Sellers lack of development

[HI Cock1]

He doesn’t strike me as an uncoachable kid. I said at the end of last year that his development would make or break Beamer’s and Shula’s tenures and careers.
I think what we saw tonight clearly showed that Beamer has failed as a CEO coach and Shula has failed as an OC, installed by Beamer.
Kiffin coached up a D2 QB to totally outplay our pre-season Heisman QB. That’s all we really need to know.

 

[USCALUMNI]

How can you develop a QB when the kid runs for his life 75% of the time as soon as the ball is snapped? I know that Beamer knows he need a good O-line to be successful in this league, but how in the world has the O-line been so bad since he has been head coach? I do not ever remember the Gamecocks having a dominate O-line ever. GO COCKS

USCALUMNI

 

[Forkcock]

He doesn’t strike me as an uncoachable kid. I said at the end of the d of last year that his development would make or break Beamer’s and Shula’s tenures and careers.
I think what we saw tonight clearly showed that Beamer has failed as a CEO coach and Shula has failed as an OC, installed by Beamer.
Kiffin coached up a D2 QB to totally outplay our pre-season Heisman QB. That’s all we really need to know.

Hard to argue with that. His accuracy is not good. He can't see the field and takes some ridiculous sacks, rather than throwing the ball out of bounds.

 

[rockingamecock]

and sacked 6 times last night!

 

[PeeCock78]

How can you develop a QB when the kid runs for his life 75% of the time as soon as the ball is snapped? I know that Beamer knows he need a good O-line to be successful in this league, but how in the world has the O-line been so bad since he has been head coach? I do not ever remember the Gamecocks having a dominate O-line ever. GO COCKS

USCALUMNI

1984 . . . with a little help from steroids.

 

[Lurker123]

Just FYI, through 9 games.


1,356. Yards. (150.7 per game)

6. TD's

3. INT's

Maybe we should revisit those threads about Sellers and "needing to improve".

 

[Skuddy]

1984 . . . with a little help from steroids.

1979 and 1980 were pretty good. Other than that, I can't think of a time we had a dominant OL. Under Beamer they have been the worst in history and probably with the best talent. Somehow our 4 and 5 star talent has become 2 star.

 

[HI Cock1]

How can you develop a QB when the kid runs for his life 75% of the time as soon as the ball is snapped? I know that Beamer knows he need a good O-line to be successful in this league, but how in the world has the O-line been so bad since he has been head coach? I do not ever remember the Gamecocks having a dominate O-line ever. GO COCKS

USCALUMNI

Exactly the big part of the problem. There are plenty of teams that have smaller, less-dominant O-lines that still have good offenses... and that's all we really need is a good offense, not a great one. Our defense is pretty darn good and so is our special teams (except maybe our fg kicker).

So, the real problem is not the OL, it's the OC who can't figure out how to work with what he's got. Including Sellers.

 

[bayrooster]

Hard to argue with that. His accuracy is not good. He can't see the field and takes some ridiculous sacks, rather than throwing the ball out of bounds.

Maybe he can't see the sidelines so good either.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Hard to argue with that. His accuracy is not good. He can't see the field and takes some ridiculous sacks, rather than throwing the ball out of bounds.

Maybe his IQ is in 85 territory and he's doing the best he can with what God gave him?

 

[Lurker123]

Maybe he should go back to the goggles?

 

[Skuddy]

Maybe his IQ is in 85 territory and he's doing the best he can with what God gave him?

You can look at the guy and tell it is higher than 85. Watch how he acts and what he says and he is probably in the 110 range......which is pretty smart.

I think he is trying to do too much and has zero confidence in his OL or OC.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

You can look at the guy and tell it is higher than 85. Watch how he acts and what he says and he is probably in the 110 range......which is pretty smart.

Most people (about 68%) have an IQ score that falls within one standard deviation of the mean, generally considered to be the range of 85 to 115. So 110 would be considered average. Not "pretty smart". And certainly not pretty smart for a quarterback.

 

[Skuddy]

Most people (about 68%) have an IQ score that falls within one standard deviation of the mean, generally considered to be the range of 85 to 115. So 110 would be considered average. Not "pretty smart". And certainly not pretty smart for a quarterback.

110 is my guess since he can't figure out where to slide for the first down or to throw the ball away. I am absolutely positive it is a lot closer than your guess of 85. Also, 110 is high average which I consider pretty smart against the backdrop of what I deal with on the daily.

Pretty smart in my book doesn't mean above average.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

110 is my guess since he can't figure out where to slide for the first down or to throw the ball away. I am absolutely positive it is a lot closer than your guess of 85. Also, 110 is high average which I consider pretty smart against the backdrop of what I deal with on the daily.

Pretty smart in my book doesn't mean above average.

My book is a little different. To me average is pretty stupid. Yet average is smarter than half the population. There's a lot of stupid people that think they're smart and smart people are stupid. Especially here in Greenwood.

 

[SMLUSC]

Maybe his IQ is in 85 territory and he's doing the best he can with what God gave him?

I taught the kid. He’s HIGHLY intelligent—gifted, in fact. This statement, whether meant to be funny or not, is ignorant at best. I can assure you he’s one of the smartest young men on the field any given Saturday. We have a highly intelligent and obviously LOYAL young man at QB playing in a time full of selfish, money-seeking boys…if his achievements aren’t matching his aptitude—that’s on the coaches. I can assure you no one is harder on him than he is himself and NO ONE works harder!

