Seems like we still are not a rival for TSUN.....
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LSU fans are reading that and laughing their asses off. But in all seriousness, just in the past 2 years, I have truly come to hate Auburn more than any academic institution from here to Bum17, Egypt. So maybe during our irrelevant stages they had to go and find someone else to dislike and they're just holding on to that last bit of it. I do, however, find the stepchild/lil bro comments especially amusing nowadays. Based on what? Ole Miss has trailed us in baseball, basketball, integration, less douchy fans, etc for as long as time. Splitting a series even with us in the worst decade in <span style="font-style: italic;">FOOTBALL</span> history for MSU somehow makes us redheaded stepchildren.
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Beating TSUN should be a given every year like beating KY or Vandy. They would probably say the same
Beating LSU or Bama gives MUCH more satisfaction and that is the point they are making.
Beating LSU or Bama gives MUCH more satisfaction and that is the point they are making.
the argument about us sucking so much the past decade or so and ole miss needing to find a competitive rival, since eli graduated, msu and ole miss are 1 game difference in the W/L columns. don't feel like looking it up now, but i did the math over the summer for a friend saying ole miss had just been so much more successful than msu the last few years.
as for hate, i hate auburn probably more than anyone right now. however, they aren't our "rival".
as for hate, i hate auburn probably more than anyone right now. however, they aren't our "rival".
Being from MS, I like most on here, know several OM fans/grads personally. Many of whom I count as friends. NAFOOM is the only time I hear OM fans claim LSU as their biggest rival. NOBODY I know personally, friend/aquaintance/co-worker, has ever claimed that they consider LSU to be their biggest rival. And most of those go on to tell me they hate State in the way rivals hate each other. I'm baffled.
My theory on why they claim this still stands. If these OM fans could ever get the rest of the college football world to believe that LSU (a true national power) is indeed their biggest rival, then that would give more legitimacy and prominence to Ole Miss on a national level. All this is is a pathetic attempt to boost their self-esteem. And yet, somehow, we're the sad ones with the inferiority complex.
My theory on why they claim this still stands. If these OM fans could ever get the rest of the college football world to believe that LSU (a true national power) is indeed their biggest rival, then that would give more legitimacy and prominence to Ole Miss on a national level. All this is is a pathetic attempt to boost their self-esteem. And yet, somehow, we're the sad ones with the inferiority complex.
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but I hate losing to State more. Does that make sense? I also hate Bama and UT far more than State. I pull for MSU to beat Bama and UT and LSU. For me it's not about rivalries, it's about the douchebaggery of the fans, and UT, LSU and Bama are hard to beat. From 1990 to 2010, the record is 9-12 of OM/LSU. Winning 43% of the games is pretty competitive when they typically have a much better team. That's usually the result of a rivalry game. Talent and records don't always matter.
it depends on where you live; also, OM has a lot of out of state alumni that just don't care about State as much as the instate folks do).
Who do you want to win when State and LSU play each other? If it came down to State or LSU winning the SEC West and going to Atlanta, who wouldyou want to not win the West?
But I expect that's a personal thing. Most of the MSU people I've met I've liked fine, but I've had some really bad experiences with aholes in Baton Rouge. I've got a couple of family members who went to state and like to gloat when Ole Miss is down (which I've never done and never will do to them about State, just don't get a lot out of it personally), which has kind of gotten on my nerves this year and last. I never lived in Mississippi except for when I was in Oxford, though, so I expect every fan's experience is a little different.<div>
</div><div>I would love to see LSU get back to Gerry DiNardo era football. I would also like to see State go back to Croom era football, but that has less to due with spite against State and more with wanting Ole Miss to do well. It's tough to damn near impossible for both programs to be good at the same time.</div>
</div><div>I would love to see LSU get back to Gerry DiNardo era football. I would also like to see State go back to Croom era football, but that has less to due with spite against State and more with wanting Ole Miss to do well. It's tough to damn near impossible for both programs to be good at the same time.</div>
your brethren that I know here in Music City all consider us rivals and have a happy hatred for State. It's not the loathing like the US has on Canada. That group even includes the out-of-state alum. To assume your alum's birthplace has a factor in determining who they consider their rival is. The fact if they go there and see that the game with MSU is such a big game, named the Egg Bowl, and whatnot should give them a clue. But then again...
