Sellers is coming back. No one has thoughts?

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He's not good enough to pull a Clowney. Belichick said he'd have taken Clowney out of high school if he could have (maybe some hyperbole there, but he was beyond generationally talented). After his sophomore season, he was the hands down #1 pick in the NFL draft barring some kind of cataclysmic injury in his last season. He didn't have to prove anything to anyone his last year. Sellers, on the other hand, has A LOT to prove this year. His play this last season created a lot of question marks. He can't just come in and coast.
If he would have given at any point this past season just ONE indication ON THE FIELD that his focus was to win games for the university of south carolina i would be solidly in his camp. He did not.

I honestly think it would be in his best benefit , and ours, to warm the pine for a game.
 

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If he would have given at any point this past season just ONE indication ON THE FIELD that his focus was to win games for the university of south carolina i would be solidly in his camp. He did not.

I honestly think it would be in his best benefit , and ours, to warm the pine for a game.

I go back to Shula here to maybe explain it. I've seen teams where the players seemed to wear a sense of futility on their faces b/c they knew they were being sent onto the field to run an offense that predetermined to fail. Being sent out to the run same plays to the same result over and over again can wear you down. It's hard asking players to be locked in and give their all when that's the case. Just a hunch/hypothesis. Could be wrong.

If it is correct, we should see a renewed vigor from Lanorris.

Of course, he owns his share of boneheaded mistakes from the season, but I don't know if those collectively would have mattered much in the big picture. I can't say any of our losses were directly attributable to mistakes by him. He's got a lot to clean up in the next 8 months, though.
 

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Is it possible that Gamecock fans’ expectations of LaNorris weren’t realistic? Looking at his 2025 stats, they weren’t terrible compared to the year before; they were very similar.

So, what was the problem? Probably a combination of poor play calling, ineffective offensive execution, sub-par defensive play, inept receiving . . . i.e., poor team play and lackadaisical QB leadership.

However, the coming year has the potential to be different with a new OC, line coach, and running back coach — all experienced and successful. Also, Duckworth could be a key, too. He may provide the necessary competition to make LaNorris excel or be replaced.
 

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Is it possible that Gamecock fans’ expectations of LaNorris weren’t realistic? Looking at his 2025 stats, they weren’t terrible compared to the year before; they were very similar.

So, what was the problem? Probably a combination of poor play calling, ineffective offensive execution, sub-par defensive play, inept receiving . . . i.e., poor team play and lackadaisical QB leadership.

However, the coming year has the potential to be different with a new OC, line coach, and running back coach — all experienced and successful. Also, Duckworth could be a key, too. He may provide the necessary competition to make LaNorris excel or be replaced.
Very excited to see what Duckworth brings to the table
 

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If we are dumb enough to pay him close to $4MM this year, "his people" have probably explained to him that he can't make that much money anywhere else, including the NFL. If he really came back because "he wants to be here", he will take considerably less money. I doubt this is happening.

His passing numbers for both years are almost identical, I think that is about what he is going to do in any given year. His rushing numbers were WAY down this year. I think this is because opposing DCs knew to contain him and take away the miraculous scrambles for big gains he had in year 1. DCs are still going to know to do that.

Unless Briles is some sort of QB whisperer who can make Sellers are much better passer, I think his play will be about like it was this season. Maybe Briles can teach him how to throw the ball away and not take deep sacks or run out of bounds for a loss. Doing those two things will make a lot of difference.
 

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If we are dumb enough to pay him close to $4MM this year, "his people" have probably explained to him that he can't make that much money anywhere else, including the NFL. If he really came back because "he wants to be here", he will take considerably less money. I doubt this is happening.

His passing numbers for both years are almost identical, I think that is about what he is going to do in any given year. His rushing numbers were WAY down this year. I think this is because opposing DCs knew to contain him and take away the miraculous scrambles for big gains he had in year 1. DCs are still going to know to do that.

Unless Briles is some sort of QB whisperer who can make Sellers are much better passer, I think his play will be about like it was this season. Maybe Briles can teach him how to throw the ball away and not take deep sacks or run out of bounds for a loss. Doing those two things will make a lot of difference.
Goodness, I hope we aren't paying him anywhere close to that much. He should be getting less than whatever he got last year.

IF we were paying him that much and if he invests reasonably, he'd be able to retire after leaving here based on his "career" earnings in college.
 
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Goodness, I hope we aren't paying him anywhere close to that much. He should be getting less than whatever he got last year.

IF we were paying him that much and if he invests reasonably, he'd be able to retire after leaving here based on his "career" earnings in college.
SMH . . . unbelievable how easy it is to make money based on the results of playing HS football.
 
