To act like that's why Bama beat LSU is dumb as hell.

LSU will have some key losses as well b/w Hitt and Black and Lafell and key players in the front 7. The running backs and QBs are very average. They are likely a 5-3, 4-4 type squad next year just like this year.

Actually, I think it might be kind of a big deal. Give Less Miles an extra week and there is no telling what kind of dumb **** he comes up with.
 

patdog

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But most of us are smart enough to know that Bama has the best coach in the West and the best tradition in the West. They won't win it every year with Saban, but unless he leaves or somebody else hires an elite coach, they'll win it most years.
 

Todd4State

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I've seen us come out awfully flat a LOT of times after off weeks. Including this year.

So, I think an off week has some advantages and also some disadvantages.
 

pDigital32Dawg

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We will give Mullen the benefit of the doubt since this was his first year and it was a flat out awful schedule to expect to win against. If we come out flat next season after our bye week then I will begin to wonder... **** if we had any form of offense we would have played a much better game against Bama but their defense is flat out nasty.
 

pDigital32Dawg

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Saban is the best, but his competition is harder I believe now than it was at LSU. The coaching staffs at other schools are reeling in top classes right along with him so the talent level isn't going to be much of an advantage for him. It will come down to who is the better coach and I personally think there are a few in the league that are going to begin their run to the top and topple Bama.</p>There are 10 teams tired of the jort wearing mullet gator fans and the trailor trash Bama fans. And Slive can't continue to protect their asses without the rest of the league (and nation) pointing out the ******** going on with the officiating. Saban will be tough to beat but I don't see him creating a dynasty and winning the West and SEC every year.
 

whatever.sixpack

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Does c34 have 3 usernames? Is there anybody else in the world that thinks LSU is even in the same class as Bama?
Bama outgained LSU by 200 yards in that game and averaged two more yards per offensive play, meaning they basically dominated the game although the score didn't show it. And you really think LSU drives 70 yards after the pick for a TD w/ Jarrett Lee playing QB? They got the ball right back after the Bama FG and didn't get a first down.
But all this doesn't even matter, b/c LSU is an 8-4 type program, even if they beat Bama, they'll go on to lose to mediocre teams. The scores against other opponents demonstrated how much better a team and a program Bama is than LSU. Bama is consistently a great team, week in, week out. Their offense will improve next year while LSU's stays the same, and you better believe Saban's D will reload.
Comparative games:
LSU handled by UF by 10 (at night in Baton Rouge)... Bama throttles UF
LSU basically beaten by MSU.... Bama rolls MSU on the road
LSU beaten (and really dominated by OM).... Bama drums OM in Oxford
LSU should've been beaten by Arky.... Bama demoralizes Arky

Edit: typo in original saying LSU outgained Bama
 

rebelrouseri

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he averaged three losses a year in his time at LSU. that is a stat that is commonly ignored or little known amongst those that have crowned his as the greatest coach of the decade.
LSU went 3-8, 4-7, and 9-3 before he got there. He built that team into a monster and would have continued to win if he had stayed. There is a big difference between building a program and taking over one that is already on a very solid foundation.
 

jcdawgman18

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Is the Coach34/LSU Lovefest fark.



/Would have tried to change it to Les Miles, but at work and can't.
 

GloryDawg

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Reasons:
1.If he don't win the National Championship with in that time period those Arrogant Alabamians will run him off. They are paying a lot of money, not to win the SEC but to win the National Championship. If he doesn't deliver they will not continue to pay him that kind of money.
2. I don't think Saban likes being a failure and he was a failure in the NFL. I don't think that will sit well with him over the next few years as he closes in on retirement. If he wins a National Championship and the right job came open in the NFL, he is gone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> It is my understanding that he has a fairly easy way out of his contract if he wants out and there is a reason why.
3. The main reason is: He is in Alabama and lord know how much that has to sux. (!)</p>