Well thats brilliant man. Of course I'd rather beat the #1 team in the nation rather than an unranked team. If I had the choice to beat Bama or Ole Miss this year I'd pick Bama based on the national exposure and high profile of the game. That doesn't mean that Bama is my top rival. Ole Miss is definitely our rival, and we are Ole Miss' real rival. Ole Miss people say LSU is because they want to be on their level. You're not. Arkansas and Alabama are both higher on LSU's rival list than Ole Miss.
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Umm, check your facts, Ole Miss was the first school in Mississippi to integrate. 1962, state integrated in 1965. How are we behind you in integration"?
Everybody runs into aholes in Baton Rouge. That's what they are. Don't flatter yourself and think yall are the only ones that they treat like crap. <div>
</div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I would also like to see State go back to Croom era football, but that has less to due with spite against State and more with wanting Ole Miss to do well."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I feel like this quote defines a rivalry. We compete for the same players and our successes and failures fluctuate based on the other's successes/failures.</span></div>
</div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I would also like to see State go back to Croom era football, but that has less to due with spite against State and more with wanting Ole Miss to do well."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I feel like this quote defines a rivalry. We compete for the same players and our successes and failures fluctuate based on the other's successes/failures.</span></div>
How has that rivalry worked for POST Gerry Dinardo??? LSU was a joke before Saban got there. You include 9 years of their sucktitude when they were only beating one team consistently (MSU).
Iowa State would love to have beaten Nebraska all those years they used to play- but it doesnt make them rivals- Iowa is their rival.....<div>LightninInside said:
</div><div>They arent beneath us- just like we arent beneath them- we are rivals...and them trying to fool themselves into thinking otherwise is ridiculous
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I think UM really has two rivals. In state with MSU and accross the line with LSU. I think the in state is much more heated at the moment. You have to understand, LSU has only been a national power since the Saban years. Before that, they were on the same level as UM. And honestly, they have named our rival game the Magnolia bowl because it is a rivalry, and the whole naming was the LSU student body's idea. I do think State is our biggest rival, but LSU is still a rival too. Besides, if were not there rival, who is?
Anyone who grew up in Mississippi is going to have a lot of friends who attended State and Ole Miss. It is fun to the watch other school lose, but for the most part everyone gets along and knows each other. And no matter how much some Ole Miss fans would have you believe otherwise, the average Ole Miss and State fan have a lot in common. The class warfare **** gets blown way out of proportion.
I could easily see how someone who is a fan of Ole Miss or State would cheer for the other school to beat Bama, LSU and etc.
Honestly, I would rather beat LSU, Bama or Auburn any day of the week than beat Ole Miss. Beating Ole Miss is fun and all, but it does nothing to raise the perception of the the program. Arkansas is on a whole 'nother level. I hate them more than any other school in the SEC. I will cheer to Ole Miss against them.
I could easily see how someone who is a fan of Ole Miss or State would cheer for the other school to beat Bama, LSU and etc.
Honestly, I would rather beat LSU, Bama or Auburn any day of the week than beat Ole Miss. Beating Ole Miss is fun and all, but it does nothing to raise the perception of the the program. Arkansas is on a whole 'nother level. I hate them more than any other school in the SEC. I will cheer to Ole Miss against them.
Maybe I've been out of the loop for 20 years but I had never even heard of the LSU/TSUN rivalry until about 6 or 7 years ago....but TSUN fans seem to be treating it like it is an ancient and bitter rivalry spanning eons. I have ALOT of family that are hardcore LSU fans...never miss a game, tailgate at every home game and attend as many away games as possible. I have asked them about this and every one of them has the same response. Whomever they are playing at the time they hate with passion and consider them a rival....doesn't really matter what team it is....it can be La.Tech for all they case.Ican assure you they detest Alabama far, far more than any other team in the SEC but they don't even consider Bama a rival.
You know...the way I see it there is a small contingent of fans trying to create a sense of LSU being their rival but it will never really catch on. I think rivalries just naturally happen and are justified by history....they can't be fabricated. This LSU/TSUN thing feels so fabricated and forced.