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18IsTheMan

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Doesn't seem like it's official. Per Beamer today, details are still being worked out.
 

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Also, just read that his brother plays baseball here. If Sellers is trying to milk this thing, maybe we just say OK no thanks and move on.
That’s what I was thinking, too. . . Sellers may want too much $$$ and he may have overplayed his leverage (or, lack thereof).
 
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Also, just read that his brother plays baseball here. If Sellers is trying to milk this thing, maybe we just say OK no thanks and move on.
I don't think Beamer has a problem with that. Remember that linebacker (I think?) last year who came to Beamer after like 4 games (and a rocky start for us) and told Beamer he thought he should redshirt??? - And Beamer told him it would be best for him to transfer and showed him the door.

On the other hand, this could be entirely different because a LB ain't gonna make or break a coach on the hotseat going into year 6. A QB can. Will Beams have double standards? Possibly. But telling players to walk isn't one of Beamers problems, IMHO. Who knows?
 
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That’s what I was thinking, too. . . Sellers may want too much $$$ and he may have overplayed his leverage (or, lack thereof).

I don't think Beamer has a problem with that. Remember that linebacker (I think?) last year who came to Beamer after like 4 games (and a rocky start for us) and told Beamer he thought he should redshirt??? - And Beamer told him it would be best for him to transfer and showed him the door.

On the other hand, this could be entirely different because a LB ain't gonna make or break a coach on the hotseat going into year 6. A QB can. Will Beams have double standards? Possibly. But telling players to walk isn't one of Beamers problems, IMHO. Who knows?

At the least, if Sellers is dragging this thing out, Beamer and Briles should tell him "Ok, that's fine. Take your time. We're going to start looking at other options as well." Bring Hoover in for a visit.

If Sellers is taking this long to make up his mind, he's playing a money game, so screw him.
 

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60% completion rate is nothing special. Averaging 22.5 yds per game rushing doesn't scare anyone either.

DCs know how to shut him down now. I don't see Briles totally remaking him as a player, which is what is needed. He is an athlete playing QB, like most HS teams do. Unfortunately, college defenses are full of athletes too.
I’ll disagree with one thing, he doesn’t need to be re-made, he needs an offense built around his strengths and one that hides his weaknesses. We were trying to force him to be a drop back passer who can go through 4-5 progressions. That’s not who he is. He needs to be taught to cut the field in half pre-snap, and work one side. we need to find ways to put players in space one on one. Need to play basketball on the football field, force DBs to tackle one on one. You can do that in Briles offense. I am looking forward to it.
 

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I’ll disagree with one thing, he doesn’t need to be re-made, he needs an offense built around his strengths and one that hides his weaknesses. We were trying to force him to be a drop back passer who can go through 4-5 progressions. That’s not who he is. He needs to be taught to cut the field in half pre-snap, and work one side. we need to find ways to put players in space one on one. Need to play basketball on the football field, force DBs to tackle one on one. You can do that in Briles offense. I am looking forward to it.
So, you want Briles to install what is effectively a HS offense. In HS, a great athlete like Sellers is dominant enough physically to make that "one read and then run" offense work. College LBs, DL and safeties are too fast and too good for the HS "everybody go long and I'll run it" offense to work enough for it to be the offense.
 

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I don't think Beamer has a problem with that. Remember that linebacker (I think?) last year who came to Beamer after like 4 games (and a rocky start for us) and told Beamer he thought he should redshirt??? - And Beamer told him it would be best for him to transfer and showed him the door.

On the other hand, this could be entirely different because a LB ain't gonna make or break a coach on the hotseat going into year 6. A QB can. Will Beams have double standards? Possibly. But telling players to walk isn't one of Beamers problems, IMHO. Who knows?
A good QB leaving can make or break a season. Beamer doesn't have that problem with Sellers.
 

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If I were Beamer, I would be much more aggressive in my negotiations with Sellers now. A real QB could make a big difference in the offense.
It would be a boss move to have Hoover in for a visit and walk into the building while they are negotiating with Sellers.
 

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A certain poster I completely trust said his "sources" said the decision isn't until the 15th. So I was taken by surprise.

But I have mixed feelings. Briles has run a run-heavy offense, and a pass-heavy offense, so its hard to say he fits Briles offense.

I am very curious to see what Sellers can do under a different coach.

I hope there is an open competition in the spring. But better to have the option than not.
I'd hope Briles is smart enough to play to our strengths and away from our glaring weaknesses. I'd hope.
 

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If I were Beamer, I would be much more aggressive in my negotiations with Sellers now. A real QB could make a big difference in the offense.
If I were SB, I'd move on from Sellers.

