Serious NCAA question about Sandusky

[FlabLoser]

Where the hell is the NCAA in all this?

It would make sense to me if the were standing back to observe the trial for fact finding purposes. But that thinking appears optimistic, as the media isn't talking about the NCAA.

The NCAA must take action. They have to. A 17ing AD was an enabler to a child molester. He might have even actively covered it up. If they don't do something, they are just as guilty as the AD.

 

[MaleBovineK9]

Maybe a little? The only people who knew he was anal raping 10 yr old boys were himself(defensive coordinator), an assistant coach, a janitor, the head coach, the AD, a few asst AD's, and the university president. It's not like everybody knew.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

They'd self impose a death penalty and gut their entire athletic department. The culture up there is just sickening -- most Paterno cultistsPSU fansactually think it's all over and everything's right again.

 

[jakldawg]

and he gave them a t-shirt or a roster spot, they'd be all over it. But since it's just molestation of some random underprivileged youths, by someone WHO JUST HAPPENS to have free reign of the athletic facilities, they're not interested.

 

[drt7891]

What is the NCAA really supposed to do? I'd expect them to do nothing more than make a public statement and hand everything to the authorities by saying they will do everything they can do to cooperate. The NCAA enforces THEIR rules (about recruiting, practicing, coaching, player behavior, etc.), but to be honest, this is way outside the NCAA's jurisdiction. If PSU wants to self impose penalties, so be it, but I don't expect the NCAA to do anything because what are they supposed to do? This is FAR beyond athletics... and just because it deals with people in the athletic department doesn't all of a sudden make this the NCAA's problem to deal with. The FBI and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will make sure justice is served.

 

[gravedigger]

to make sure that coaches, and their activities with a university athletics program are not used as a spider web to catch young children and abuse them.

What I am getting at are SERIOUS checks and balances about the ability for one adult to be alone with kids in camps. If a university is going to use its facilites for the purpose of training kids to do things, the NCAA has an obligation to participate in making sure they have limitations on what can and cannot be done.

Hell, they have an opinion on how many phone calls recruiters can make and visits. Seems like this might be a pretty easy regulation.

 

[patdog]

I didn't think there was anything the NCAA could do about it. But someobody on this site did the research and found the rule that clearly says they can find them guilty of lack of institutional control.

 

[drt7891]

to make statements and rulings. However, for the time being, I don't blame them at all for keeping their hands off of this. This isn't Cam Newton getting paid behind the scenes to go to school somewhere... this is a sick man and a predator that used his status at Penn State to take advantage of kids. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't blame the NCAA for taking a seat on the sidelines while this gets hashed out in court (where it should be hashed out). Once the facts are squared away and sentencing is over, then perhaps we will see the NCAA step in with preventive measures, but I don't know about punishments. Penn State and its former leadership is about to get hammered with civil suits that will hurt a lot worse than a bowl ban or probation ever could.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

What is the NCAA really supposed to do? I'd expect them to do nothing more than make a public statement and hand everything to the authorities by saying they will do everything they can do to cooperate. The NCAA enforces THEIR rules (about recruiting, practicing, coaching, player behavior, etc.), but to be honest, this is way outside the NCAA's jurisdiction. If PSU wants to self impose penalties, so be it, but I don't expect the NCAA to do anything because what are they supposed to do? This is FAR beyond athletics... and just because it deals with people in the athletic department doesn't all of a sudden make this the NCAA's problem to deal with. The FBI and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will make sure justice is served.

this is what i came to say. the ncaa enforces rules regarding recruiting and payment of athletes, not a former coach being convicted for child molestation. this had nothing to do with the players at all and would only serve to satisfy some desire for the public to see more punishment to the name penn st, but in reality not really punishing anyone involved. the current players, coaches, administration, etc. weren't involved. the men who were involved are going to jail. paterno's legacy was destroyed. mcquery will be lucky to be coaching pop warner football.

 

[Sauron]

even after a massive university led cover up.

Billboard goes up in a rival's hometown: Snippy letter get sent.

makes sense.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

...this is way outside the NCAA's jurisdiction... This is FAR beyond athletics... and just because it deals with people in the athletic department doesn't all of a sudden make this the NCAA's problem to deal with. The FBI and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will make sure justice is served.

The issue of the Confederate flag is well beyond the NCAA's jurisdiction. The State of Mississippi voted on it and chose to keep the flag. Yet the NCAA chooses to punish schools and athletic departments in the state of Mississippi for things they have no control over.<div>
</div><div>Yet people in Penn State's athletic department and university as a whole knew something heinous was going on and did nothing. And this something was performed by an athletic department employee and happened inside athletic department facilities.</div>

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

Where the hell is the NCAA in all this?