You know...the way I see it there is a small contingent of fans trying to create a sense of LSU being their rival but it will never really catch on. I think rivalries just naturally happen and are justified by history....they can't be fabricated. This LSU/TSUN thing feels so fabricated and forced.
But that's because I grew up around a shitload of obnoxious redneck sidewalk Bama fans who have never been to Tuscaloosa, let alone entered a college classroom. I HATE Bama fans. 17ing HATE them.
However, our rival is Ole Miss. That's the countdown clock.That's the must win. If I had to choose between beating Bama andlosing to Ole Miss or beating Ole Miss and losing to Bama, I don't know what I'd choose. Probably beatingOle Miss because I'm around moreOle Miss fans where I live now, but it would be close.I would rather crush Bama's chances of winning another NC than keep Ole Missfrom 5 wins.
Basically, being a fan of an SEC team makes you crazy. You hate every other SEC team, except forVandy because who gives a 17 about Vandy (excpet forOle Miss since they are currently Vandy's bitches). Then, it comes bowl season, and by god, we all 17ing love each other. I tried--TRIED-- to pull against Bama in the NC gameagainst Texas, and I couldn't do it.The SEC! SEC! chant was too much for me. I couldn't even pull againstAuburn and their rented mule last year as much as that pained me. Now I hope every day that the NCAA will "finish" and that **** will get stripped, but I'm still glad they didn't lose it on the field.
There's just something about the SEC.
However, our rival is Ole Miss. That's the countdown clock.That's the must win. If I had to choose between beating Bama andlosing to Ole Miss or beating Ole Miss and losing to Bama, I don't know what I'd choose. Probably beatingOle Miss because I'm around moreOle Miss fans where I live now, but it would be close.I would rather crush Bama's chances of winning another NC than keep Ole Missfrom 5 wins.
Basically, being a fan of an SEC team makes you crazy. You hate every other SEC team, except forVandy because who gives a 17 about Vandy (excpet forOle Miss since they are currently Vandy's bitches). Then, it comes bowl season, and by god, we all 17ing love each other. I tried--TRIED-- to pull against Bama in the NC gameagainst Texas, and I couldn't do it.The SEC! SEC! chant was too much for me. I couldn't even pull againstAuburn and their rented mule last year as much as that pained me. Now I hope every day that the NCAA will "finish" and that **** will get stripped, but I'm still glad they didn't lose it on the field.
There's just something about the SEC.
I'm surrounded by State fans. Some of them are not annoying. Many of them are obnoxious (mainly the ones who didn't even attend State). So anytime you guys win anything I have to hear about it constantly. Like I said on the nafoom thread, rivalries are relative. I'm sure if I lived in Louisiana surrounded by LSU fans I'd have a different point of view.
This is the truth. Many Nafoom posters want to claim that LSU is your biggest rival. And many SPS posters want to claim that LSU-UM isn't really a rivalry. The truth is, LSU-UM is a rivalry game, but it's nowhere near as big a rivalry at MSU-UM is.
They've got pretty big rivalries with Bama, Auburn, and Arkansas too.
If you can't dominate your own state (especially one as small as MS) then how do you expect to even challenge for the SEC title? The only way for MSU or OM to ever have any remote chance at being more than a mid-to-lower level SEC team is for one to more or less control the state. I'm 99% sure that will never totally happen unless one team or the other gets some kind of prolonged seriously serious probation... but at least we are trying.....probably in vain, but at least we are shooting.
Sadly, i think if either team gets too far down, there are enough big booster on both sides that will go all SMU on recruits to nullify any progress on the field. Which I hate right now, but will love if/when the tide turns.
I am pleased with our athletic department's campaign against OM. Is it cheesy?.... **** yeah it is. But, do I find it hilarious and has it united our fan base like I've never seen? Totally. We realize that we don't have any real chance of hanging with the big boys on a consistent basis if we we can't even control our own tiny state.
I say let OM keep their gaze out of state (rivalries, students, recruiting) while we build a strong foundation as the team for Mississippians
LSU most likely really was OM's rival when OM was the only relevant school in MS.... but I don't know for sure cause I'd had to break open a U.S. History book and find the chapter between WWII and Vietnam to confirm it. Maybe some older OM fans from "The Greatest Generation" honestly still consider LSU their rival (cause in their day, it was true) but hearing it from anyone younger than ancient is unrealistic and irrational....yet encouraging to me.