 

[SMLUSC]

You can look at the guy and tell it is higher than 85. Watch how he acts and what he says and he is probably in the 110 range......which is pretty smart.

I think he is trying to do too much and has zero confidence in his OL or OC.

He was identified in SC as gifted and talented. The correlation to iq scores for the test used to identify students in SC is a minimum iq score of 129-130. Minimum. His intelligence, work ethic, and athleticism ARE NOT the problem!

 

[SMLUSC]

He didn’t have a good game. He’s human. Look at his body of work under Loggains. Without him last year, there are quite a few Ws that would’ve been Ls—Clemson game is a perfect example.

 

[Skuddy]

He was identified in SC as gifted and talented. The correlation to iq scores for the test used to identify students in SC is a minimum iq score of 129-130. Minimum. His intelligence, work ethic, and athleticism ARE NOT the problem!

That may be what the test is supposed to correlate to but more goes into "gifted and talented" choice than the test. Some don't do all that well on the test but are chosen anyway and vice versa. For all I know, he is at 129-130 but 110 was my "guess" but just because he was identified as "gifted and talented" doesn't mean he is at 129 or 130 either.

 

[Skuddy]

He didn’t have a good game. He’s human. Look at his body of work under Loggains. Without him last year, there are quite a few Ws that would’ve been Ls—Clemson game is a perfect example.

He hasn't had a good year. Most people think Shula is the culprit, especially if you watched the bowl game.

 

[kidrobinski]

Sellers looks like someone who’s feeling the weight of expectations on his shoulders. He also looks like someone who came into the sport late and excelled by his athleticism; football and other sports at their core are fun games and a lot is learned at a young age by playing them, and I refer more to neighborhood/ friends type games than recreation or peewee league. Sellers has athleticism to spare but doesn’t look to have a ton of experience or insight in the game at qb, hence the deer in headlight look lately. Couple that with the pedestrian at best pass designs we employ, and he would definitely benefit from a dedicated shaman which he doesn’t appear to have been getting.

 

[Skuddy]

Sellers looks like someone who’s feeling the weight of expectations on his shoulders. He also looks like someone who came into the sport late and excelled by his athleticism; football and other sports at their core are fun games and a lot is learned at a young age by playing them, and I refer more to neighborhood/ friends type games than recreation or peewee league. Sellers has athleticism to spare but doesn’t look to have a ton of experience or insight in the game at qb, hence the deer in headlight look lately. Couple that with the pedestrian at best pass designs we employ, and he would definitely benefit from a dedicated shaman which he doesn’t appear to have been getting.

I think this is spot on.

I have a daughter who started playing tennis before she could see over the net. She went on to have an excellent college career and now teaches tennis. Over the years, I have watched a lot of tennis and I can almost always tell when someone has learned how to play later in life than earlier. Although their game may be good, it's just how their swing looks and how they position their selves to the ball is a bit "off"

 

[ScWildthing61]

How can you develop a QB when the kid runs for his life 75% of the time as soon as the ball is snapped? I know that Beamer knows he need a good O-line to be successful in this league, but how in the world has the O-line been so bad since he has been head coach? I do not ever remember the Gamecocks having a dominate O-line ever. GO COCKS

USCALUMNI

The only season in my football watching life I remember us having a good O-line(the kind of line I'd put the game in the hand of) was that group in 2001(Travelle Wharton, Cedric Williams, Larrell Johnson, Shane Hall, Melvin Paige) but even they had games where they struggled.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Maybe he should go back to the goggles?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

He was identified in SC as gifted and talented. The correlation to iq scores for the test used to identify students in SC is a minimum iq score of 129-130. Minimum. His intelligence, work ethic, and athleticism ARE NOT the problem!

I did use maybe and a question mark and never mentioned his work ethic so kind of a mystery where that came from. I've never met him. From what I've seen he processes information slowly, especially for a quarterback.

 

[Cherokee Cock]

Some people do not handle praise very well. You have to keep telling them they're no good.In order for them to perform at a high level. If you keep praising them for whatever reason, they slack off.

 

[SMLUSC]

That may be what the test is supposed to correlate to but more goes into "gifted and talented" choice than the test. Some don't do all that well on the test but are chosen anyway and vice versa. For all I know, he is at 129-130 but 110 was my "guess" but just because he was identified as "gifted and talented" doesn't mean he is at 129 or 130 either.

Incorrect. There is nothing subjective in South Carolina about GT identification. We are one of the few states that take all subjectivity out of the identification process. He’s gifted. His iq is a minimum of 129. Again, I taught the kid!

 

[CockofEarle…]

How can you develop a QB when the kid runs for his life 75% of the time as soon as the ball is snapped? I know that Beamer knows he need a good O-line to be successful in this league, but how in the world has the O-line been so bad since he has been head coach? I do not ever remember the Gamecocks having a dominate O-line ever. GO COCKS

USCALUMNI

It’s about as bad as Petty’s soph yr.

 

[RPhCock]

He doesn’t strike me as an uncoachable kid. I said at the end of last year that his development would make or break Beamer’s and Shula’s tenures and careers.
I think what we saw tonight clearly showed that Beamer has failed as a CEO coach and Shula has failed as an OC, installed by Beamer.
Kiffin coached up a D2 QB to totally outplay our pre-season Heisman QB. That’s all we really need to know.

That performance at the bowl game should have raised all sorts of red flags as well with Shula's game planning.