It would make sense to me if the were standing back to observe the trial for fact finding purposes. But that thinking appears optimistic, as the media isn't talking about the NCAA.

The NCAA must take action. They have to. A 17ing AD was an enabler to a child molester. He might have even actively covered it up. If they don't do something, they are just as guilty as the AD.

You ever heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question. Well that's not true. <div>
</div><div>Sometimes you look stupid for trying to create and angle to an issue where there is none. Like you tried to do here.</div><div>
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[smootness]

This has literally nothing to do with the NCAA.<div>
</div><div>I mean, if a college football coach killed someone, you would expect the NCAA to step in and do something about that?</div><div>
</div><div>This is not within their jurisdiction, and anyone looking for them to bring the hammer down is simply hoping Penn State's football program suffers. There are bigger priorities here, much bigger.</div><div>
</div><div>The NCAA serves a purpose, but stopping serious crimes from happening is not it. That responsibility falls on the individuals and institutions involved, as with any other crimes.</div>

 

[FlabLoser]

The NCAA could enforce lack of institutional control and some other broad-ranging umbrella rules that they have.

 

[FlabLoser]

This has literally nothing to do with the NCAA.<div>
</div><div>I mean, if a college football coach killed someone, you would expect the NCAA to step in and do something about that?</div><div>
</div><div>This is not within their jurisdiction, and anyone looking for them to bring the hammer down is simply hoping Penn State's football program suffers. There are bigger priorities here, much bigger.</div><div>
</div><div>The NCAA serves a purpose, but stopping serious crimes from happening is not it. That responsibility falls on the individuals and institutions involved, as with any other crimes.</div>

If the AD knew he had a football coach that was killing people and he chose to ignore it, then yes I expect the NCAA to do something. As well as criminal law enforcement authorities.

 

[FlabLoser]

Where the hell is the NCAA in all this?



It would make sense to me if the were standing back to observe the trial for fact finding purposes. But that thinking appears optimistic, as the media isn't talking about the NCAA.



The NCAA must take action. They have to. A 17ing AD was an enabler to a child molester. He might have even actively covered it up. If they don't do something, they are just as guilty as the AD.

You ever heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question. Well that's not true. <div>
</div><div>Sometimes you look stupid for trying to create and angle to an issue where there is none. Like you tried to do here.</div><div>
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And you look stupid for saying someone else is stupid for raising a point which turns out to be pretty damn valid.

Exhibit A, the NCAA's letter to PSU stating that PSU is under investigation for lack of institutional control pertaining to Sandusky.

https://docs.google.com/v...d=true&chrome=true&pli=1

Suck it.

 

[FlabLoser]

http://www.sbnation.com/n...stigation-jerry-sandusky

https://docs.google.com/v...d=true&chrome=true&pli=1

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

Where the hell is the NCAA in all this?



It would make sense to me if the were standing back to observe the trial for fact finding purposes. But that thinking appears optimistic, as the media isn't talking about the NCAA.



The NCAA must take action. They have to. A 17ing AD was an enabler to a child molester. He might have even actively covered it up. If they don't do something, they are just as guilty as the AD.

You ever heard that there's no such thing as a dumb question. Well that's not true. <div>
</div><div>Sometimes you look stupid for trying to create and angle to an issue where there is none. Like you tried to do here.</div><div>
</div><div>
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And you look stupid for saying someone else is stupid for raising a point which turns out to be pretty damn valid.

Exhibit A, the NCAA's letter to PSU stating that PSU is under investigation for lack of institutional control pertaining to Sandusky.

https://docs.google.com/v...d=true&chrome=true&pli=1

Suck it.

So you asked a question you knew the answer to? Even dumber.
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</div><div>And suck it? What are you, 12?

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[drt7891]

I still think it's situationally apples to oranges.<div>
</div><div>It does make you wonder if this were MSU instead of Penn State in this situation, would the NCAA stay out of it like they have, though... Maybe we are better off not knowing the answer to that.</div><div>
</div><div>Edited to amend my post based on Flab's recent statement.</div>

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...discount on clothes (same thing other students have), etc. means serious penalties, forfeit of games, probations, etc. Assistant coach raping little boys with full knowledge of head coach, athletic director, assistant coaches, and probably half the fan base, meh.<div id="isChromeWebToolbarDiv" style="display:none"></div> <div>

</div><div>The sons of bitches are like the locals around Nazi Concentration Camps after world war II-"I deedn't know they's was gassing Jews."</div>

 

[goodknight]

The guy suddenly retires from PSU when he's supposedly the top assistant in the country for no apparent reason. Funny how nobody else came calling if he was such a great coach. Think on that for a while!