We gave Sellers 12 games to show out. He went 4-8.

We owe him nothing.
 
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If I were SB, I'd move on from Sellers.

We gave Sellers 12 games to show out. He went 4-8.

We owe him nothing.
I've been making that point for months now. Sellers is NOT a good QB. Beamer clinging to him is like an abused wife who stays with the husband who is beating her because she "remembers all the good times".
 

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Beamer clinging to him is like an abused wife who stays with the husband who is beating her because she "remembers all the good times".
I don't think it's that simple. Regardless of NIL, these are still players on schollys that we recruited. We can't just dump them.

I do think SB is learning some valuable lessons that may help him in the long term if he survives as a HC.
 

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If I were SB, I'd move on from Sellers.

We gave Sellers 12 games to show out. He went 4-8.

We owe him nothing.

I've been making that point for months now. Sellers is NOT a good QB. Beamer clinging to him is like an abused wife who stays with the husband who is beating her because she "remembers all the good times".

He is certainly not anywhere near good enough for us to let him string us along in a contract negotiation.
 

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So, you want Briles to install what is effectively a HS offense. In HS, a great athlete like Sellers is dominant enough physically to make that "one read and then run" offense work. College LBs, DL and safeties are too fast and too good for the HS "everybody go long and I'll run it" offense to work enough for it to be the offense.
Let’s get one thing straight out in the open. I’ve forgotten more about calling plays and scheming offense than you’ll ever know. You can’t twist my words by trying to make me spin like a simpleton. When you call a concept based passing play, normally the QB will identify the coverage and work one side of the field. The more recent adjustments have forced teams to go back to true progression reads IE 1,2,3,4 checkdown.
What I am saying since you were too dense to understand it the first time is A. Going through 4 progressions is NOT what Sellers is good at, not what our online is built for and not ideal against most teams we play, given their athletic pass rushing ability.
It does NOt mean what you said, one read and run. It means. Cut the field in half. And have 2-3 reads instead of 4 or 5.
That doesn’t mean you never had full progression passing game. But that you don’t hang your hat on it like Shula tried to.
I want our new OC to do exactly what I did and what he said
He would do “call an offense that plays to the strengths of the players”.

your sad pathetic attempt to minimize that has been thwarted. Thank you sir
 

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Let’s get one thing straight out in the open. I’ve forgotten more about calling plays and scheming offense than you’ll ever know. You can’t twist my words by trying to make me spin like a simpleton. When you call a concept based passing play, normally the QB will identify the coverage and work one side of the field. The more recent adjustments have forced teams to go back to true progression reads IE 1,2,3,4 checkdown.
What I am saying since you were too dense to understand it the first time is A. Going through 4 progressions is NOT what Sellers is good at, not what our online is built for and not ideal against most teams we play, given their athletic pass rushing ability.
It does NOt mean what you said, one read and run. It means. Cut the field in half. And have 2-3 reads instead of 4 or 5.
That doesn’t mean you never had full progression passing game. But that you don’t hang your hat on it like Shula tried to.
I want our new OC to do exactly what I did and what he said
He would do “call an offense that plays to the strengths of the players”.

your sad pathetic attempt to minimize that has been thwarted. Thank you sir


Incoming.

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Let’s get one thing straight out in the open. I’ve forgotten more about calling plays and scheming offense than you’ll ever know. You can’t twist my words by trying to make me spin like a simpleton. When you call a concept based passing play, normally the QB will identify the coverage and work one side of the field. The more recent adjustments have forced teams to go back to true progression reads IE 1,2,3,4 checkdown.
What I am saying since you were too dense to understand it the first time is A. Going through 4 progressions is NOT what Sellers is good at, not what our online is built for and not ideal against most teams we play, given their athletic pass rushing ability.
It does NOt mean what you said, one read and run. It means. Cut the field in half. And have 2-3 reads instead of 4 or 5.
That doesn’t mean you never had full progression passing game. But that you don’t hang your hat on it like Shula tried to.
I want our new OC to do exactly what I did and what he said
He would do “call an offense that plays to the strengths of the players”.

your sad pathetic attempt to minimize that has been thwarted. Thank you sir
The KISS method you mentioned makes perfect sense. Success is more likely.
 
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If he would have given at any point this past season just ONE indication ON THE FIELD that his focus was to win games for the university of south carolina i would be solidly in his camp. He did not.

I honestly think it would be in his best benefit , and ours, to warm the pine for a game.
JMO, but while he has the ability, I don't think he has what it takes between the ears and in his chest. I also think Briles will not put up with his poor performance next year.