Personally, I think the answers in that thread are just the same weak, tired, and embarrassing ******** that OM fans pull out every so often as if it's a fresh, never-been-used-before line.
Sadly, i think if either team gets too far down, there are enough big booster on both sides that will go all SMU on recruits to nullify any progress on the field. Which I hate right now, but will love if/when the tide turns.
I am pleased with our athletic department's campaign against OM. Is it cheesy?.... **** yeah it is. But, do I find it hilarious and has it united our fan base like I've never seen? Totally. We realize that we don't have any real chance of hanging with the big boys on a consistent basis if we we can't even control our own tiny state.
I say let OM keep their gaze out of state (rivalries, students, recruiting) while we build a strong foundation as the team for Mississippians
LSU most likely really was OM's rival when OM was the only relevant school in MS.... but I don't know for sure cause I'd had to break open a U.S. History book and find the chapter between WWII and Vietnam to confirm it. Maybe some older OM fans from "The Greatest Generation" honestly still consider LSU their rival (cause in their day, it was true) but hearing it from anyone younger than ancient is unrealistic and irrational....yet encouraging to me.
Personally, I think the answers in that thread are just the same weak, tired, and embarrassing ******** that OM fans pull out every so often as if it's a fresh, never-been-used-before line.
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so I could have said that. I could have gone further back, but to me it just seemed like modern football starting in the 90's. Dinardo coached in '99, it's not like football just started in 2000. Going only post-Dinardo is just as cherry-picking. Additionally, Dinardo had 10 and 9 win seasons and only coached for 5 years.
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if we're going by who we enjoy losing, I would rather ND lose than MSU. My roommate in Memphis was a State fan, so obviously I can't hate all of y'all.
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and the egg bowl was a meeting between two top 10 teams for a trip to Atlanta. That would be fun, and good for the state. If we could keep kids from going to Bama and LSU, there would be enough players for us both.
it's gay enough this is a yearly thread on NAFOOM (or sometimes 3-4 times a year) but why here.
who cares if NAFOOM categorizes a rival as who
they "hate" more. I personally use a different definition and I consider Ole Miss our rival even though I would much rather beat LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, UGA, Oklahoma, Texas, etc..etc...etc... and I hate LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Memphis, La Tech, Florida State, Miami and Notre Dame fans infinitely more than Ole Miss fans. Who the 17 cares. Ole Miss fans who try to down-play the "rivalry" are just dumb.. there is really no other response.
Can't wait for this thread again in February. Please Rebel fans Please call me your rival... please!!! it hurts me when you don't...
who cares if NAFOOM categorizes a rival as who
they "hate" more. I personally use a different definition and I consider Ole Miss our rival even though I would much rather beat LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, UGA, Oklahoma, Texas, etc..etc...etc... and I hate LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Memphis, La Tech, Florida State, Miami and Notre Dame fans infinitely more than Ole Miss fans. Who the 17 cares. Ole Miss fans who try to down-play the "rivalry" are just dumb.. there is really no other response.
Can't wait for this thread again in February. Please Rebel fans Please call me your rival... please!!! it hurts me when you don't...
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Not to be arguementative, but a poster by the name of Vampireb from the OM Spirit is the one who initiated all of the Magnolia Bowl/Rivalry thing. He was all over the LSU boards encouraging them to remember old times and pumping up the rivalry. Most of the people on the messagboards were just laughing at him but some of the old timers jumped on board and Vampireb was successful in his mission. That was a long time ago and he continued to try to force the "rivalry" but he eventually quit doing that and the talk of the "long and spirited rivalry" just dissapated. I believe that if Vamp went back over there and pressed the issue, he could get some LSU fans to agree, but is it worth all of the effort? From what I saw, I don't think it was. The fact is that LSU doesn't consider UM to be a rivalry any more than Auburn does. Matter of fact, I would think that they would have a stronger arguement with Auburn or more recently Arkansas.
We really do have a legitimate claim to our Bama rivalry as its is aptly named the battle of hwy 82. We are the closest SEC schools to each other in the entire SEC and have played each other more than we have any other team. That being said, I hope no one goes to the lengths that UM does to force it down their throats.
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